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LAPD Chief Discusses Investigation Of Corvette Driver Killed By Police
CBSLA.com) ^ | December 16, 2013 7:27 PM | Dave Lopez

Posted on 12/16/2013 9:14:42 PM PST by BenLurkin

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To: bramps

Where does it say he was drunk? Did I miss that part, or did you make it up?

If either of the two he hit had died, they would have made CERTAIN we heard about it, as they would have if they found a weapon on his corpse.

The instant he got out of the car he was disarmed. Granted, they might reasonably suspect he had a weapon, but his actions were not to attack them, but to turn away.

Then they shot him in the back.

Multiple times, by multiple assailants in a feeding frenzy of testosterone, steroids and adrenaline.

Not the department’s highest point, but arguable higher than shooting a couple hundred rounds at two newspaper delivery ladies in a truck that didn’t even vaguely match the suspect’s truck’s description and barely managing to injure one.

More range time does help...


61 posted on 12/16/2013 10:55:21 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: bramps
hey, I was just ‘rebutting’.

Nicely played!

62 posted on 12/16/2013 10:57:30 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: bramps
Talk about getting desperate:

Maybe you should review your posts on this thread, rather deserately trying to bolster your statist POV.

WHERE did he not run a red light? That changes everything!

63 posted on 12/16/2013 11:03:53 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: JohnnyP

Foot pursuit? My hairy purple @$$.

Every other time I have seen police stop a car, one cop car is in front of the stopped vehicle, one is in back. Here the would need one down each street at the intersection, and they would catch him as he ran to them. Even in my podunk town they do this from their training. There is no need for any pursuit with that simple tactic.

Instead, all of the cop cars stop behind the Corvette, effectively blocking any other car from getting in front of him.

This is really convenient for the shooters, because there are no cops in front of the Corvette driver who would be in the field of fire when they shoot him.

This may be pre-planned, premeditated murder. I wonder how many tape recordings of the police radios during the chase are going to have to disappear so that never comes to light?

Instead of a failure to hear that one of the cops was shooting a bean bag round, what if there never was a bean bag round?


64 posted on 12/16/2013 11:06:05 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: dragnet2

“The lights turning red or green have zip to do with the shooting which followed the pursuit.”

I don’t believe I wrote otherwise. A question was asked and even though it wasn’t asked of me, I responded to it.


65 posted on 12/16/2013 11:07:14 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: dragnet2
this does not give the cops the right to shoot an unarmed suspect to death after the pursuit was over, with the suspect not even in a vehicle.

Looked like the guy was not going anywhere very fast, or was in any shape to be a grave threat to one of the heroic ossifers going home that night.

Target practice, heck yeah, why not, he can't shoot back?

66 posted on 12/16/2013 11:08:59 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: BenLurkin

And the officers who opened fire on a pair of little Asian women delivering newspapers from a truck when they mistook her for a wanted former LAPD officer have been fired and put on trial for attempted murder, right?

Spare me if I have the slightest belief that any investigation will ever seriously be conducted. You and I do something like that, we’re in jail that night. Officers do it, and they MIGHT get some unpaid leave. Maybe.


67 posted on 12/16/2013 11:12:15 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

My point was, the color of the lights have zip to do with these officers shooting to death the suspect, who it appears was completely unarmed.


68 posted on 12/16/2013 11:12:51 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: doorgunner69

They’re going to have a tough time rationalizing or justifying this shoot if the suspect was unarmed and it appears he was.

Disputing the news chopper video will be all but impossible.

The city will again be sued for millions....Distrust of the police/government will become even more widespread.


69 posted on 12/16/2013 11:17:29 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: doorgunner69; bramps

In the interest of fairness, he did ask me to put up and prove my contention that the two the deceased T-boned ran a red light, and after re-reviewing the available evidence, I can’t.

I can point to how to prove it, both from the known timing of the yellow light in his direction, and from dozens of police dash cams, but I can’t prove it at this point.

In any event, the status of the light is irrelevant to whether it’s A-OK to shoot an unarmed and possibly injured suspect who is hobbling away in the back.

Some of us say heck yeah shoot howdy!


70 posted on 12/16/2013 11:18:03 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: BenLurkin
Beck said “You have to remember that whatever you’re seeing is not the point of view of the officers; it’s very different to see something from 1,200 feet, from a helicopter, rather than 15 feet away in the dust and the noise.”

Beck is an illegal alien sympathizer and must think everyone is a fool.

The news chopper was using a very high powered telescopic/telephoto lens, which brought the shooting scene up much closer, than 1200' altitude of the chopper, as Mr. Beck seemed to be suggesting.

71 posted on 12/16/2013 11:30:11 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: BenLurkin
I saw just a couple of minutes of the video, so I'll ask here:

Is it possible that he was shot before he got out of the car?

Were there any people near him when he was shot? By that I mean near enough that he might have been a threat to them.

Thanks for any answers.

72 posted on 12/16/2013 11:37:54 PM PST by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: dragnet2
Beck said “You have to remember that whatever you’re seeing is not the point of view of the officers; it’s very different to see something from 1,200 feet, from a helicopter, rather than 15 feet away in the dust and the noise.”

A union employee is always considered absolutely innocent until he starts taking down others with him, and then he may resign with full benefits at that time.

Look, there's no defending the guy - not only did he endanger thousands of people with his driving, he even tried to get his car going where the only way to go was through officers ahead and behind him. Had the officers opened fire at that point, my only problem would be the whitewash investigation that followed. Because that is someone armed with a deadly weapon with intent to harm others.

Once he got out of the car, his hands clearly visible, it became a completely different matter. If a clean investigation was conducted, I'm sure it would be revealed that other officers opened fire when they heard the shot from the supposed bean bag round. And those who fired should be punished for their actions, just like you or I would be in a similar situation.

Laws only work if they apply to everyone equally.

73 posted on 12/16/2013 11:43:02 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: TChad
Perhaps the dead guy could have prevented this occurrence if he had used better judgment on how much he had to drink, had called a cab. Called a friend to come get him. What I am trying to say is the dead guy did a lot to cause this incident
74 posted on 12/16/2013 11:47:15 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (Dont give up, even Moses was a basket case at one time or other.)
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To: TChad

Somebody in the media says they saw a bean bag bounce off his left leg as he went around the car.

Now the media has found a friend of the suspect who says he was a paranoid schizophrenic who would naturally run from the police. If that’s the case he shouldn’t have been driving.


75 posted on 12/16/2013 11:53:32 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: BooBoo1000
Perhaps the dead guy could have prevented this occurrence if he had used better judgment on how much he had to drink, had called a cab. Called a friend to come get him. What I am trying to say is the dead guy did a lot to cause this incident

Perhaps the taste in your mouth wouldn't be so awful if you used better judgement and stopped licking the nearest jackboot?

76 posted on 12/17/2013 12:04:39 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: BenLurkin

A car is a 3500lb lethal weapon. If a driver does not stop after a lawful order by a police officer any and all actions including lethal force need to be directed at the driver immediately and without reserve. Treat that man or woman as if they were waving a gun around threatening to shoot everyone.

Hi speed chases that end in fatalities of innocent bystanders would disappear.


77 posted on 12/17/2013 12:06:33 AM PST by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: Cyman

Hitler, for all his faults, certainly got the criminals off the streets, and into government where they could kill wholesale instead of retail.

Not what I want in the USA, but then again, we are heading into the new and improved USSA, where hope and change means we hope the government doesn’t change from just executing those who “deserve it” to executing those who merely disagree with the executioners.


78 posted on 12/17/2013 12:28:29 AM PST by M1911A1
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To: sagar

Better stop licking them boots. You might catch something....


79 posted on 12/17/2013 12:38:12 AM PST by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: truth_seeker
I watched it, and he endangered a bunch of innocent people. Whatever the finish was, he earned it. He caused it.

so, the police are now judge, jury and executioner? I'd say you better re-think what the rights of individuals are and what the responsibilities of the police are....

80 posted on 12/17/2013 12:46:59 AM PST by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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