Posted on 12/17/2013 6:40:24 AM PST by Biggirl
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“Except the judge delayed his verdict and instead offered his opinion because he believes the gov’t will appeal. So, AFAIC, it was a big, fat, nothing burger.”
I agree. Much sound and fury amounting to nothing. The judge made a ruling and then chose not to enforce it. From the NSA’s perspective, nothing happens until the appeal winds it’s way through the courts which will likely be several years from now.
The court ran interference.
Snowden, neither Hero nor Traitor, but I am glad he came out with this stuff.
If he does that, he could put it in a bottle and call it art and sell it.
He’s got real dirt on the surveillance networks. If it gets disseminated to them, it goes to the media, and gets on air, and damages this administration. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
It's nothing they can't and won't ignore.
They turn down lots of stuff, only they can’t tell you about it because it’s a secret./sarc
It still has to go to the Robert’s court.
And then there is the enforcement of the decree. In short, since we no longer operate under the rule of law, I don’t have a lot of hope in getting this stopped.
Something like only 1% of the documents have been released.
FED supposedly have been trying to negotiate non-prison terms for return of the unreleased documents.
Considering the spying revelations AFTER Snowden fled the country, no telling what those unreleased documents contain. There may be plenty of sweating in Washington, awaiting the next chapter.
“...The NSA just got a big body blow yesterday in court ruling...”
How so?
Is anybody going to jail? Hauled off in manacles and wearing a stylish orange jumpsuit?
They’ll just be more surreptitious about it.
>> the politicians let the NSA run loose, and this is the inevitable result.
The NSA is the weapon. Congress pulls the trigger.
Snowden is not a hero. The NSA is not the boogeyman. It is our “representatives” that continually betray us.
Simply put
And you know this how?
But what we DO know is this sorry aassed government of ours IS spying on it's citizens. We know this for a fact because they admitted it.
If you trust them, well good luck with all that.
If memory serves me, the owner/writer of CARNIVORE died suddenly by a suicide, but the details don’t support the findings. He didn’t want to give the government complete control of his software.
Are we really FREE?
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No we haven’t been for a while.
I think a Vatican spokesman said the US is being surrounded by an electronic barbed wire fence.
I heard that once, too, but don’t know anything about it. I know a certain not-to-be-named messaging system was developed and the dev team felt very uneasy about it all so they left that world and scattered. Carnivore was a simplistic system that didn’t utilize the techniques now in place, specifically software that runs on primary pipes. It relied on a storage mechanism to capture specific data while today’s systems simple capture anything and everything in real-time and sends it on.
“The NSA is the weapon. Congress pulls the trigger.”
That weapon is out of control and no one in Congress dares try to reign it in. Most don’t even have the security clearance to have any affect.
True. That’s why Honorable Judge Richard Leon’s rulings are so important.
Particularly, he doesn’t buy the Smith v Maryland case as meaningful precedent.
Leon to Leon: Judge ruled the program you oversaw as Secretary of Defense “Orwellian”. Put that up in your shrine at the Panetta Institute.
>>A smaller government would need fewer secrets. Just saying...<<
I second your....just sayin!
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