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Federal team will try to lift crashed plane from seafloor
The Honolulu Star-Advertiser/McClatchy-Tribune Information Services ^ | December 17, 2013 | Sarah Zoellick

Posted on 12/18/2013 5:47:06 AM PST by WhiskeyX

Dec. 17--The National Transportation Safety Board said Monday it plans to recover the plane that crashed off Kalaupapa last week with eight passengers aboard, including Department of Health Director Loretta Fuddy, who died after safely evacuating the aircraft. [....] In the Makani Kai case, Maui officials have not yet released an official cause of death for Fuddy,.... An autopsy was conducted Friday. [....] Services for Fuddy have been set for Saturday....

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: autopsy; fuddy; funeral; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; ntsb
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Although the autopsy was completed on Friday, the autopsy report is not yet disclosed as arrangements for the funeral are underway. Meanwhile, work has begun to recover the crashed aircraft.
1 posted on 12/18/2013 5:47:06 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

They want to make sure she’s really dead


2 posted on 12/18/2013 5:48:50 AM PST by PGR88
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To: WhiskeyX

“Medical examiner dies in mysterious crash. Film at eleven.”


3 posted on 12/18/2013 5:49:07 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: WhiskeyX

yeah that bullet in the head is going to be a little tricky to explain


4 posted on 12/18/2013 5:50:17 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: WhiskeyX

Do they do this for non-governmental employees, or sons of martyred Presidents, in small plane crashes?


5 posted on 12/18/2013 5:50:31 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: WhiskeyX
Federal team will try to lift crashed plane from seafloor

My only question is what will the federal agency created to accomplish this feat do when, ten years and 15 billion later, they finally succeed?

6 posted on 12/18/2013 5:51:18 AM PST by skeeter
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To: PGR88

> They want to make sure she’s really dead

And disinfect the plane. Death sure does come around 0’s administration a lot.


7 posted on 12/18/2013 5:53:21 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001
Death sure does come around 0’s administration a lot.

Well, it makes sense when you realize we're dealing with Marxists.

Hoss

8 posted on 12/18/2013 5:55:42 AM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: WhiskeyX

What evidence do we have that the plane crashed, and wasn’t scuttled?


9 posted on 12/18/2013 6:20:12 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

So she was the only one?


10 posted on 12/18/2013 6:28:08 AM PST by Therapsid (OH WELL)
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To: BykrBayb

The survivors who were aboard the aircraft and the witnesses on the ground who report they heard the loud bang which caused the engine to quit. The engine is a Curtiss Wright PT-6 turboprop design, which has been known to have some other recent failures in other aircraft that are still the subject of investigation to discover the causes. One of those causes may be EDD(Electrical Discharge damage) resulting from yet to be understood issues when repairing a failed electrical generator, accoding to an Australian air transportation agency.


11 posted on 12/18/2013 6:31:18 AM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: yldstrk

Yeah, I’m sure that the other survivors who were treading water with her before she died totally wouldn’t have noticed something like that.


12 posted on 12/18/2013 6:35:06 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: PGR88

Maybe they want to confirm contents of her baggage.


13 posted on 12/18/2013 6:36:24 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: WhiskeyX
Federal team will try to lift crashed plane from seafloor

I think that it's GREAT that the federal government has got lots of its own money laying around to spend on stuff like this, and doesn't have to tax the peasants at gunpoint to get it...

They should probably fly some TSA staff over from LAX to check the luggage as it comes off the plane.

LOL!

14 posted on 12/18/2013 6:38:16 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Boogieman

Anytime I want someone offed, I make sure I have numerous witness, and draw media and helicopters to the scene.


15 posted on 12/18/2013 6:41:04 AM PST by EEGator
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To: jsanders2001; All

<< And disinfect the plane. Death sure does come around 0’s administration a lot. >>

Seriously, what’s a legitimate purpose for wanting to retrieve a useless plane? Why not just let it stay where it is? What happens in OTHER cases with normal, everyday people who ditch a small plane in the ocean? Why would the federal govt pay good money to retrieve a useless small plane?

IOW, for those who follow this type of thing, is this retrieval something “above and beyond” what is normally done? If yes, are there any legitimate reasons? Because the only thing that’s coming to my feeble little mind is to sanitize the plane before curiosity seeker scuba divers find it, and that doesn’t exactly fall under the “Legitimate” column.

So many questions...


16 posted on 12/18/2013 6:43:14 AM PST by Nita Nupress ( Use your mind, not your emotions. Refuse to be manipulated by Marxists.)
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To: Nita Nupress
Seriously, what’s a legitimate purpose for wanting to retrieve a useless plane? Why not just let it stay where it is? What happens in OTHER cases with normal, everyday people who ditch a small plane in the ocean? Why would the federal govt pay good money to retrieve a useless small plane

To determine if there is a flaw in the design of the engine, bad repair parts (there are a lot of non TSO parts that are sold as TSO, fuel contamination etc. or perhaps improper maintenance. This is important to prevent future failures with this engine if this was the cause of the crash.

I put nothing beyond Obama, but this seems to be a straight up accident due to engine failure due to at this time unknown causes.

17 posted on 12/18/2013 6:51:18 AM PST by cpdiii
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To: Nita Nupress

She knew too much period!

Out of 6-10 folks, I forget the exact number, she is THE ONLY dead person.

Minimally that is suspicious even to the numerous fools that would believe ANYTHING the federal government said!


18 posted on 12/18/2013 6:53:38 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Nita Nupress

A lot of those questions answered in the source article, including the cost of the plane’s recovery being billed to the airline’s insurance company, and the recovery being handled by a private company. And NTSB interest in the engine of the plane which has had a number of engine related accidents recently.


19 posted on 12/18/2013 6:53:49 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Cen-Tejas

Her being the only dead person is not suspicious at all. No one was seriously injured in the crash. She, and everyone, got out of the plane. I’m far more inclined to believe she had a heart attack. Being fat, 65, and just having been in a plane crash could certainly cause a heart attack.


20 posted on 12/18/2013 7:02:51 AM PST by EEGator
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
...the plane that crashed off Kalaupapa last week with eight passengers aboard, including Department of Health Director Loretta Fuddy, who died after safely evacuating the aircraft.
Thanks WhiskyX.
21 posted on 12/18/2013 7:04:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Boogieman

sheesh you don’t have much experience with this do you


22 posted on 12/18/2013 7:07:39 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: EEGator

so Ron Brown was by himself on that plane?


23 posted on 12/18/2013 7:08:36 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
yeah that bullet in the head is going to be a little tricky to explain

Coroner's report: "Cause of death: drowning due to leak in head caused by little hole in skull".

24 posted on 12/18/2013 7:11:18 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Nita Nupress
Seriously, what’s a legitimate purpose for wanting to retrieve a useless plane?

Maybe they want to know why it didn't disintegrate in mid-air, as planned? (Just putting on the tinfoil).

25 posted on 12/18/2013 7:12:30 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Cementjungle

“yeah that bullet in the head is going to be a little tricky to explain”

Coroner’s report: “Cause of death: drowning due to leak in head caused by little hole in skull”.

they need to look carefully at the one “holding her hand” as she died, he is most likely the killer


26 posted on 12/18/2013 7:13:38 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Boogieman

Did Fuddy survive the crash, exit the plane on her own power, tread water for some period of time, then die in the water?


27 posted on 12/18/2013 7:18:48 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: yldstrk

So this conspiracy is true because of a random question you pose about another conspiracy theory...gotcha.


28 posted on 12/18/2013 7:20:55 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Triple

Yes.


29 posted on 12/18/2013 7:24:37 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: EEGator

Definitely. It’s more fun when amateur internet sleuths immediately suspect what you did, but can’t prove it.


30 posted on 12/18/2013 7:27:29 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Thanks - I bet her autopsy show heart attack or stroke as the cause of death.


31 posted on 12/18/2013 7:30:54 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Nita Nupress

“Seriously, what’s a legitimate purpose for wanting to retrieve a useless plane?”

Well, if the cause of the crash is not a commonly known one, they probably want to figure out what happened so they can try to prevent future crashes.


32 posted on 12/18/2013 7:34:00 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Cen-Tejas

“Out of 6-10 folks, I forget the exact number, she is THE ONLY dead person.”

So what do you suspect happened, if you are so suspicious about this? Obama crashed the plane, then sent scuba-equipped assassins to find her in the water and kill only her, while leaving all the possible witnesses alive?


33 posted on 12/18/2013 7:35:50 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Triple

Most likely.


34 posted on 12/18/2013 7:37:38 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: WhiskeyX; Windflier; onyx; DJ MacWoW; Brown Deer

Holy cr@p!! I’ve ignored this story, thinking it was just another crash... seen so much of it that I finally checked it out... Fuddy!?!?! Oh wow..

Who was it that was keeping a list of all of the known Obumhead’s associates (or checking out his background) that have “died”?

The plot thickens by the week... O.O


35 posted on 12/18/2013 7:56:22 AM PST by Bikkuri ( those would have been affected.)
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To: WhiskeyX; butterdezillion

In a different article from the Honolulu Star Adviser (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20131217_Makani_Kai_pilot_returns_to_cockpit_after_leaving_hospital.html):

The National Transportation Safety Board hopes to pull the plane out of the water after initially thinking it wouldn’t be recoverable.

“I’m highly motivated to recover that aircraft,” Schuman said. “We don’t know what happened. We don’t know why.”

If the plane is recovered, Makani Kai staff will remove the engine under the supervision of NTSB officials, Schuman said.

It will be placed in a box and sealed, with the NTSB likely taking it back to the factory of engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney, where engineers will take it apart to find out what happened, he said.


36 posted on 12/18/2013 8:14:20 AM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: WhiskeyX

I thought they had stopped the little inter-island twin turbo-prop planes? I used to fly them from Honolulu to Kapalua on Maui and back and they gave out quite a ride and view. Last time, they had new 717s between islands and Kapalua was no longer an option.


37 posted on 12/18/2013 8:24:06 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Boogieman

I bet you even believe in the “pristine bullet”, and “you can keep your doctor”, and “aw shucks, the Benghazi attackers were mad at a video”, and Hassan committed “workplace violence” and “Obama is a “patriot” and “I didn’t have sex with that woman” and I could go on and on and on endlessly.

We live under a government of lies and liars my friend. Sadly, it (lying) has become the “norm” and “routine” NOT the “exception”. I was just trying to make that point. Namely that I won’t believe ANYTHING the NTSB says no matter what it is that they say ergo bringing up the little wrecked plane is another waste of borrowed money. Sorry you obviously missed my point.

Finally, if you don’t think that elements of the federal government have, from time to time in our history, been complicit in “offing” a few people the politicians didn’t like then you just landed on earth yesterday and there is not much hope for you.


38 posted on 12/18/2013 8:26:03 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Lx

OK, it’s a single engine Cessna. Is it inter-island or chartered.

Her body was reclaimed according to the article and is not in the submerged plane.


39 posted on 12/18/2013 8:27:00 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Cen-Tejas

“I bet you even believe in the “pristine bullet”, and “you can keep your doctor”, and “aw shucks, the Benghazi attackers were mad at a video”, and Hassan committed “workplace violence” and “Obama is a “patriot” and “I didn’t have sex with that woman” and I could go on and on and on endlessly.”

Meaningless blather. Just because you don’t have any discernment, and have to believe every conspiracy theory just because government may tell lies, doesn’t mean the rest of us have to fall into that trap.

You still haven’t answered what exactly you think could have happened here that is so suspicious. Maybe Obama trained some killer dolphins to find her in the water and poke her to death? Come on, if you are going to get looney, get creative at least.


40 posted on 12/18/2013 8:42:25 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Nita Nupress

“what’s a legitimate purpose for wanting to retrieve a useless plane?”

To get the remote fuel cut-off switch off the engine, so it can’t be catalogued by the NTSB or Pratt-Whitney as the cause of failure.

Doubt there’s a bullet in her head, but probably the one next to her just held her head underwater for a couple of mins while she was floating and bobbing. They can’t afford another Ron Brown incident and pics on the Net of his head and bullet fragments etc.


41 posted on 12/18/2013 9:02:52 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: WhiskeyX
"The engine is a Curtiss Wright PT-6 turboprop...."

And ya just don't see many of them around anymore.

It's akin to seeing Hispano-Suiza RB211's on a McDonnell-Douglas B747-400.

42 posted on 12/18/2013 9:16:37 AM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: Lx
"I thought they had stopped the little inter-island twin turbo-prop planes?"

The Grand Caravan is not a twin turbo-prop, and it ain't little.

43 posted on 12/18/2013 9:23:41 AM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: WhiskeyX

44 posted on 12/18/2013 9:27:07 AM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Boogieman

The engine could have been sabotaged to create a crash close to shore that most could survive, in order to create a plausible natural reason for Fuddy to have what is actually chemically-induced heart failure.

The only way it would be known is by detecting tampering with the engine, and/or an autopsy showing poisons in the body. But heart failure can be chemically induced without leaving any traces.

This particular aircraft has only had 4 instances of engine failure in the last 34 years, and 2 of those were within 50 days of each other and possibly involved the same air company and/or pilot. Clyde Kawasaki is not listed on the Makani Kai staff webpage as their pilot. He has never been listed as their pilot. They have 2 web pages showing their staff. One was started in early December of this year, the other has been around for years and was updated in June of this year - yet neither of the pages lists Kawasaki or ever has listed Kawasaki.

I’m told that airlines sometimes borrow from each other in the muddle of daily workings. The other company that flies out of Molokai is Mokulele, which is the company that had the other Cessna engine failure 50 days before this. Mokulele was associated with Aloha Airlines after Aloha went bankrupt, which is the company Kawasaki is said to have flown for. Mokulele doesn’t publish the names of their pilots, and while the 2 pilots in the Cessna engine failure 50 days earlier were praised highly they were never publicly named. If Kawasaki was “borrowed” from Mokulele for this flight, it would make a Mokulele connection to both of the Cessna engine failures, which within 50 days DOUBLED the 34-year number of engine failures for that engine.

The Mokulele crash resulted in a fully-intact plane and was known to have been caused by engine failure. The NTSB has given a preliminary report but hasn’t determined the cause of the engine failure. Presumably they packed and sealed the engine and sent it to the manufacturer like they intend to do with this one. If so, that company will be looking at 2 cases of engine failure within 50 days close to Maui. SOMEBODY may be dealing with some liability issues by the time all is said and done.


45 posted on 12/18/2013 9:27:22 AM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: diogenes ghost
The Grand Caravan is not a twin turbo-prop, and it ain't little.

Yes, I acknowledged that above. Little is relative and when I say little, I was actually talking about the twin turboprop that used to fly inter-island and it held over twenty people. Compared to the 717 or DC9 (same basic plane) it is little. The little plane was an awesome ride and better view, the 717s take off and land quickly, you don't get a great view compared to cruising between islands on a twin prop job.

46 posted on 12/18/2013 9:29:44 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Lx

Makani Kai Air does scheduled inter-island flights but there was not one scheduled for that time so it appears that this was a chartered flight. There were 8 passengers and one pilot aboard. The pilot, Clyde Kawasaki, is not listed on Makani Kai Air’s website as a pilot for them although the owner, Richard Schuman, says he has flown for them for about 2 years. Archive.org has taken a snapshot of their staff page 11 times in the past 2 years, IIRC, and Kawasaki has never been listed as their pilot. In early December this year they added an additional page listing pilots but Kawasaki is not listed on that page either.

Fuddy got out of the plane and was doing fine, floating in her life jacket like everybody else, when a 70-some-year-old survivor started to swim for shore. He was surprised to find that she died. Her deputy director was holding her hand to try to calm her, after helping her get her life jacket on. He says she let go and didn’t respond after that.


47 posted on 12/18/2013 9:35:25 AM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: butterdezillion
>>The engine could have been sabotaged to create a crash close to shore that most could survive, in order to create a plausible natural reason for Fuddy to have what is actually chemically-induced heart failure.
Alternatively, perhaps the saboteur's hope may have been that all on the plane would have died, and if so, perhaps a chemical was covertly dosed to Fuddy as a secondary precaution in case the pilot was fortunate enough to manage a non-fatal "crash landing"?

I can admit there are good arguments against this poisoning-as-backup theory. Particularly, I wonder whether a saboteur would be able to confidently time the engine outage and the effects of the chemicals such that they would occur in quick succession respectively. I mean if Fuddy went unresponsive prior to the engine failure, might there have been time for the pilot to radio in so that medical help could be ready upon landing? If so, wouldn't that have compromised accident plausibility?

Personally, I'm still unconvinced that this really was the result of a plot, but the "what are the odds" factor I think behooves us to consider every possible angle before dismissing it as a mere accident.

In fact, the reason I mentioned the scuba diver who died of unknown causes on a dive at the big island a day after the Fuddy incident was because it entered my mind that either he was a contract diver and had served some function related to the alleged sabotage and was deemed to have known too much, or that he had heard about the wreck and communications had been intercepted from him or those on his vessel indicating their plan to arrange a "curiosity" dive near the wreckage or even that perhaps by that time he had already done so and had seen something he wasn't supposed to see. I realize that's all a very big stretch, but if it's imaginable that sabotage could have been arranged, then I suppose it's also plausible that other unexplained deaths might occur as part of the post-op clean up, so to speak?

(And yes, before someone says so, I realize that there's probably little that could be gathered from a mere scuba expedition if all the wreckage had already plummeted to over 200 ft deep, but the diver was reportedly on a commercial diving vessel, and I don't know how it may have been equipped nor how clear the water was, etc.)
48 posted on 12/18/2013 10:34:15 AM PST by ecinkc (Keep a sharp eye, Mr Onaka, Dr Fukino, Ms Okubo. Who knows what the One you shelter will do next?)
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If you like your plane,you can keep your plane.


49 posted on 12/18/2013 1:49:56 PM PST by pricilla (one should always try to be smarter than the equipment one is operating - Amajato)
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To: pricilla

If you like your Department of Health Director,you can keep
your Department of Health Director.


50 posted on 12/18/2013 1:51:56 PM PST by pricilla (one should always try to be smarter than the equipment one is operating - Amajato)
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