Skip to comments.‘Duck Dynasty’ vs. ‘Pajama Boy’: Two Americas?
Posted on 12/19/2013 2:03:34 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
As youve probably heard, Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson has been suspended by A&E over what many are describing as anti-gay comments he made to GQ.
So what did he say that was so bad? Heres an excerpt, via E!:
Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men, he tells the magazine. Paraphrasing Corinthians, he says, Dont be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlersthey wont inherit the kingdom of God. Dont deceive yourself. Its not right.
It seems like, to me, a vaginaas a manwould be more desirable than a mans anus. Thats just me. Im just thinking: Theres more there! Shes got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what Im saying? But hey, sin: Its not logical, my man. Its just not logical.
We never, ever judge someone on whos going to heaven, hell. Thats the Almightys job. We just love em, give em the good news about Jesuswhether theyre homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort em out later, you see what Im saying?
Much of the criticism coming from conservatives (regarding A&Es decision) has focused on the fact that a). Robertson was merely stating an orthodox Christian position, and b). that this is just his opinion and hes entitled to it (and besides, why are people so offended these days?).
But Ill make another observation: This may be an attack on unsophisticated country folks as much as it is an attack on orthodox Christianity.
When you consider the more effete, cosmopolitan America that Pajama Boy represents, youll get a sense for why the Duck Dynasty folks are out of touch with todays acceptable norms. There is a huge schism between red state America and blue state America, and these two stories seem to symbolize the yawning chasm.
Ive always felt that this same dichotomy was at least partly to blame for why the mainstream media hated Sarah Palin so much. It wasnt merely her conservative positions, but the fact that she was from Alaska and that she never attempted to conform to their manner of speaking, style, or customs. She didnt culturally evolve. (Kirsten Gillibrand no longer sleeps with two rifles under her bed, but Sarah from Alaska still goes hunting!)
Along those lines, its not just what Robertson said, but how he said it. Suppose, for example, he had simply said: My faith tradition teaches that traditional marriage is the right path. Its hard to imagine that would have landed him in any trouble.
I mean, there are certainly alternate ways to discuss a religious objection to homosexuality that dont involve vagina or anus. Perhaps he might have gone that route? (As Erick Erickson, who defended Robertson, concedes: Certainly some things you or I might have phrased differently, but a self-made man at sixty-five should be shown some latitude.)
To be sure, always having to make ones case in the most eloquent and precise manner (in order for it to be deemed acceptable by polite society) may be the first step toward ones position being deemed unacceptable no matter how finely parsed.
But that doesnt negate the fact that a big reason this happened is that a pretty regular guy a guy who hates phonies and tells it like it is is going to be rhetorically unequipped to navigate the PC land mines that 21st century fame demands.
It has as much to do with class and geography and culture and attitude as it does with religion.
Politics and reality TV are increasingly causing these two worlds to clash. Until we find a way to domesticate these guys with the gun racks in their pickup trucks, I suspect this will be a recurring story.
There really are two Americas.
That isn’t really true. There are not two Americas. There is one America and one anti-America and never the twain shall meet.
.....just another facet of the attack on Christians. A set up, lead by GQ, to dampen the success of a very popular TV program where each episode ends with a prayer. They never stop.
I'll add the conflict of plain-speaking versus polite dissembling.
Yeah. The truth has a funny way of being...the truth...and it is usually pretty straightforward.
Dennis Prager has written about the two irreconcilable Americas.
Sacrificing truth on the alter of political correctness is what the left does and what it demands everyone else do as well.
When you make your point with very few words it is a powerful thing.
Email A & E at firstname.lastname@example.org . Tell em youll be happy to dump both the network and its sponsors for its craven cowardice in kowtowing to the hectoring Free speech for me, but not for thee whimperers.
"I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get plied upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe."
What I don’t get is why a Christian would do an interview with such a godless, metrosexual magazine to begin with. You have to know that they will bait you with such trap questions.
Perhaps Phil knew full well he would be expressing the truth about homosexuality. Maybe he wanted this boil lanced.
Phil basically said (except for the whole vagina vs. anus part) what all Christian preachers should be saying from the pulpits of America (and Canada). Are they now guilty of “hate” speech as well? What would the lavender mafia do with the truth-speaking preachers of the world?
Acceptable?? To whom?
I don't set my standards of acceptable conduct by the whims of effete urban socialists. Indeed, their conduct is generally UNacceptable in my part of WEST Virginia. Today's Acceptable Norms here include that faggotry is repulsive and sinful.
I don’t think it’s two Americas as much as it’s two spirits.
Very rapidly, the spirit of anti-Christ is taking over what once was a unified, God-fearing, Judeo-Christian nation.
I do hope the rest of the family will support Phil in this matter, acknowledge the truthfulness of his words, & have A&E drop the whole show.
The big loser will be A&E. Phil & his family don’t need the money.
so....a Christian talks about his faith and what is acceptable and what isn’t - and he’s suspended...but any nut case anti-US - pro-death of babies is given any amount of air time to spouse their opinions and beliefs....uhm...
Seems like the shows popularity illustrates where the majority of viewers concentrate their belief system - and it’s not around the gay movement or abortion rights... A&E is in it for the money and could care less about promoting Christian values...same as TLC and their pedophile show Toddlers and Tiaras...
I loved the authors comment about Phil being “rhetorically unequipped”. Made me laugh. Phil knew exactly what he was saying. He doesn’t CARE about political correctness.
“I dont think its two Americas as much as its two spirits.”
Anyone who has watched daytime TV will quickly realize there are two Americas; normal people have nothing in common with people that are fed this stuff all week while we work our butts off. There is 0 common ground.
“Very rapidly, the spirit of anti-Christ is taking over what once was a unified, God-fearing, Judeo-Christian nation.”
Sad, but oh, so true, and bears repeating.
Well, that settles... that--
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“This may be an attack on unsophisticated country folks as much as it is an attack on orthodox Christianity.”......
Obviously you have not “listened” to how Mr. Robertson speaks, he is no “unsophisticated country folk”. He gets his point across very well and in plain english.
Perhaps I too fall into the same catagory as Mr. Robertson as I had no problem undersanding what he stated.
Duck Dynasty is THE NUMEBER ONE hottest program on the TV, period. Perhaps we all need to boycott A&E and in particular, their sponsors. When they get hit in the pocket book, they don’t like it.
Why the exception? Was the statement not anatomically correct? Does it not follow God's plan at Genesis?
I’ll guarantee you there are far more males who identify with Phil Robertson than Pajama Boy. And I’ll bet far more Dem-voting males I know like Robertson and despise PJ boy. The nitwits who write the ads for lib advocacy campaigns have no idea how different they are from most people in flyover country....that’s where I live. The hip, metrosexual image might resonate in Manhattan or Berkeley, but out here in the middle of the country, those types are sneered at. But where I live many Dems own guns and hunt.
You may be right, and perhaps I was a little hasty in judging the situation. This incident could potentially high-light the true, demonic character of the homosexual movement to the entire nation. The network calling his comments, based on biblical morality, "vile" while granting the opposite characterization of the truly vile culture of homosexuality is really quite bizarre. No one but the most blinded reprobates will fail to notice this supreme irony.
I only excepted that because I don’t think most pastors would be so graphic in the pulpit. I just found it a little coarse....but not incorrect at all. The phrase I have used is “it’s an exit”.
The author's solution is bass-ackwards.
Think of it this way ...
If they were choosing up teams for dodgeball (or an armed revolt), which team leader would you walk toward — Phil Robertson or Pajama Boy?
No hesitation which one I’d choose.
The above quote tells me where author is coming from. Does this brain dead maroon even stop to consider that the 'guys with the gun racks in their pickup trucks' might not *want* to be 'domesticated' (whatever *that* is supposed to mean). Just another smug, self righteous urbanite who truly believes that he/she is uniquely equipped to do the thinking for an entire nation, and that their 'one size fits all' solutions are not only appropriate, but essential. Phooey!
John Edwards also said that there are two Americas because his mansion is so big it covers most of one.
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I’ve been needing a tea glass....
More seriously: have you heard a response from the rest of the family?
Pajama Boy’s picture needs to be posted on every bulletin board in every union shop in the country. Captioned: DEMOCRAT