Yet we have more than a few dopes on this site that actually support, admire, and defend this guy! This "former" KGB thug.
“What’s the real difference between Cromwell and Stalin? None whatsoever,” Putin said at a press conference Thursday.
Not just ignorant, but ignorant and proud of it.
I can understand why he is saying this.
Stalin expanded the USSR empire greatly after years of humiliation after they quit WWI.
He was the great Russian emperor,
So what if he had to break a few million eggs to make an omelet.
At the end of the day, Putin will always be a conniving Soviet.
It’s been a while since I have seen Oliver Cromwell in the news.
Cromwell slaughtered untold numbers of Irish and sold countless numbers into slavery so, yeah, I’d rank him with Stalin.
This is historically ignorant and reductive. Both men were very cunning, but while Cromwell was not a good guy in my opinion and did a lot of Robespierre-esque things, Stalin is only bested by Mao Zedong in the mass murder department. He was one of the most evil men in history, and if Putin truly wishes to understand all Russians and not just the permanent political class which in the DUMA does include a large cadre of communists, he may need to get out of Moscow and visit the small villages where people still bear the scars of the Soviet Union’s gulag program.
Comparing Cromwell to Stalin is like comparing Mandella to Hitler. They’re not even in the same league.
Yet we have more than a few dopes on this site that actually support, admire, and defend this guy! This "former" KGB thug.
Well I don’t suppose that England at the time had that many people he could starve to death.
Not to mention the millions starved to death in the Ukraine.
The Ukrainian Famine was dreadful famine premeditated by the Soviet Union, headed by Joseph Stalin during 1932-1933, as a means to undermine the nationalistic pride of the Ukrainian people. It served to control and further oppress the Ukrainian people by denying them the basic vital essentials they needed to survive. The Ukrainian Famine is also known as Holodomor, meaning “death by hunger.”
The Communist Regime sought to eliminate any threat from Ukrainian nationalists, whom they feared had the potential to form a rebellion and to seek independence from the Soviet Union. More than 5,000 Ukrainian intellectuals were arrested and later were either murdered or deported to prison camps in Siberia. These individuals were falsely accused of plotting an armed rebellion; however it was very clear that Stalin’s intentions were to eliminate the leaders of Ukrainian society, to leave the masses without any guidance or direction.
Stalin regarded the self-sufficient farms of the Ukraine peasants, as a threat to his ideals. He did not want the Ukrainian peasants to prosper freely from the wealth accumulated from independent farm holdings. The wealthier farmers were termed as “kulaks”, and became the primary target of “dekulukization,” an effort to eliminate independent farm-holdings, and create collective farm units. The Communists attempted to gain the support of the poorer class of peasants, by turning them against the kulak class of farmers. A false image of the Kulak class portrayed them as a danger to society. Contrary to the expected outcome of the Communists’ plan, the poor farmers sided with the kulaks, instead of siding with the Soviet authorities. As a result many of them became new targets of dekulakization. Many other poor farmers unwillingly joined collective farms. Those who attempted to aid a “kulak” were punished under the law.
The Soviet police confiscated the Ukrainian farmers of their homes, livestock, wheat crops, and valuable possessions. They imposed heavy grain taxes, deliberately leaving families to starve. Those who resisted giving up their homes and crops, were violently shot to death or deported to regions in Siberia. Some families and individuals chose to burn their homes to the ground and kill their livestock, instead of handing it over to Soviet authorities. Families, who tried to hide grain resources, in order to sustain a source of food, were killed. This campaign of terror was organized to instill fear within the people, and force them to relinquish all that they had. The ultimate goal was to have these people embrace Soviet-ism and abandon all nationalistic pride.
A system of internal passports prevented Ukrainians from leaving their towns and villages. Thus villagers were not able to cross the border and escape the torment by fleeing to other countries. When news of the Famine reached the Ukrainian Diaspora in the United States and Europe, food supplies were sent to Ukraine to assist the starving people. However all food shipments were denied at the border by Soviet authorities. Following the Soviet Union’s policy of denying any allegations having to do with the Famine, all outside assistance was refused. Even journalists were not allowed in Ukraine, because the Soviet government feared that the media would reveal the perpetrated crimes against the Ukrainian people. When an individual claimed that there was a famine in Ukraine they were considered to be spreading anti-Soviet propaganda. Even stating the words “famine” or “hunger” could cause someone to end up in jail.
All the grain taken from Ukrainian farmers were exported to European countries, and the money generated from these sales, were used to fuel Stalin’s Five Year Plan for the transformation of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union purchased many products and weapons from Western countries. Those western countries in return remained silent in regards to the starving Ukrainians. Grain that was not yet shipped out was reserved in granaries. While the animals that were needed for work on the farms were fed, the people were left to starve. The granaries were guarded to ensure no one would steal grain supplies. Anyone who attempted to do so was shot and killed.
It was estimated that about 25,000 Ukrainians were dying every day during the Famine. Desperation and extreme hunger even lead to cases of cannibalism and consequentially thousands were arrested for this act.
Despite many Ukrainian Communist leaders’ objections to Stalin and his decrees, Stalin continued to raise grain quotas, which led to worsening of the famine. Many Communists blame the orchestrated famine on an unsuccessful harvest and crop yield, failing to acknowledge the crimes perpetrated by the Soviet government and authorities. It is estimated that more than 10 million people died as a result of violent executions, deportation, and starvation.
Currently Russia does not recognize the Ukrainian Famine or Holodomor, as genocide. The Russian State Duma stated that there was starvation in many parts of the Soviet Union, and it is insulting and incorrect for the Ukrainians to claim that they were directly targeted. Despite Russia’s persistent denial of the Ukrainian Famine, many countries around the world have recognized the atrocious crimes committed against the Ukrainian people as genocide. Australia, Brazil, Canada, Columbia, Estonia, Ecuador, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Mexico, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, and the United States of America regard the Ukrainian Famine from 1932-1933 as genocide. Argentina, Czech Republic, Chile, Slovakia, Spain, Balearic Islands, Spain, and Vatican consider Holodomor as a deliberate act of famine.
On November 28, 2006 the Parliament of Ukraine adopted a law that recognized the artificial famine in Ukraine as genocide committed against the Ukrainian people. The law also made public denial of the Ukrainian Genocide illegal. Ukrainian Genocide commemoration day is on November 26.
http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/ukraine_famine.htm
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You can take the man out of the KGB but you can’t take the KGB out of the man
Well if we are going to go down that route, maybe the Germans should start putting up statues of Hitler.
Tell that to the people of Ireland and Scotland, where Cromwell committed mass murder.
I can’t speak for whether Cromwell committed purges or not (he did ultimately do purges towards Irish and Scottish people, though in his defense, he did have to put up with an uprising earlier so he wasn’t entirely unjustified in his response.). But I WILL say this much: Stalin should NOT be compared to Cromwell. Aside from the fact that Cromwell didn’t have nearly as much of the baggage that Stalin, or Lenin for that matter, did, such as random executions and arrests of completely innocent people, or even those who had confirmed loyalty to them either out of paranoia or simply for a kick, there’s also the fact that Cromwell, while not Catholic, was still ultimately a Christian, while Stalin was explicitly an Atheist (the closest he got to being Christian was during World War II when he helmed the ROC, and even that was purely a cynical attempt at bolstering morale enough to fight off the Nazis, and once that was done, he went right back to persecuting and destroying them). And I’m not even fond of Cromwell since, aside from my being of Irish heritage (though my family moving to America had absolutely nothing to do with him), he also was indirectly responsible for the French Revolution and the Russian Revolution’s acts of regicide in the name of the people. Though at least he still was a Christian and made sure Christianity was still practiced in some form, unlike those events where they tried to genocide Christianity and pretty much any religion in France and Russia.