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How Karl Rove went from GOP mastermind to the right's political punching bag
The Week ^ | 12/24/13 | Jon Terbush

Posted on 12/25/2013 5:54:41 PM PST by jimbo123

A decade ago, Karl Rove was President George W. Bush's right-hand man and one of the most powerful political figures in America. And even after his fortunes briefly dipped at the end of the Bush era, Rove roared to life again, tapping into and fueling the Tea Party movement through his massive super PAC, American Crossroads.

But today, with a GOP civil war raging between establishment types and upstart conservatives in the mold of Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (R), Rove's once-strong influence has begun to wane. An embodiment of the Bush-era Republicans who have fallen out of favor of late, Rove, too, has begun to come under fire from the populist right.

In the latest sign of Rove's diminished standing, a dozen super PACs are challenging his American Crossroads in the GOP money game, and aiming to promote their own preferred candidates in races across the country, according to the New York Times.

"Certainly I think there's a level of frustration with the state of things in D.C.," Randy Cubriel, a Texas lobbyist, told the Times. See if you can read between the lines here: "I think a group like ours, coming from the state, is probably a little more effective than some of the national groups."

Crossroads was widely criticized for not producing more victories in 2012 despite spending some $300 million. The group had dismal 16.7 percent success rate in the last election, according to OpenSecrets.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: defundkarlrove; defundthegope; defundthernc; gope; karlrove; rino; rnc; tokyorove; vichyrepublicans
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1 posted on 12/25/2013 5:54:41 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
Karl Rove was President George W. Bush's right-hand man

It's all about perception. At one point, being Bush's right-hand man convinced many that Rove was a hard-core Conservative. Now, with a little distance, I think we can see that Rove in 2003 was just like Rove in 2013 -- a Liberal.

The GOP has not had Conservatives at the top since 1988.

2 posted on 12/25/2013 5:59:31 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: jimbo123

You mean ‘the Architect’ ??


3 posted on 12/25/2013 5:59:56 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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4 posted on 12/25/2013 6:01:18 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
tapping into and fueling the Tea Party movement

My a$$!! More like falsely using and discarding it!

5 posted on 12/25/2013 6:06:47 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: ClearCase_guy

” 2003 was just like Rove in 2013 — a Liberal.”
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Yes, but I am sure many of us recall a number of FReepers that proudly posted “Rove, you MAGNIFICENT bastard”


6 posted on 12/25/2013 6:07:38 PM PST by AlexW
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To: jimbo123

I love it when he brings out his little chalk board on FNC and ‘does the math’


7 posted on 12/25/2013 6:14:49 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: jimbo123
(from the article):".. in 2012 despite spending some $300 million.
The group had dismal 16.7 percent success rate in the last election,.."

At 16.7 % success rate , no wonder the Demorats support him in the war against Conservatives.
Barbarians are running the govt. , and treachery within our own walls ..
..and with 16.7% success rate, he expects continued support ?
It seems that Rove is the best trojan horse that the Demorats could muster .. !!

8 posted on 12/25/2013 6:15:08 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: AlexW

I was guilty of that phrase until he crapped on Sarah Palin. Now I could care less about his opinions. For sure he is no friend of he Tea Party.


9 posted on 12/25/2013 6:15:13 PM PST by fish hawk (no tyrant can remain in power without the consent and cooperation of his victims.)
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To: jimbo123

At the time, everyone was so happy to see Clinton replaced by a Republican, that they gave Bush every benefit of the doubt, and Rove too.

Moreover, Bush maintained some appearance of conservatism during his first term. But after he won his second election, he pretty much abandoned his base. About the only thing he stood fast on was the right to life and traditional marriage, for which he deserves some credit.


10 posted on 12/25/2013 6:17:11 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AlexW

Yes I do too.


11 posted on 12/25/2013 6:17:51 PM PST by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: Antoninus II

Bingo.


12 posted on 12/25/2013 6:18:16 PM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: AlexW

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

Unless they are Democrats.

This goes for FReepers too, he had many fooled.


13 posted on 12/25/2013 6:19:57 PM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: jimbo123
It all goes back to Rove's early attacks on Palin, which was a sign of things to come from him concerning the TEA Party writ large:

Rove says the excitement surrounding Palin will wear off.

ROVE GOES OFF-MESSAGE ON PALIN.

14 posted on 12/25/2013 6:21:56 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"The GOP has not had Conservatives at the top since 1988."

10,000% right.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

15 posted on 12/25/2013 6:24:02 PM PST by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: Timber Rattler

one of these days I’m gonna kick his ASS.............i’LL NEED BAIL MONEY


16 posted on 12/25/2013 6:26:51 PM PST by advertising guy (givin Iran, an oil producing country, billions, is like givin Texas cattle cause they can grow hay)
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To: fish hawk

I could see him for what he was when he would loft some of his ideas that were nowhere near Conservatism on any level.

He’s just another Washington insider will to game Conservatives at will. Ah, no thanks.

I’m so done with political sell-outs like him.


17 posted on 12/25/2013 6:27:45 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero!)
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To: jimbo123

Easy, he was willing to sell out values for votes in such a manner as to transform the very nature of conservatism within the republican party, then willingly alienate the conservative base in favor of gaining support of groups of people who were basically socialist democrats. If he’s an “architect”, his focus is most certainly on demolition. See the definition for “traitor”.


18 posted on 12/25/2013 6:28:11 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: jimbo123

Rovio never had any credibility with me…. Didn’t like his ‘genius’ handling of Bush in Texas and nothing he has done after convinces me any different


19 posted on 12/25/2013 6:28:58 PM PST by Nifster
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To: jimbo123

20 posted on 12/25/2013 6:29:22 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Timber Rattler

Rove has anger issues when it comes to women.


21 posted on 12/25/2013 6:40:23 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Pretty much agree with all that’s been written here. For me, the 1st tripwire Rove broke was when he gave the finger to the R2KABA/ 2nd Amendment crowd during POTUS #43 GWB’s 1st term. The 2nd tripwire was in 2005 when he made the claim that the future of the GOP depended upon bringing in “traditional value” Hispanics, including illegal aliens, under the GOP tent. The scales were removed from eyes at that point - I was through with him and Bush.


22 posted on 12/25/2013 6:43:43 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: Cicero
But after he won his second election, he pretty much abandoned his base. About the only thing he stood fast on was the right to life and traditional marriage, for which he deserves some credit.

At the outset of his second term, GWB also stood for privatization of social security -- a highly conservative stance for which he definitely deserves credit.

However, his own party melted before the onslaught of the media and the Democrats...and that was the beginning of the end.

23 posted on 12/25/2013 6:44:13 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: jimbo123

He never was one of us. He is a sellout.


24 posted on 12/25/2013 6:51:09 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: jimbo123
Rove has anger issues when it comes to women.

nonsense....and I Like him!!!

25 posted on 12/25/2013 6:57:20 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: jimbo123

After a stint in DC, everyone succumbs to power hunger and starts to believe the beltway way. Rove displays that to a tee.


26 posted on 12/25/2013 7:00:06 PM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: advertising guy

I agree. Can you see him going out for a walk in public and not being in the knock-out game by a conservative who is just PO’ed with him?


27 posted on 12/25/2013 7:03:47 PM PST by MtnClimber (Lets turn back the clock and leave j@ck@ss mccain in vietnam, seemingly his utopia)
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To: jimbo123

I had a lot of patience for him until he took his potshots at Palin, the tea party, and some of the conservative candidates. And failed to support some of the conservatives who needed some support at the time.

Now I see him as an opportunist.


28 posted on 12/25/2013 7:23:53 PM PST by marron
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To: jimbo123

“...Rove roared to life again, tapping into and fueling the Tea Party movement through his massive super PAC, American Crossroads.”

LOL. That ol’ tea partier Karl Rove. He fueled the whole thing himself.


29 posted on 12/25/2013 7:29:59 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: marron

Rove, punk ass bitch. Mouth breather who has not really done much of anything since Georgie has been out. Very low winning percentage ove the last few elections.


30 posted on 12/25/2013 7:37:13 PM PST by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: advertising guy

.......just don’t do it in Travis County where “liberals” prevail in every office and particularly the sheriff who runs the jail.

LOL, I will lure Karl next door to Burnet County and you can punch him out there! They would probably give you a reward that would cover your bail money! Or, more likely, the Sheriff would just conclude Karl had a few too many and fell on the sidewalk hitting his head.

Around here, Karl is seen as the poster boy for what’s wrong with the Republican Party.


31 posted on 12/25/2013 7:37:28 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: marron
Now I see him as an opportunist.

I've come to see Rove as a "moderate opportunist", myself.

Without any ideology or core principles, he's clearly a moderate -- not a liberal. And, like any opportunist, he is in favor of whatever can improve his station -- financially or status-wise.

A disgusting little man...

32 posted on 12/25/2013 7:37:59 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: marron

He favored rhinos who lost primaries over conservative candidates.


33 posted on 12/25/2013 7:38:08 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: okie01
Without any ideology or core principles

Thank you. Nailed it.

34 posted on 12/25/2013 7:40:35 PM PST by marron
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To: jimbo123

I don’t refer to him as any kind of bag. He’s more of a sack....


35 posted on 12/25/2013 7:42:04 PM PST by chickenlips (Karl Rove: The Donut Whisperer)
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To: jimbo123
JMO, but the man behind Rove is the same man that's been behind the Bush family all along.


36 posted on 12/25/2013 7:42:41 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Bratch

James Nicholson???


37 posted on 12/25/2013 7:54:06 PM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: jimbo123

My beef with Rove, apart FRom his GOPe liberalism, is that he refused to back Republicans who won Primaries against his “anointed” candidates.

Mr. Rove, If you are a Republican, you are obliged to support ALL Republican candidates, even if they are not your first choice.

You could have helped us retire Dingy Harry Reid a few years ago, but your childish and petulant behavior when your candidate did not win the Primary cost us that seat!

How has Harry Reid worked for you since then?

Not to mention Delaware, and there are probably others I cannot recall right now.

When the voters decide who they want to run against a Democrat, you should go “all in” and support them.

The idea is for conservative Republicans to displace LIEberal Democrats!

Nothing else matters!


38 posted on 12/25/2013 7:55:10 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: neverdem; narses; SunkenCiv; Nachum; sickoflibs

Hmmn.

Very near-loss in 2000.
Losses in 2002, 2004 - Particularly bad in the Senate!
Lost the Senate AND House in 2006.
Lost Senate, House, and Presidency in 2008.
Gained the House in 2010 - but despite the opposition of “mainstream” Repubbie leadership - including and most notably Rowe. Instrumental in losing several close Senate seats when conservative (non-GROPE!) newcomers won their primaries!
Lost the presidency to the single worst candidate’s record ever! in 2012. Lost more Senate seats!

Yeah - Right. Sure. Of course!

Does four “yes” votes mean a negative for Rowe’s conventional “wisdom” ??


39 posted on 12/25/2013 7:57:46 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Taxman

Establishment types... started to comment. Waste of time.


40 posted on 12/25/2013 8:00:57 PM PST by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: jimbo123

Rove was part of the tea party? I think not.


41 posted on 12/25/2013 8:33:02 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Timber Rattler

The way he ridiculed Sarah Palin was very destructive to the Republicans. Unfortunately , Rove has become enemy.


42 posted on 12/25/2013 8:37:03 PM PST by Rock Eye Jack
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To: jimbo123

Tokyo Rove does not support Conservative women. He’s a $$$ grubbing A-Hole.


43 posted on 12/25/2013 8:41:41 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: jimbo123

Would a college football team hire a coach and keep him for 10 years even though he lost 90 per cent of his games? Why then, should Rove have an unending forum on Fox to pretend to be head coach of the Republicans?

It is not that winning is so important, it is everything.


44 posted on 12/25/2013 8:56:32 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: advertising guy

I’m a poor girl, but I’d gladly contribute!


45 posted on 12/25/2013 9:16:27 PM PST by stilloftyhenight (call it ODemocratcare)
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To: jimbo123
only reason Tokyo Rove was on Bush team was the $$$$..
he's a hired gun..and that's still the only reason he fights the
TEA Party b/c w/o "the Establishment" in the Dist. of Criminals.
..no fees/$$$$.. no bread/butter..he's still a (DC) hired gun.
RUSH L. always said, "follow the $$$$/power."

46 posted on 12/25/2013 9:32:27 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: fish hawk; nathanbedford; All
"I was guilty of that phrase until he crapped on Sarah Palin.
Now I could care less about his opinions.
For sure he is no friend of he Tea Party."
same here. Now he's "screwed the pooch", (libs "love" him) "his tactics & his ilk" only serve to divide
our opposition to the Marxists' Grand Scheme.."the Destruction of our unique American Culture."
perhaps NBF can "chime-in"?....*tearing* I admit, I can't put in to words, my love for our country, folks.

47 posted on 12/25/2013 9:55:37 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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Bookmark


48 posted on 12/25/2013 10:10:45 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: ClearCase_guy

>> being Bush’s right-hand man convinced many that Rove was a hard-core Conservative

A good point. But it shouldn’t be inferred that Dubya was a hard-core Conservative.


49 posted on 12/25/2013 10:18:17 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: skinkinthegrass
Newt Gingrich contemplated the landscape and dreamed of doing "the impossible." Karl Rove considers the demographics, counts up the odds, and takes counsel of his fears.

To play with a metaphor: almost alone among military and civilians in 1861, Robert E Lee believed that the war would be prolonged and difficult. The rest of his countrymen wearing both gray and blue, generally believed that a short war would be quickly won. At the outbreak of the war and for the next year Robert E. Lee was generally regarded to be a commander noted for his prudence rather than for his daring. However, even before Lee got command he recognized that the strategic landscape had to be redrawn if the Confederacy were to survive much less prevail and so he unleashed Stonewall Jackson to wage his magnificent Valley campaign of 1862 which entirely changed the dynamics on the ground in Virginia in 1862.

When Lee took command of the Army of Northern Virginia he and Jackson understood that the South must inevitably lose a war of attrition. He also understood along with Jackson that the battlefield extended beyond the presence of the enemy to the civilians who sustained the enemy and so Lee dared once again to overcome an intimidating strategic landscape. To overcome great odds, to undermine civilian morale in the North, to gain life supporting recognition from other nations abroad, Lee invaded the North and very nearly succeeded in those goals.

Next year, motivated by the same considerations and understanding that to take risks with his army was perilous, Lee also knew that the strategy of avoiding mistakes was one which made defeat ultimately unavoidable so he invaded the North again in 1863. As in 1862, Lee came close to succeeding in 1863. In the next year, 1864, on battlefield after battlefield Lee demonstrated his daring and resourcefulness in the face of daunting numbers.

By Appomattox in April 1865, no one could doubt that the Confederacy, at least in the theater in the East under the command of Robert E Lee, had done everything that could be expected of mortal men to do on behalf of their cause. Lee was not entirely perfect, notably on the last day of Gettysburg at Pickett's Charge his tactical genius eluded him but no one can deny that Robert E Lee, more than any man contending under his handicaps, did all that could be expected of him.

Time after time Lee risked his personal reputation and his army because he had integrity enough to risk his own name on behalf of of a greater cause. Four years after the war began, no one would say that Robert E Lee lacked daring or that he lacked strategic vision.

What can we say of Karl Rove? Is he daring? No. Are the demographic odds against Republicans overwhelming and must inevitably spell our defeat? Yes. Has Karl Rove conceived of a single strategy which would change the landscape, change the rules of the game, indeed, change the game itself and give Republicans a chance to save their country? No, no and no again.

Every cycle Karl Rove advances a policy of minimal risk, daring little, changing nothing. Every year our relative demographic vis-à-vis the Democrats deteriorates. What is Karl Rove's answer? To abandon one state after another to the enemy. Does he attempt to invade Yankee states and catch up the civilian population in his cause? No, because he has no cause that stirs the hearts of men, North or South, East or West.

Ludendorff once remarked of the inept Austrian army, "we are shackled to a corpse." And so the conservative movement in America is shackled to the Republican Party and the Republican Party is dying at the hands of people like Karl Rove. We have seen what imagination and originality can do against daunting odds. Newt Gingrich once showed us the way. Today, Ted Cruz Mike Lee, Rand Paul point to a new and daring strategy.

In politics as in war one is either on defense or on offense and defense is no way to win wars or elections. Karl Rove is essentially a trimmer who calls himself an architect but is really a bean counter. An architect builds but Karl Rove sets out only to cut losses and succeeds too often only in generating losses. Karl Rove protects his reputation, fills his purse, and presides over the dying spasms of a national political party.

Everyone on this thread is aware that Karl Rove is a Rino but he is also a moral coward and a man of extremely limited strategic vision. Stonewall Jackson is the man, I believe, who actually coined the phrase, "never take counsel of your fears" but Karl Rove's ears hear no other message.


50 posted on 12/26/2013 2:11:11 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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