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Boeing machinists voting on contract tied to 777X
yahoo ^ | 1/3/2014 | Manuel Valdes, Associated Press

Posted on 01/03/2014 5:49:57 PM PST by mdittmar

SEATTLE (AP) -- A contract offer to Boeing machinists that would concede some pension and health care benefits in order to secure assembly of the company's new 777X airplane in Washington state has fractured the union.

It has drawn unusual pleas from politicians who say the deal is necessary to support the Puget Sound region's economic future. Boeing has been exploring the prospect of building the 777X elsewhere, a move that could trigger a steady exodus of aerospace jobs from a region where Boeing was founded.

Local union officials, meanwhile, urged their 30,000 members to oppose the deal that members were voting on Friday, arguing that the proposal surrenders too much at a time of company profitability. They have opposed taking a vote at all but were overruled by national leaders in the Machinists union.

Voting was scheduled for 5 a.m. to 6 p.m. Results were expected to be announced later in the night.

A few hundred workers had lined up in front the union hall in Everett, located across from Boeing, to obtain ballots Friday morning. A steady stream of workers walked inside with light blue envelopes in hand.

Tina Shrader, a Boeing worker for eight years, said she was voting no.

"I don't want to mess with my pension. I'm here for my paycheck and for my pension," Shrader said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Washington
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Wonder if these union workers ever read Aesop's Fables? The Goose With the Golden Eggs comes to mind;)
1 posted on 01/03/2014 5:49:57 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
Local union officials, meanwhile, urged their 30,000 members to oppose the deal that members were voting on Friday, arguing that the proposal surrenders too much at a time of company profitability. They have opposed taking a vote at all but were overruled by national leaders in the Machinists union.

And since the local bosses are counting the ballots, what do you want to bet the membership will see the light and reject the offer?

2 posted on 01/03/2014 5:53:33 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: mdittmar

Boeing purchased McDonnell Douglas about a decade ago. Many of the old M-D production facilities are still owned by Boeing. If the machinist reject the offer, I look for Boeing to move 777X production out of Washington by January 1, 2015.


3 posted on 01/03/2014 5:54:59 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: Still Thinking
And since the local bosses are counting the ballots, what do you want to bet the membership will see the light and reject the offer?

One suspects that you are entirely correct, my FRiend, unless the acceptance vote is so lopsided that the (Obama pals) union bosses can't get away with the big con (this time).

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4 posted on 01/03/2014 6:04:30 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: mdittmar

They’ll vote it down.


5 posted on 01/03/2014 6:09:32 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: mdittmar

politicians: how will we be able to tax all of you more if you don’t keep working here?


6 posted on 01/03/2014 6:12:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: mdittmar
Boeing has offered to keep the 777X in the region but sought two big deals: An extension of tax breaks all the way to 2040 and a new contract with the Machinists union that would move workers out of a traditional pension and into a 401(k)-style retirement savings plan.

Seems more like a fight to see who controls the pension fund. Does anyone know how it works.

7 posted on 01/03/2014 6:15:26 PM PST by Fzob (Jesus + anything = nothing, Jesus + nothing = everything)
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To: blueunicorn6

They’ll vote it down.

then they will demand Obama Admin force Boeing to give in


8 posted on 01/03/2014 6:18:20 PM PST by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

The LB facility is a fraction of its former self (and sitting on a couple billion dollars worth of land). Nobody would consider moving this kind of work INTO California.


9 posted on 01/03/2014 6:24:04 PM PST by djwright (Inpeach Teleprompter)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

The unions are counting on their friends in the NLRB to prevent Boeing from moving their production to another state.


10 posted on 01/03/2014 6:32:52 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: molson209
"I don't want to mess with my pension. I'm here for my paycheck and for my pension," Shrader said.

If the no vote wins she will have neither.

11 posted on 01/03/2014 6:33:06 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The NLRB will be told a second time to Go To HELL.


12 posted on 01/03/2014 6:43:45 PM PST by G Larry
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To: USNBandit

My view of this situation is, let the workers swallow the union poison pill, move the assembly plant to South Carolina and hire people that are happy when they are putting (the airplane that I would fly) the 777X, together. Seattle doesn’t deserve a company like Boeing, they should have Chrysler or GM!!


13 posted on 01/03/2014 6:47:30 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: Fzob
FOX Business News commentator said the union workers would be far better off monetarily taking the 401K route as apposed to the traditional union contract. It's the union that doesn't want to loose control of the union member pensions.
14 posted on 01/03/2014 6:47:49 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: mdittmar

Many years ago, my mother was a member of the machinists union. She was injured on the job...an explosion damaged her hand seriously.....she was on disability for whatever time was allowed.....she came off disability months short of qualifying for her pension and was denied benefits forever....they can stick it up theis whatevers....I hope they all vote against reality and then FACE IT.


15 posted on 01/03/2014 6:49:26 PM PST by terycarl
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To: mdittmar

Time to play the Final Jeopardy song as the ballots are counted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3lLYOGDsts


16 posted on 01/03/2014 6:53:50 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Long lines this time,gotta verify they are legal to vote.


17 posted on 01/03/2014 7:01:07 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

I’m pretty sure illegals, the dead, and other dis-allowed individuals will be voting!


18 posted on 01/03/2014 7:08:53 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: mdittmar

Does anyone know when the vote tally will be released? One story I read said “Later tonight”, but what does that mean? 1:00 am or 5:00am.


19 posted on 01/03/2014 7:27:28 PM PST by Wingy
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To: Cold Heart
"It's the union that doesn't want to loose control of the union member pensions."

I wonder why:


20 posted on 01/03/2014 7:28:07 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: terycarl

Ex Teamsters here. When I was let go by a certain company many years ago, those bastards didn’t help my group one bit. I hate any labor union in any form.


21 posted on 01/03/2014 7:37:14 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I wouldn’t doubt that.


22 posted on 01/03/2014 7:41:30 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: mdittmar
I hope they turn it down. I want to see Boeing move elsewhere and prosper... this country needs to remain strong in this field.

If those greedy Seattle idiots don't want to be a part of it, there are plenty of other Americans who do.

23 posted on 01/03/2014 7:41:50 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: mdittmar

Does anyone know if the union voted the contract down?


24 posted on 01/03/2014 9:08:19 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Yes...the union LOST and was not happy about it either. 51/49 vote. So barely lost. But they did lose and I am happy as I live here and it will not plunge the whole area into a depression. The union guy showed his face on TV for 45 seconds and ran off without answering a single question.


25 posted on 01/04/2014 1:12:07 AM PST by tinamina
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To: mdittmar
Local union officials, meanwhile, urged their 30,000 members to oppose the deal that members were voting on Friday, arguing that the proposal surrenders too much at a time of company profitability.

Want your profitability governed so it doesn't become "excessive"? Let a union in.

26 posted on 01/04/2014 4:25:20 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: mdittmar
"I don't want to mess with my pension. I'm here for my paycheck and for my pension," Shrader said.

Actually having the job that provides both is optional.

27 posted on 01/04/2014 6:24:18 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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