Skip to comments.An Unholy Alliance Is Forcing Veterans To Pay For 12 Years Of War
Posted on 01/06/2014 4:32:25 PM PST by SkyPilot
Led by Paul Ryan and Patty Murray but abetted by Barack Obama, Congress recently gambled with our nations future for an extremely modest short-term gain.
In doing so, it was given aid and comfort by knowledge-starved pundits, axe-grinding editorial boards, and self-anointed armchair analysts everywhere, as it left the military and veteran community standing with their jaws on the ground in despairing disbelief. Exploiting pressure to strike a budget compromise, Ryan and Murray entered into an unholy alliance to reduce veteran pensions including those already vested under previous covenants by an average of $84,000 to $120,000.
They obscured this act, as often happens when attempting to mislead, by employing complex-sounding budget doublespeak to minimize the magnitude of the associated moral breach as well as the consequences to veterans and families. In a way, this debacle can be seen as part of our nations continual inability to comprehend and bear the costs of being a global superpower with quasi-imperial interests secured by less than one-half of one percent of its population. But the particulars in this case suggest something more disturbing lurking behind the standard wallet-grabbing Congressional milieu: a startling absence of strategic deliberation. When such a deficit impairs elected leaders responsible for national security, potentially grave consequences attend.
Good strategists always ask of any potential course of action two key questions. First, what will this do for us? And second, what will this do to us? Given the dearth of statesmanly impulse at the national level in modern America, it is perhaps unsurprising that in crafting the recent budget, Paul Ryan and Patty Murray asked only the former question, leaving the latter for others to worry about.
The provision at issue retroactively renegotiated the deferred compensation of more than two million military veterans...
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"The shorthand employed by Ryan to sell his beloved pension cut envisions healthy, well-adjusted, fattened mercenaries stepping into corporate America to collect millions during the balance of their working years.
How he arrived at this vision boggles the imagination; most retirees struggle to integrate into a new workplace with skills that dont directly translate while trying to keep pace with competitors roughly half their age. 73% of retirees are noncommissioned officers whose pensions are barely sufficient to keep them above the poverty line. As a rule of thumb, these people are figures of sympathy rather than valid targets of the socialistic they dont need it anyway notion behind Ryans sales pitch.....It was a calculated breach of the faith for short-term political advantage. Ryan, Murray, Obama, Hagel, and the rest of those who pushed and supported this knew they were acting immorally, but were willing to accept doing so out of a rational calculation of what it would do for them.
May God help us. If this injustice cannot be corrected, and quickly, we really don't have a nation that is worth defending any longer.
The person on the left is Paul Ryan. The expression on his face resulted from straddling a fence that turned out to be an electric one. His pants were already wet.
Thus, our, ah, "leaders". God help America.
I don’t think governments should lightly break contracted obligations with even municipal workers. But this is not only doubly immoral towards those who bore the burdens of war, it is foolishly injurious to the continued viability of a volunteer military.
This is wrong.
I’ve kinda taken notice how public sector (aka GUBMINT bureaKaRATZ) union THUG pensions ARE NOT EVEN ON THE TABLE.
You know, the Taj Mahal pensions with FREE health care, STEEP COLA INCREASES, and all the other STUFF that a faithful RATZ “DESERVES.”
You know, after their 4 hour days and 22 hour work weeks when they TOILED TIRELESSLY for the poor, pathetic pukes known as TAXPAYERS.
(In their cancerous minds they really do believe that they are the ANSWER to stupid Americans who really don’t “understand” gubmint, and just what the hell is “good” for them.)
Their answer to vets? “HEY, YO, STUPID! NYA, NYA, you did the hard work, now YOU pay for it, you IDIOTS! LOL. AND OH, BTW, KEEP YER DAMN DIRTY, WARMONGERING HANDS OFF OUR ENSHRINED PENSIONS!!”
Bureaucracy and bureauKaRATZ are PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE of the Republic.
Paul Ryan is a loser Eddie Munster. To think I used to defend the backstabbing idiot.
My COLA for 2014 is only 1.5 percent for my modest federal pension and for a couple years there, we weren’t getting any COLA. Not eligible for SS because my time was federal and even if I did eventually get my 40 quarters after working some crappy lowpaying job which is all that’s out there for most people, the Government Pension Offset would take 60 percent of it because the government doesn’t want us to double dip. Respectfully, why should I care about military vets - government is saying they’re double dipping.
We have the money and we care enough to do this.
We can step around the government.
There is nothing to stop us...it is perfectly legal.
It is immoral and dispicable to ask us Veterans to take a cut, while ever expanding the welfare state. America is damned should this continue. The tree of liberty needs to be watered soon.
Just asking.....if a pension cut of $120,000 for a single person, what is the actual size of the overall pension?
If it’s 5% that translates into a pension of value of $2.4M per veteran.
If that’s true, doesn’t that seem a bit excessive?
One thing is for sure is we can’t afford to make every federal, military, state, and municipal retiree a millionaire, or do y’all really think you’re worth it?
Care of our vets should be the first thing to fund and should never be cut.
our military members take an oath, “support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic...” they’re supposed to obey the orders of the President (an 0Bama instituted change to the oath).... it appears that our military folks are supposed to obey the orders of the President and to hell with the constitution... they’re getting a kick in the head from the President and the Congress... loyalty should go BOTH ways...
Perfect time and reason to get rid of McConnell, Boehner, and The clown in texas who wants to attack the Tea Party.
Imagine a Soldier having to protect the “Blowhard In Chief” from the weather. God help Us.
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The first law introduced in this matter is mandatory attendance at military funerals. It would work like jury duty. One hundred American citizens would be required to attend every military funeral. There would be no excused absences. The Soldier didn’t get an excused absence when he/she died. They would be required to shake the widow’s/mother’s hand. They can look them and the kids in the eye and tell them how the veterans are overpaid.
I read this a couple of days ago. Excellent summary of what’s happening here.
Why, yes.....sitting in an air conditioned federal office drinking a latte and discussing Oprah’s latest show is EXACTLY like moving out under fire.
“My COLA for 2014 is only 1.5 percent for my modest federal pension... Respectfully, why should I care about military vets - government is saying theyre double dipping.”
I don’t know whether you left off a “/sarc” tag or not. If not, I’m sure that just as this subject legislation applies to ALL military members (both CURRENT and future) and retirees similar legislation needs to be passed to apply it to ALL current federal employees AND FEDERAL RETIREES. For federal retirees the 1% annual reduction in the yearly COLA should be applied for the first twenty years following the legislation’s enactment or the employee’s year of retirement (whichever is later). This 20 year 1% annual COLA reduction will be in addition to any other reduction that may apply.
Surely you’ll agree with this in the same spirit in which you have no care about our military retirees’ reductions. Write your congressman now and demand this. Hell, maybe it can be used to pay for an extension of unemployment benefits.
As one of those filthy retired Veterans, let me make it clear again. If my country needs some of my COLA to survive,then I’ll go down to the IRS and write a check on top of it. That’s not what this theft from retired Veterans is about. Nobody’s taxes go down. The deficit doesn’t go down. The budget isn’t balanced. It’s not even an attempt at any of this. This “compromise” budget was Ryan and Murray taking money from retired Veterans to give to HEADSTART and Education TO BUY VOTES FOR THE DEMOCRAT PARTY. It was never about helping our nation. It is about helping the Democrat party.
Since money is of no concern to you, please send everything you have to Free Republic. It’s only your money, so who cares?
Remind me about how much time Mr. Obama, Rep. Ryan and Sen. Murray spent in uniform.
“The shorthand employed by Ryan to sell his beloved pension cut envisions healthy, well-adjusted, fattened mercenaries ...”
But he forgot about the ones who had lost arms, legs, paralyzed, etc., you know the ones that are significantly less than healthy, well-adjusted, fattened, etc. with no possibility of stepping into corporate America or anywhere for that matter.
And besides, why am I seeing ads on TV everyday for Paralyzed Veterans, Wounded Warriors, etc. doing VA’s job?
Understanding Military Retirement Pay
“Since money is of no concern to you, please send everything you have to Free Republic. Its only your money, so who cares?”
So should taxpayers (like me) make every federal, military, state, and municipal retiree a millionaire (like you, maybe)?
I’m just asking.
I already know that we can’t afford it, but I’m just wondering about folks expectations.
So should taxpayers (like me) make every federal, military, state, and municipal retiree a millionaire?
I’m just asking, too. I’ve already posted that I’m a filthy retired Veteran. Please list your name and employer with address. Then, we can all write and let them know you don’t need any money and especially no retirement. We’re your buddies. If you want to be free with my money, I’ll be free with yours.
Not sure what to think. Obviously I don’t like the idea of a pension I am planning on changing. On the other hand, I do hear the old guys talking about retiring at 40 and getting a federal job to get two pensions.
Don’t you think a multi-million dollar retirement package is excessive for federal, military, municipal, or state retirees?
It’s like Detroit on a national level.
Finding those who are willing to do the work at cost and not skim will be hard. Always check the give rate on any charity. There are untrustworthy groups using vets now. Charity is not something anyone likes to ask for. The problem is they were promised these benefits by the people, by us. We have to get together and fight for them now.
Since federal, military, municipal, and state retirees all require present year taxpayer funds (and funds to be borrowed to make up the difference) to be taken in order to get paid, I ask again:
Should federal, military municipal, and state retirees be awarded multi-million dollar pensions?
If you are worth it, just say so.
Nevertheless, we can’t afford it, and can’t pay it. It’s just a financial fact.
So what do we do? Pretend that it isn’t true?
Can’t afford it? There are about 50 million on food stamps, millions on TANF, millions in Section 8 housing and many millions in other welfare programs. Until all those programs are kaput, I don’t want to hear a peep out of you or anyone else about cutting veteran’s benefits of any kind. Comprende?!
So should federal, military, municipal, or state employees be awarded multi-million dollar pensions?
Isn’t a multi-million dollar pension excessive for federal, military, state and municipal employees though?
An E-6, probably the most common retiree, makes around $1,500 a month before taxes. Do the math. Is there a million dollars there?
With cola’s and med benefits, of course there is.
Now where do you think that money comes from?
Most likely, like most folks who get a check from government the answer is “i don’t care as long as it keeps coming”.
So you’re “fiscal only” and damn the troops conservative? I’ve met your kind before, both here and in real life. I have no use for you people. Crawl back to where you came from. Next war, I’ll be pinging you to enlist, got it?
You do know that those “med benefits” were supposed to be free and are now just a bad insurance policy that the retiree has to pay for, like Obamacare, right? And the COLAs are usually around 1%? There is no million dollars there unless the individual lives to be 245 years old, if then...
The article is not clear on the matter of retired pay.
The figure of $120,000 is for the entire lifetime payout, not per year.
No one is becoming a millionaire on US Military retirement benefits. I guess most of us are thousandaires, though.
“The figure of $120,000 is for the entire lifetime payout, not per year.”
Yes, so if it were a 5% reduction that translates to a $2.4M retirement package.
“So youre fiscal only and damn the troops conservative?”
No, I’m an American, and a veteran. Is that ok with you?
“You do know that those med benefits were supposed to be free and are now just a bad insurance policy that the retiree has to pay for”
You do know that what you pay for your medical as a retiree is a mere small fraction of what other Americans pay for their insurance, don’t you?
You will still bitch until someone takes care of every little thing, won’t you?
We’ve already funded the retirement of retirees. The military may have the only pension fund that has been fully funded with no sign of going in the black. And while I would cheerfully still be in the military, that wasn’t an option - by law.
Military retirement is a deferred payment plan. And since relatively few stay in 20+ years, it is cheap - a pension fund where only those staying in for 20 years or more collect, and where the duty is such that people rarely stay in that long.
And the bottom line is that it was fully funded during the time we were in.
Now Congress wants to raid the pension fund. By cutting payments, it can say the fund is overfunded, and transfer money from that account into current spending - on tax rebates to illegals who didn’t pay taxes, or Obama phones, or the Dept of Education, or anything else that buys votes.
Maybe you don’t think that is corrupt. I do. If an “evil corporation” did that, the CEO would go to jail. Military pensions have been fully funded. Period. This is Congress raiding it, so they can spend that $600 million each year on Hispanic voters, or on welfare moms.
And anyone in the military needs to look at what Congress is doing to current retirees, even when there is no shortfall, and learn how much modern Americans - including a lot of Freepers, it seems - value their service. I used to strongly recommend young people consider the military as an option. No longer. My 16 year old daughter is the only family member without military service. Recruiters ought to LOVE me and my family. But no more...
Heck! If the people on FreeRepublic don’t care, who will?
For a 2.4 million total retirement package, I’ll have to live until I’m 98. And I’m one of the highest paid military retirees around.
Now, explain what good things the Congress is going to do with this $600 Million each year. Cut the deficit? Reduce taxes? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This has one function, and one only - to punish those the Democrats dislike, and reward those they do. And the idiots in the GOP think it is swell...:>(
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