And I just starting to experiment with E-Cigs now.
Screw you Mr. Revenuer.
Posted on 01/07/2014 6:18:03 AM PST by Hoodat
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I am here in New York and besides smuggling there is another way. I am not sure of the details but I think pipe tobacco is not taxed at the same rate as cigarette tobacco. A carton costs about 80 to 90 bucks of brand name butts. There are two places around me that sell cartons for 40 bucks. You pick your tobacco and they load it into a rolling machine and you sit there and place them in a carton. The cigarettes don’t seem to have all the chemicals of brand names but they are just as good and it’s pure tobacco, sort of healthy free range smokes at half the cost.
The large Rolling Machines are now illegal since 2013...when the tobacco company’s fought owners of these machines since so many people were changing over from store bought brands..... The tobacco industry claimed the businesses who had these machines were ‘manufacturing’ cigarettes....Tobacco Comany’s won the case and all these machines have been removed or stored from these businesses.
You can still buy the roll your own machines, but businesses that roll them for you are now illegal.
A couple of people at work roll their own now, using pipe tobacco, and say it costs them about $20 for the tobacco.... which includes the tube costs....gives them ‘3 plus cartoons’. Saving thousands a year they said.
They both claim the first thing they noticed was they stopped coughing mornings....supposedly because there are no chemicals in the tobacco they use.
No, we don't.
“I’ll be planting 200 for the spring. This one just showed up, and I’ve let it live, mainly for grins.”
200!!!
OK. Now I’ll ask the punchline question: do you even smoke?
Legal as church on Sunday, if I produce for my own use and don't sell it.
No extra chemicals, no pesticides, no tax man... all of which are dangerous.
/johnny
I half expected you to say you didn’t even smoke :-)
How much tobacco does one plant produce? How difficult is it to grow? It looks like a fancy cabbage to me.
I don’t smoke, but I have half a mind to someday start growing and curing. Just so I can give it away. I like so-called “sin” taxes about as much as I like gun control...
...and I really don’t like gun control.
It's not hard to grow. Tobacco hornworms love it, so I squish them twice a day to keep from using pesticides.
I overplant everything to ensure I get what I need. If I have a good year, great. If I have a crappy year, at least I get something. Except last year, when tomatoes bombed on me.
/johnny
Have you tried dusting with dipel? Dipel is about the only thing I can use on my garden (I’m a beekeeper). It’s a bacteria that kills all sorts of caterpillars. Non-toxic to humans and bees. It washes off just fine.
Wow on the tobacco crop. Is curing it all that difficult?
Curing is a chore, and takes lots of room and time.
Since I'm single, I strung paracord near the ceiling all over the house, and hang my tobacco inside.
Most married men couldn't get away with that. ;)
/johnny
Dipel works well on tomato hornworms and pretty much any caterpillar type bugs. It’s apparently works on tobacco worms too. I don’t mind squashing, but it takes time I don’t have.
I doubt I’d get away with curing tobacco inside. But I get away with the beehives, the brewing, and plenty of other quirks and hobbies so I can’t complain.
Does curing the leaves emit an odor inside your house?
Can a dehydrator be used? (I’m sure this will magnify the tobacco scent! )
I had my husband put hooks in the ceilings of our spare bedroom and the crafting room. They are about 2 feet from the walls and cover both ceilings with the same spacing for maximum coverage. In the fall, tobacco leaves are hanging in both rooms. I have to crouch a little to get something out of the rooms. ;) Tobacco grows fine in northern Idaho. We smoke outside, have for decades. We did not want our children, and now grandsons, to “smoke” too.
Btw, according to the insurance tables, I gain one year of life, from the estimated 93 years to 94 years. Great-grandma was almost 100, grandma and great-aunt, too. Both smoked.
I had surgery a few years ago. I lied on the form. The Dr was amazed at how fast and well I healed. That was when I told him the truth. The last check-up with another Dr she said my lungs and breathing capacity was excellent. I told her I grow my own. She said the studies do not cover those who smoke “clean” tobasco. The US companies have been putting additives in for many decades.
I want a pipe in case tubes become a problem.
The place I go to has two of these large roiling machines. They add tobacco and place in tubes and you roll your own by putting the finished product back into the box the tubes came from.
/johnny
I know about having to crouch to get through a room with leaves hanging. When the leaves are almost 2 ft long, they hang down pretty low.
/johnny
Understand..but they are doing so illegally if they are running them. The business who had these running in my area now has removed them altogether.
I understand for a time the machines were simply not used as the Tobacco Companies were being opposed in the courts by the business people who had these operating in their stores. But once the Tobacco companies won, (last year) all large rolling machines had to be removed.
And I just starting to experiment with E-Cigs now.
Screw you Mr. Revenuer.
Thanks!
I guess I failed tobacco 101.
I plan to grow my own this summer so I best start studying.
Very interesting. Thanks for the info. It did surprise me they could even open that type of business. I’ll see how long they can stay open.
....but at the heart of it was raising tax's on pipe tobacco equivalent to cigarette tobacco. Congress more than doubled the federal excise tax on cigarettes, and, to bring RYO tobacco in line with packaged smokes, raised the tax on RYO tobacco from $1.10 a pound to $24.78 a pound....how long could any stay in business with just the increase in tax....not to mention getting manufacturing license's and all the regulations to meet a manufacturing company.
In this the tobacco company fared very well as most had to go out of business as they were mom and pop businesses. Without the machines and the increase in tax's they couldn't afford to remain open...not to mention putting people out of work.
Government, along with the tobacco Industries demands..put the little guys out of business...in order for them to gain the tax revenues and stop the competition which indeed was taking business from the big cigarette companies.
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