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What Pope Francis Can Teach the GOP
The Daily Beast ^ | 01/07/2014 | Sally Kohn

Posted on 01/07/2014 2:16:49 PM PST by SeekAndFind

With his softer message on gay and divorced families, the pope has figured out what the Republicans haven’t grasped—you’ve got to tone it down if you want to keep a modern flock.

When the Catholic Church eclipses the Republican Party on social policy, it’s time to start looking skyward for frogs. Yesterday, when the Vatican released the pope's latest statement offering a softer tone toward the gay community than pontiffs in the past, it suggested that the Catholic Church may have figured out what the Republican Party hasn’t yet grasped—that the fading of the institution’s flock can only truly be addressed by reversing some of the fading norms driving the flock from the fold.

And so you have, just to pick one example, failed Virginia Republican gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli saying about gay rights, “I cannot support something that I believe brings nothing but self-destruction, not only physically but of their soul.” Versus Pope Francis saying, “If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?"

Now Pope Francis has gone a step further, expressing compassion for gay families as well as families of divorce, both of which are perennial Republican targets in their puritanical and antiquated push for conservative morality. “How can we proclaim Christ to a generation that is changing?” the pope reportedly said. “We must be careful not to administer a vaccine against faith to them.” Or voting! Step aside, Reince Priebus. The pope’s words offer some wisdom for the sagging and outdated GOP.

(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gop; popefrancis

1 posted on 01/07/2014 2:16:49 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

saw the name Sally Kohn and stopped right there....


2 posted on 01/07/2014 2:20:46 PM PST by MissH
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To: SeekAndFind
When the Catholic Church eclipses the Republican Party on social policy, it’s time to start looking skyward for frogs. Yesterday, when the Vatican released the pope's latest statement offering a softer tone toward the gay community than pontiffs in the past, it suggested that the Catholic Church may have figured out what the Republican Party hasn’t yet grasped—that the fading of the institution’s flock can only truly be addressed by reversing some of the fading norms driving the flock from the fold.

Official numbers released by the bishops appear to show that the Catholic "flock" isn't fading, but steadily growing. If that's truly the case, why would Francis want to reverse anything?

3 posted on 01/07/2014 2:21:33 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: MissH

She knows zip about either Catholicism or conservatism. Not that the GOP is conservative but you get the point.


4 posted on 01/07/2014 2:25:06 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: SeekAndFind

“What Pope Francis Can Teach the GOP”

How to use the “bad translators” excuse to cover their policies...?


5 posted on 01/07/2014 2:26:52 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: SeekAndFind

She’s got man’s hands!


6 posted on 01/07/2014 2:27:05 PM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: SeekAndFind

"Hi! I'm Sally Kohn, and I'm a progressive activist. I.e., a jerk."

7 posted on 01/07/2014 2:27:26 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SeekAndFind

sally satan huh.


8 posted on 01/07/2014 2:27:37 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: MissH
saw the name Sally Kohn and stopped right there....

I made it to you’ve got to tone it down before my nausea started!

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9 posted on 01/07/2014 2:29:14 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: SeekAndFind

When Sally Kohn starts supporting this Pope, this Pope has PR problems.


10 posted on 01/07/2014 2:31:30 PM PST by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: SeekAndFind

When has communism/socialism/leftism been “modern”??


11 posted on 01/07/2014 2:31:49 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Alex Murphy

I think the tone is clear but needs more amplification from Pope Francis. The money quote is taken out of context with the question asked. But it is unfortunate that the Pope can’t see how these things would be seen for other than what they are.

Several of my more liberal mainline friends are constantly posting meme’s with that money quote. I am constantly correcting them.

For those who really just aren’t getting my soft explanations, I post this from the man was named man of the year by a homosexual magazine...

“Gay marriage is a machination of the Father of Lies to deceive the children of God.”- Pope Francis


12 posted on 01/07/2014 2:32:18 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: TLI

RE: expressing compassion for gay families as well as families of divorce

How do you express compassion to someone whose lifestyle is destructive to their health and to society at large?

A) Tell them their lifestyle is acceptable to God

B) Tell them the truth about what God says in His word?


13 posted on 01/07/2014 2:32:39 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Churches in all denominations have work to do fixing things but listening to The Daily Beast isn’t one of them.


14 posted on 01/07/2014 2:33:11 PM PST by Zathras
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Yeah, getting ushered by the flock is the way to lead...


15 posted on 01/07/2014 2:33:12 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: rbmillerjr

RE: “Gay marriage is a machination of the Father of Lies to deceive the children of God.”- Pope Francis

In what writing did Francis write this? Or was it a direct quote from him? If so, to whom did he make the statement and when and where?


16 posted on 01/07/2014 2:34:20 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: rbmillerjr

Never mind my question. I found the quote from, of all sources, THE DAILY BEAST ( which published this article from Sally Kohn ).

Here it is:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/13/introducing-pope-francis-i-your-new-papa.html

EXCERPT:

Catholics hoping for a pope with a new attitude towards homosexuality may be disappointed with Bergoglio. He opposed legislation introduced in 2010 by the Argentine government to allow same-sex marriage, writing in a letter to the monasteries of Buenos Aires: “Let’s not be naive, we’re not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

Not surprisingly, he’s also anti-abortion.

But Bergoglio has a more liberal view on contraception, which he has said may be used to prevent the spread of disease. He has also demonstrated compassion for AIDS victims, washing and kissing the feet of 12 patients in a hospice in 2001.


17 posted on 01/07/2014 2:36:46 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

In a July 2010 letter to Carmelite nuns of Buenos Aires, then-Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio asked them to pray for the defeat of a gay marriage bill and criticized it in strong language.

“Let’s not be naïve: This is a not simple political struggle, but an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill but a move of the Father of Lies, who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God,” he wrote.


18 posted on 01/07/2014 2:37:36 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: rbmillerjr

I also found this :

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2010/jul/10070902

Homosexual ‘Marriage’ is a Machination of the Devil, Argentinean Cardinal Warns

EXCERPT:

To the clergy of the parishes, Bergoglio requests that all of them read from the pulpits a declaration defending the true definition and understanding of marriage.

“The Argentinean people will have to confront, in the coming weeks, a situation whose result could gravely injure the family. We are speaking of a bill regarding marriage between people of the same sex,” a bill that calls into question “the identity, and the survival of the family: father, mother, and children.” The latter, warns Bergoglio, might also be threatened by homosexual adoption, which would be a true form of discrimination.


19 posted on 01/07/2014 2:39:29 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Limbaugh bragged the other day that he was the only one in the country that could make the Pope popular with lefties.


20 posted on 01/07/2014 2:39:46 PM PST by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind
Mark 16:15-16 commands us to PREACH

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The Pope wants to be able to preach the gospel to every creature, as he has been commanded. You can't get the butt bandits or carpet munchers to LISTEN if your tone is not conciliatory.

The Pope knows his duty is to preach.... and God's prerogative is to damn those that refuse to listen.

21 posted on 01/07/2014 2:52:02 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: rbmillerjr
it is unfortunate that the Pope can’t see how these things would be seen for other than what they are

I think the Pope can speak for himself. And has on numerous occasions. One quote does not prove a case, but he hasn't provided just one quote.

22 posted on 01/07/2014 2:55:23 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: SeekAndFind

That didn’t take long for these people to usurp the Pope for the promotion of their sinful lifestyle.


23 posted on 01/07/2014 2:55:32 PM PST by dila813
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To: SeekAndFind

Well I sure wanna know what Sully Konehead thinks about an institution she knows absolutely nothing about, but despises anyway, and I SURE wanna hear her interpretation of what this Pope says.

Like watching someone grasping at dust particles in a sunbeam, seeking some simple, reasonable kindness the Pope utters into a liberal cause. Ick.


24 posted on 01/07/2014 2:58:38 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What the bible can teach leftists-

It rewards investment
If one doesn’t work one doesn’t eat
The poor will always be with us
Charity is good.
Sexual sin is condemned
Coveting your neighbors wealth is bad.


25 posted on 01/07/2014 3:03:30 PM PST by RginTN
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To: SeekAndFind

The idea that the GOP so hard-edged in its messaging is so out of whack as to question the author’s sanity. The GOP has NO messaging, hard-edged, soft-edged or round. The GOP is the only political party in the world that believes that no messaging is the way to win elections. They couldn’t argue their way out of a soaking wet paper bag.


26 posted on 01/07/2014 3:08:58 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Pope can go pound sand!


27 posted on 01/07/2014 3:18:24 PM PST by stockpirate (It appears good men have decided to do nothing, so evil is prevailing......)
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To: Cicero

That’s a man, baby!


28 posted on 01/07/2014 3:46:57 PM PST by Bigg Red (Let the lying lips be dumb, which speak insolently against the righteous in pride and contempt.--Ps3)
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To: Alex Murphy

See posts 18 and 19.


29 posted on 01/07/2014 3:50:34 PM PST by Bigg Red (Let the lying lips be dumb, which speak insolently against the righteous in pride and contempt.--Ps3)
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To: MissH

I saw The Daily Beast and stopped right there. Then I looked for the “barf alert” and it wasn’t there.


30 posted on 01/07/2014 3:52:57 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: SeekAndFind

This Marxist from Argentina, and Time’s man of the year, might teach Catholic Democrats and Catholics in the GOP something, but for us conservative Protestants who know their Bible, he can go pound sand.


31 posted on 01/07/2014 4:02:57 PM PST by sasportas
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To: sasportas

“And so you have, just to pick one example, failed Virginia Republican gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli saying about gay rights, “I cannot support something that I believe brings nothing but self-destruction, not only physically but of their soul.” Versus Pope Francis saying, “If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?”

The lady is a dimwit. Both Cuccinelli and Pope are correct. The Pope says that in the event (very rare) that a gay person is willing to seek the Lord with good will and wants to give up his gay lifestyle, then the Pope is not going to reject him out of hand.


32 posted on 01/07/2014 4:43:58 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; SeekAndFind; darkangel82; Alex Murphy
Oh geez, AMPU, this article is so bogus.

Here's what happened: Pope Francis was talking to Catholic educators about the need to reach children who are living in sad, distorted situations. As one of his examples, he lamented this little girl who told her teacher she was sad because "my mother's girlfriend doesn't love me."

So the Pope says we have to find a way to address this little girl's suffering because of the lovelessness of the lesbian household she's growing up in, and the media says he's therefore "taking a softer tone" and supporting gay marriage or something?

When Bergoglio/Francis is on record as saying that gay marriage is a diabolical arrangement?!

Jimmy Akin, as usual, has something sensible to say about this(Link)

33 posted on 01/07/2014 5:46:16 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into Him who is the Head, into Christ.")
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To: sasportas

“This Marxist from Argentina, and Time’s man of the year, might teach Catholic Democrats and Catholics in the GOP something, but for us conservative Protestants who know their Bible, he can go pound sand.”

If conservative Protestants knew their Bible, they’d not have to deselect verses they don’t like, or entire books. And of course, they’d be Catholics.


34 posted on 01/07/2014 5:56:06 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

:-) I agree entirely with you. I’m just having fun to cope with all these pope postings on FR.


35 posted on 01/07/2014 6:19:59 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: sasportas
Of interest to you, I think:

#33

36 posted on 01/07/2014 6:28:01 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Him we live, and move, and have our being.. for we are also His children." Acts 17:28)
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To: MissH

I agree. When I saw “Sally Kohn” was the author, I did not put much credence in her writing. And, anyway, who is she to write about the Catholic Church anyway? With her name, I doubt very much that she is Catholic or even Christian. I could be wrong.

Whatever - her thought process is that the church ought to operate like a political party, that is, take a poll and see where the wind is coming from, then set your dogma accordingly.

What great faith ever survived by pandering to the whims of the people?


37 posted on 01/07/2014 6:42:48 PM PST by Gumdrop
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