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Semper Fail: The sad reality is the majority of female Marine recruits fail fitness test
FrontPage Mag ^ | 01/10/2014 | Arnold Ahlert

Posted on 01/10/2014 8:35:24 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: clintonh8r

My Commandant was Al Gray. Don’t know what’s happened since then.


21 posted on 01/10/2014 9:37:20 AM PST by real saxophonist (The revolution will not be televised. Everything else will.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

I love women fighters in the movies. The combat is agile, even cat like, and is fun to watch. My wife thinks women fighters in the movies are stupid and constantly reminds me that the ability to fight is likely no match for being 50lbs lighter than your opponent.


22 posted on 01/10/2014 9:37:44 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: BwanaNdege

Amos has made poor command decisions, including influencing legal proceedings. In addition, the details, such as physical requirements of the women in combat MOSs directive was left to the individual services.


23 posted on 01/10/2014 9:39:49 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: real saxophonist

My first was Gen. Chapman.


24 posted on 01/10/2014 9:41:16 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Postponing the standard also appears to contradict a 1993 federal law by which the Secretary of Defense “shall ensure that qualification of members of the Armed Forces for, and continuance of members of the Armed Forces in, that occupational career field is evaluated on the basis of common, relevant performance standards ...

If I recall correctly this is when we had to start submitting weekly reports on our exercise schedule. For submariners that meant spending an extra five minutes every Friday lying on another useless form on top of the 80 plus hours a week we already worked while in port.

25 posted on 01/10/2014 9:44:10 AM PST by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: BwanaNdege

The entire JCS should have resigned years ago. Too late now. FUBARaq has managed to coup-proof the Pentagon.


26 posted on 01/10/2014 9:44:34 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: clintonh8r
FUBARaq has managed to coup-proof the Pentagon.

The General/Flag Officer Corps has been reduced to a bunch of Courtney Massengales.

27 posted on 01/10/2014 9:52:05 AM PST by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: Kartographer

Action movies provide a nice break from reality, don’t they.


28 posted on 01/10/2014 9:57:02 AM PST by Hulka
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To: SeekAndFind

Just a side note:

The ability to do multiple pull-ups sometimes has little to do with carrying heavy loads. I have seen big strong guys who could barely do one pull-up...or climb a rope on the obstacle course, but you know they could easily carry someone.

And then there are the light skinny people who can do lots of pull-ups, but cannot carry much.

That being said, everybody in the military should be able to do at least 3 pull-ups.


29 posted on 01/10/2014 10:00:02 AM PST by Drawsing (Fools show their annoyance at once, the prudent man overlooks an insult. Proverbs 12:16)
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To: Kartographer

Jeanette Goldstein


30 posted on 01/10/2014 10:17:39 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: clintonh8r

“Weak Link” by Brian Michel is an excellent read regarding women in combat roles.

Documents the slipping of standards all in the name of being PC.

Book was published in the 80’s.


31 posted on 01/10/2014 10:25:12 AM PST by Hulka
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To: clintonh8r
Has the Marine Corps ever had a more inept commandant than General James F. Amos?
The name PX Kelly comes to mind right away, but I'd have to do more research to refresh the details.
32 posted on 01/10/2014 10:25:37 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Night Hides Not

Excellent reference. . .


33 posted on 01/10/2014 10:25:58 AM PST by Hulka
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To: laweeks

Exactly. Obama had destroying the military high on his list.

Oprah and Obama both agreed that the “only way to change America was to DESTROY IT.”

We need to be done with ZERO and the crowds he flies in for his planned TV speeches. He makes Hitler look like a good guy.


34 posted on 01/10/2014 10:30:24 AM PST by Lumper20
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To: SeekAndFind

“Semper Fail: The sad reality is the majority of female Marine recruits fail fitness test”

What’s so sad about it? God created man and woman.
Since time and memorial men have been the warriors, and in recent years our ultra libs have sought to change that perception which will ultimately fail.


35 posted on 01/10/2014 10:34:30 AM PST by kenmcg
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To: Night Hides Not

Once an Eagle, I presume. Massengale had faults but PC wasn’t one of them. What we’ve got now is far worse.


36 posted on 01/10/2014 10:50:35 AM PST by Mach9
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To: SeekAndFind

Leftists have hated the military since 1968. Now that they are running the Pentagon, it shows. They dont give a hoot about performance standards or achieving results, all they want is their doctrine in place, regardless of who it kills.


37 posted on 01/10/2014 10:51:30 AM PST by armydawg505
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To: Mach9
Once an Eagle, I presume. Massengale had faults but PC wasn’t one of them. What we’ve got now is far worse.

You are correct. The era covered by the novel was prior to the advent of political correctness, but I can only surmise that Court would have excelled.

38 posted on 01/10/2014 10:58:53 AM PST by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: SeekAndFind

On 20 November 1943, during the horrific fighting on Betio atoll during the battle of Tarawa, two Japanese tanks mounted a counterattack against the fragile Marine toehold on Red Beach 3. The Marines were huddled there at the base of a seawall in the face of withering fire from Admiral Keiji Shibasaki’s fanatical Japanese Naval Landing Force defenders who were slaughtering hundreds of their 2nd Marine Divion comrades in Betio Lagoon during 76 hours of some of the most savage fighting in the history not only of the Marines, but the US armed forces.
Marine anti-tank gun crews were trying to figure out how to get their 912 lb 37MM M3 antitank guns over the 7 foot plus seawall. The battery commander ordered his 5 man crews to LIFT them over. Being Marines who always obeyed even seemingly impossible orders, they did EXACTLY that and promptly knocked out the tanks. They then engaged several enemy bunkers whose dual purpose guns were repeatedly knocking out the approaching landing craft and put them out of action. Finally they routed a local counter attack of 200 or so Japanese against the south shore of Red Beach 3 with canister shot, all of this at a critical and precarious point in the landing.
Whats that about upper body strength being not as important in modern warfare anymore and that women are just as likely to be able to do the job of combat infantry?

I mean no disrespect to the female perssonnel of the US Armed Forces who have served and ARE serving their nation honorably and well. I respect them as fellow vets and comrades in arms. Policy decisions are above their level for the most part.
But as a matter of POLICY, I think that women should be excluded from the armed forces for the most part, with a few exceptions and COMPLETELY from combat and most combat support roles, particularly when the armed forces are a small percentage of the total population, as is the case now. The use of significant numbers of women should be reserved for large scale mobilization as was the case in WWII. The population base is more than twice as large now as then and there would be no problem securing a sufficient number of qualified men with appropriate incentives for such a relatively small armed forces.
The advantages for the armed forces, particularly the Army would be greater flexibility as to how personnel can be deployed in combat emergencies and other contingincies and a lesser logistical strain as involves clothing, barracks and housing, and innumerable other considerations that are exclusive to the maintenence of large numbers of women. I think morale and discipline would also be improved as well.
The courts have repeatedly ruled that the armed forces are exempted from many of the equal opportunity requirements of the civillian world, and for the very good and sufficient requirements that are unique to the armed forces. This contretemps is being propelled largely by the cultural marxist wing of gender equity feminism who wish for the placement of a leftist Chairwoman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The resultant detriment of the ability of the armed forces to fight plays no consideration in their calculus, other than as an peripheral side benefit.


39 posted on 01/10/2014 11:10:16 AM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Drawsing
That being said, everybody in the military should be able to do at least 3 pull-ups.

No kidding, I am 52 and have not worked out in 10 years and I could do 3 pull ups. Heck I could do 25 when I was in 7th grade. What is wrong with these people?

The thing about pull ups is you need to train to do them. Any man or woman that can't do 3 after some training is either physically impaired or hopelessly lazy.

40 posted on 01/10/2014 11:12:48 AM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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