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Top US leadership feels diplomat row with India 'most stupid thing to do'
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Posted on 01/11/2014 9:37:19 AM PST by MBT ARJUN

Recognising the damage that the diplomat row has done to the India-US relationship, there is a realisation in the top American leadership that "it was the most stupid thing to do" on their part and that they would now have to "work overtime" to bring back the ties on track. As Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade landed in New Delhi last night, there was a sense of relief in the US government, with officials expressing their determination to move forward the relationship, which President Barack Obama has described as the defining partnership of the 21st century. "The US and India enjoy a broad and deep friendship, and this isolated episode is not indicative of the close and mutually respectful ties that we share," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said. Obama, sources said, was regularly updated on the development and National Security Advisor Susan Rice too was monitoring the situation; so was Secretary of State John Kerry, it is believed. "This has clearly been a challenging time in the US-India relationship. We expect and hope that this will now come to closure and the Indians will now take significant steps with us to improve our relationship and return it to a more constructive place," State Department Spokesperson Jen Psaki told reporters. Arrested on December 12, Khobragade, 39, was strip- searched and held with criminals, triggering a row between the two countries with India retaliating by downgrading privileges of certain category of US diplomats among other steps. Now that the Khobragade has returned to India, sources told PTI that there was "furious" reaction in the top American leadership when this was first brought to their notice on December 12, the day Khobragade was arrested in New York on charges of visa fraud and misrepresentation of facts. "It was one of the most stupid thing to do," a top American leader is learnt to have said, referring to the damage the diplomat's case has done to India-US ties. In fact a source pointed that the level of "furious reaction" in the top American leadership was similar to that of India. "If the Indians were furious, so were we." It is one of the reasons why Kerry, in the middle of his overseas trip, made it a point to reach out to External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid. Since he was not available at that time, Kerry spoke with National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon. During the conversation, Kerry is believed to have apologised for the incident, sources said. But the public statement issued by the State Department noted that Kerry expressed his regret to Menon. However, the strong Indian reaction did not go down well in the US as well. "There are stupid people on our side. There are stupid people on your side too," sources said. "The overwhelming opinion was this should not have happened. The sense was that there was a sectorial bureaucracy, which pursued an issue and the people who had the big picture, either had taken the eyes off the ball or were in the middle of transition," said another source familiar with the conversation happening at the senior level of US government and among the lawmakers. "For whatever reason, the big picture guys did not stop the sectorial bureaucracy at the time when people should have said, look where is this issue going," sources said, adding the sentence "that this should not have happened" is being said both at the Hill and the corridor of powers here. Sources said the case was handled by those people who did not had the sense what would be the repercussions of such an action. And by the time it came to the notice of the top US leadership, it had entered the domain of the judiciary. This coupled with a strong retaliatory action by India, sources said, tied down their hands. One sentiment encountered at fairly senior level in Washington was a feeling that nobody needed this problem and that this was badly handed. "Now that it has happened, we need to resolve this. The thought is there that we need to make sure that such things do not happen again," sources said. There was a growing sense in the Obama Administration yesterday that they would like to put this episode behind them and move forward as quickly as possible. While"Devyani was seen off at the airport by an official of the State Department," he told reporters Friday morning. "He told Devyani that, 'Madam, I am sorry, and it was wrong.' She told the official, 'You have lost a good friend. It is unfortunate. In return, you got a maid and a drunken driver. They are in, and we are out.'


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1 posted on 01/11/2014 9:37:19 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
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To: MBT ARJUN

Barry has never worked overtime on anything, save for scoring drugs or cruising.


2 posted on 01/11/2014 9:40:48 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: MBT ARJUN
She told the official, 'You have lost a good friend.'

Ms Khobragade, like most people, probably exaggerates her importance. Nonetheless, it is unfortunate that a country would make major decisions about international relations on the basis of an event like this. But countries on the rise but not yet there always seem to be the most hypersensitive.

3 posted on 01/11/2014 9:42:56 AM PST by untenured
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To: MBT ARJUN
0bama got what he wanted - damaged relations with an important ally - and he used the idiots in the Justice Department to get it.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

4 posted on 01/11/2014 9:43:14 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: MBT ARJUN
She told the official, 'You have lost a good friend. It is unfortunate. In return, you got a maid and a drunken driver. They are in, and we are out.'

The situation is not quite so extreme, but this is somewhat reminiscent of the old: "You were given a choice between war and dishonor. You have chosen dishonor. And you will have war."

Of course, with India, we shall not have war, but we have unquestionably chosen badly. And I say we did it on purpose. Muslims do not like Hindus.

5 posted on 01/11/2014 9:46:47 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

India deserves an abject apology, no qualifications..a simple “We are sorry, we were idiots, please forgive us”

And a LARGE cash settlement needs to be paid to that poor woman.

Diplomatic immunity must never be cheapened. We look a bit like the thugs who took our diplomats hostage in Iran... I don’t like it when the US is the one attacking diplomatic status.

No matter what a person with diplomatic immunity does the only recourse is supposed to be a declaration of persona non grata and expulsion.


6 posted on 01/11/2014 9:47:29 AM PST by Bobalu (The true secret to genius is in creativity, not in technical mechanics)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Indeed, Barry is very sad. His staff cannot enjoy perversion in India anymore the way this diplomat got to apparently exploit someone... but that is becoming a familiar sight for Barry the sorcerer to do, exploit and pimp black people to acceptance of homosexuality.


7 posted on 01/11/2014 9:47:45 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: mojito
0bama got what he wanted - damaged relations with an important ally...

Just so. Now he can concentrate on relations with his true friends in the Muslim countries: Pokeestan Affghaneeston and Iran.

8 posted on 01/11/2014 9:49:16 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama, perhaps the only human on planet earth who could screw up taking a relaxing bath with a rubber duck.


9 posted on 01/11/2014 9:53:49 AM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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To: MBT ARJUN

just another segment of amateur hour


10 posted on 01/11/2014 9:56:27 AM PST by Wuli
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To: DoughtyOne

I wouldn’t feel sorry for India. They sided with the Russians during the Cold War. Many other puzzling episodes but they should really save their scorn for the British.


11 posted on 01/11/2014 9:57:24 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

As I see it-on 2nd thought-it appears that the arresting officer(s) may have wanted to just ‘sneak in a little feel’. She looks pretty hot.


12 posted on 01/11/2014 10:00:17 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Bobalu
She had no recognized immunity from the State Department while she was playing her little castle system.

Secondly, Diplomatic immunity does not allow you to do whatever you like- thats a common misconception. A diplomats accreditation is contingent upon proper behavior in the host country and if they cant manage to do that- the accreditation is revoked and they get invited to leave. Drunken driving is another common one that gets them booted out.

They also have no special status with law enforcement. Diplomatic violators get arrested and treated like everybody else. Processing at jails is for the staff and prisoners safety- there have been instances where armed diplomats have killed people. After their status is verified they are released- usually to their missions designated personnel. Depending on the offense they may be declared “persona non grata”

She wealsed out and fled. Unsurprising, we allow fraudsters to leave all the time. As for the queers and such at our consulars in India, follow the local rules and customs. India is simply playing hardball the only way they can.

13 posted on 01/11/2014 10:05:18 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I’ll admit to not being completely up to speed on India’s Cold War relations, but it never appeared to me they were hard line anti-Western. Truth be told, you touched on a major reason why they could have gone that route. Today they aren’t what I would call rabid anti-Britain or the West.

In Russia’s hemisphere and not as militarily prepared for war as Russia, India had to do somewhat of a tap-dance. I don’t believe they could have come out totally Western without some fear of harassment or retribution. It would seem to me they played it about right.

Yes India did have relations with Russia, but they never acted hard line anti-US.

As for India having scorn for the British, in truth I think there are some things they appreciate that the British handed off to them. Their government seems to function reasonably, and Britain brought that framework to them.

It is reasonable to think India would have some big problems with the occupation, but it hasn’t gone hard line on it. I think India has handled it’s foreign relations rather well.

Perhaps you would like to explain your views on it. I may learn something if you do.


14 posted on 01/11/2014 10:10:33 AM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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To: untenured

Say what you want, this was a huge mistake by the US. India is entitled to whatever reaction they desire.


15 posted on 01/11/2014 10:13:16 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

In fact India sided with non-aligned (neutral) nations during the cold war. Mainly because the US favored muslim Pakistan, India’s arch rival in the region.


16 posted on 01/11/2014 10:14:45 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: untenured
Actually the problem moved beyond the importance of Khobragade. Her strip-search and cavity-search upon her arrest, irritated many in India, uniting political parties across the spectrum (which is an almost impossible task). It was no longer about what she had done, but more about a national humiliation through how their diplomat was treated.

They do have a point. If this had been done to Chinese or Russian diplomats, the response from these countries would have been immediate and pretty severe, making headlines around the world. We know all about the Chinese government sponsored riots to express anger. Compared to that India's response has been quite calm and measured.

These sort of problems have festered for a while now. Couple of years ago the Indian ambassador to the U.S. was subjected to an extensive search in one of the airports here. Prior to that the Indian defense minister was searched at an airport.

India feels that the treatment it receives is not the same respect that other countries get. Recently there was the incident of the Saudi princess keeping near slaves and she was let go, and then the Russian diplomats engaged in some fraud, and those guys were also not arrested.

India feels that it is perceived as a "soft state" that does not retaliate or reciprocate for these incidents, that is why they are ignored when they complain.

The sad part is that the U.S. diplomats in India are the ones who have to deal with the consequences, not Bharara or anyone else.

17 posted on 01/11/2014 10:28:37 AM PST by Moorings
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To: Theoria
I am not defending the Indian diplomat. Seemingly she broke immigration and labor laws. The State Department should have notified her boss of her crimes and told him to quietly get her out of the country pronto. Instead, somebody wanted to make an example of her and the result is an international incident.

This isn't about diplomatic immunity. It is about how you treat your friends and allies and those you wish were your friends and allies.

India is, putatively, an English speaking democracy. There are not enough of those and they are all natural allies of each other.

India is surrounded by hostile moslem countries and China. It is a bulwark against terrorism. It is a counterweight to China. It is a growing maritime power in an area the US seeks to de-emphasize militarily. India is the 7th most admired foreign country by Americans. India is a natural ally of the US.

Remember, no US citizen was harmed by this woman. She snuck a maid into the country and underpaid her. For that you set back Indo-American relations a couple of decades? How does that make sense?

18 posted on 01/11/2014 10:32:15 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Moorings; Former Proud Canadian
There is what you're entitled to do, which I'm not disputing, and what you ought to do. India by all means ought to communicate, through traditional channels, the right of their diplomats to be treated in accordance with convention. That they expelled a US diplomat, for example, is perfectly reasonable. But the Indian people, led by their opportunistic politicians, have deeply absorbed the discourse of "humiliation," which all nations just barely on the outside looking in seem to do. This discourse, in the form of making up for previous humiliations and the demand for respect, is also very common in contemporary China. (Think also about the bluster of Theodore Roosevelt, or the desire for respect of Wilhemite Germany.)

I get it, and they appear to be right about what in the grand scheme of things is a completely inconsequential matter, but there are bigger things afoot. It's too bad no one's politics seems to allow for seeing it.

19 posted on 01/11/2014 10:38:20 AM PST by untenured
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To: Former Proud Canadian
'She snuck a maid into the country and underpaid her. For that you set back Indo-American relations a couple of decades? How does that make sense?'

It only continues the difference in class and who you know. We continue to create a system of those who can get away with it, and those who get punished. We are in the get punished cat, she is not.

It is a pissing contest, India will always do what is in their best interest, right now that is kicking out fags from our State Department. Big deal, they are caste defined society and corrupt, we try to be a little different here.

20 posted on 01/11/2014 10:43:22 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: MBT ARJUN

MUZZIES do not get on well with Hindus!


21 posted on 01/11/2014 10:44:55 AM PST by WellyP (question!)
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To: Theoria

Ooh. A rational post amongst all the dross.


22 posted on 01/11/2014 10:45:51 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MBT ARJUN
Top US leadership feels diplomat row with India 'most stupid thing to do'

They could give the prosecutor, bureaucrats and cops involved, an all expense paid trip to India without diplomatic immunity to prove it.

23 posted on 01/11/2014 10:50:54 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

You have clearly never left Canadian thinking to embrace US ideals.
This is about whether everyone is equal under the law.

She is the same as anyone else.

Period.

No special treatment a local plumber or insurance agent wouldn’t get.

You want something different to be the case in the US then Democratic Underground not Free Republic is the site for you. Maybe you could try Daily Kos.


24 posted on 01/11/2014 10:51:53 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MBT ARJUN

“This has clearly been a challenging time in the US-India relationship. We expect and hope that this will now come to closure and the Indians will now take significant steps with us to improve our relationship and return it to a more constructive place,”

Now that India has finally realized the US is a police state.


25 posted on 01/11/2014 11:13:21 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Yeah and Nixon sided with China and Pakistan. Read up on Pakistan’s attempted ethnic cleansing/jihad in Bangladesh (then East Pakistan) and Operation Torch.

‘Siding’ as much as they did with the Russians made sense for them at the time.


26 posted on 01/11/2014 11:14:08 AM PST by SwampScout506
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To: Former Proud Canadian

This was a manifestly top down incident. The winners are Muslim interests, straight out of the Obama playbook.


27 posted on 01/11/2014 11:30:41 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: MrEdd

No special treatment in the US for certain individuals based on status?

LOL. Look up the recent legal context of the word, ‘affluenza’.


28 posted on 01/11/2014 11:38:21 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: MBT ARJUN

If she was violating the law they ought to have simply requested through channels that she be replaced, and the reason why.

A cavity search? Really? Of a diplomat?

India should continue to ramp up the payback until they manage to register pain with State Department. Someone ought to have lost their job over this. They will be lucky if US embassy staff don’t find themselves arrested and cavity-searched just to make a point.


29 posted on 01/11/2014 11:38:47 AM PST by marron
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To: MBT ARJUN

Top US leadership feels diplomat row 'most stupid thing to do'

Washington, Jan 11, 2014 (PTI):
Diplomat Devyani Khobragade at South Block in New Delhi on Saturday. PTI Photo

Recognising the damage that the diplomat row has done to the India-US relationship, there is a realisation in the top American leadership that "it was the most stupid thing to do" on their part and that they would now have to "work overtime" to bring back the ties on track.

As Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade landed in New Delhi last night, there was a sense of relief in the US government, with officials expressing their determination to move forward the relationship, which President Barack Obama has described as the defining partnership of the 21st century.

"The US and India enjoy a broad and deep friendship, and this isolated episode is not indicative of the close and mutually respectful ties that we share," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said.

Obama, sources said, was regularly updated on the development and National Security Advisor Susan Rice too was monitoring the situation; so was Secretary of State John Kerry, it is believed.


"This has clearly been a challenging time in the US-India relationship. We expect and hope that this will now come to closure and the Indians will now take significant steps with us to improve our relationship and return it to a more constructive place," State Department Spokesperson Jen Psaki told reporters.

Arrested on December 12, Khobragade, 39, was strip- searched and held with criminals, triggering a row between the two countries with India retaliating by downgrading privileges of certain category of US diplomats among other steps.

Now that the Khobragade has returned to India, sources told PTI that there was "furious" reaction in the top American leadership when this was first brought to their notice on December 12, the day Khobragade was arrested in New York on charges of visa fraud and misrepresentation of facts.

"It was one of the most stupid thing to do," a top American leader is learnt to have said, referring to the damage the diplomat's case has done to India-US ties.

In fact a source pointed that the level of "furious reaction" in the top American leadership was similar to that of India.     "If the Indians were furious, so were we."

It is one of the reasons why Kerry, in the middle of his overseas trip, made it a point to reach out to External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid. Since he was not available at that time, Kerry spoke with National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon.

During the conversation, Kerry is believed to have apologised for the incident, sources said.

But the public statement issued by the State Department noted that Kerry expressed his regret to Menon.

However, the strong Indian reaction did not go down well in the US as well.

"There are stupid people on our side. There are stupid people on your side too," sources said.

"The overwhelming opinion was this should not have happened. The sense was that there was a sectorial bureaucracy, which pursued an issue and the people who had the big picture, either had taken the eyes off the ball or were in the middle of transition," said another source familiar with the conversation happening at the senior level of US government and among the lawmakers.

"For whatever reason, the big picture guys did not stop the sectorial bureaucracy at the time when people should have said, look where is this issue going," sources said, adding the sentence "that this should not have happened" is being said both at the Hill and the corridor of powers here.

Sources said the case was handled by those people who did not had the sense what would be the repercussions of such an action. And by the time it came to the notice of the top US leadership, it had entered the domain of the judiciary.
This coupled with a strong retaliatory action by India, sources said, tied down their hands.

One sentiment encountered at fairly senior level in Washington was a feeling that nobody needed this problem and that this was badly handed.

"Now that it has happened, we need to resolve this. The thought is there that we need to make sure that such things do not happen again," sources said.

There was a growing sense in the Obama Administration yesterday that they would like to put this episode behind them and move forward as quickly as possible.

30 posted on 01/11/2014 11:54:41 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: MrEdd
I guess you didn't read my post, I was not defending her and, as far as I am concerned, the US can treat diplomats from other countries any way they want. But no matter, the cogency and strength of your arguments have won me over.

No special treatment for anyone. Hang her from the yardarm and damn the consequences. If America is left with no friends in the world, so be it. If US-Indian relations are set back for fifty years, at least the world will know America stands for equal treatment under the law.

Are you sure you aren't working this case for the State Department? Do you not see a bigger issue here? Do you really think that telling someone to post on another site is a winning argument? Do you know anything about "Canadian thinking" or are you just throwing random thoughts into the ether? Do you think the State Department treats all diplomats equally? Have you thought about this case at all?

31 posted on 01/11/2014 2:10:29 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: MBT ARJUN

The one instance where Obama could apologize and
what does India get? Zip.


32 posted on 01/11/2014 4:54:08 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian; MrEdd

“Equal treatment under the law” is a fantasy in America only subscribed to by delusional idiots.

Google ‘affluenza’.


33 posted on 01/12/2014 6:50:39 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett; MrEdd

Well, I was going to say that too. Still haven’t heard anything from the drive by poster. Waiting...waiting...


34 posted on 01/12/2014 7:12:38 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: untenured; MBT ARJUN
well, the point of view for India is "you strip search and handcuff our diplomat? And we thought we were friends -- you couldn't even do the courtesy of NOT strip searching her?"

To India it seems like this is something done to a fourth-rate power, not a rising power.

35 posted on 01/14/2014 5:58:45 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
well, the initial view of India was the naive "non-aligned" -- which Nehru really, honestly believed in, until the Chinese stabbed him in the back, hastening his death.

After that, US-India relations were actually on the up, until 1971 when Nixon sent an aircraft carrier to threaten India because India was stopping Pakistan's genocide of Bengalis

At that time, the USSR came unilaterally to India's aid, which made them very close friends.

however that's done. the evil empire collapsed 23 years ago.

36 posted on 01/14/2014 6:01:27 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Theoria
"she was playing her little castle system."

Actually it turns out that she is part of the untouchable caste

Diplomatic immunity is fine -- she could have been arrested quietly. Why handcuff and strip-search her?

37 posted on 01/14/2014 6:02:27 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
'Why handcuff and strip-search her? '

Standard procedure for taking someone into a secure facility with other suspected criminals. Everyone is a suspect in our system and is suspected of carrying something. One is handcuffed and striped for the safety of the officers. I don't like it, but it has been done for years.

38 posted on 01/14/2014 7:12:10 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: DoughtyOne; DIRTYSECRET
I don't believe india has any scorn for the british. They had a love-hate relationship from 1919.

From 1857 to 1919 (the British Empirial heyday), Britain had only about a few thousand bureaucrats and in essence ruled through accomodation with the locals -- they knew enough not to be harsh

Indians more or less viewed them as their own, until 1919 and the Jallianwala Bagh massacre when their belief in the English idea of fair play was shattered

Even post independence, there was a love-hate relationship, more like friends with a past than anything.

39 posted on 01/14/2014 8:09:26 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
The State Department should have notified her boss of her crimes and told him to quietly get her out of the country pronto. Instead, somebody wanted to make an example of her and the result is an international incident.

This isn't about diplomatic immunity. It is about how you treat your friends and allies and those you wish were your friends and allies.

exactly

40 posted on 01/14/2014 8:10:51 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Theoria; Former Proud Canadian

“they are caste defined society” - you do know that the lady in question is a “lower caste” if not an untouchable caste according to reports


41 posted on 01/14/2014 8:12:40 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: MrEdd

the thing is that arresting is fine. you don’t treat a diplomat to strip searches and handcuffs. It could have been done nice and quiet, not this way. No US govt would stand for it’s diplomat staff being treated that way (strip searched) in a foreign land.


42 posted on 01/14/2014 8:14:33 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Theoria
Not to a person with diplomatic immunity.

If a US diplomat was treated to something like that in Delhi, there would be a ruckus....

india's just objecting to the insult

43 posted on 01/14/2014 8:18:09 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

You do know we don’t care here. That is the point, we don’t use a ‘caste’ system, or as I called it a ‘castle’ system, where she is the Queen while her ‘servant’ is not paid according to the contract she entered. Her own ‘caste’ as defined from her society is irrelevant here, and that is the entire point of our society.


44 posted on 01/14/2014 8:20:30 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: Cronos
She did not have ‘diplomatic’ immunity here. She had consular duties and privilege's, which of course is vastly different.
45 posted on 01/14/2014 8:21:36 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: MBT ARJUN

The world is just muddling through until Obama is gone. There will be universal sigh of relief when at last, long last, he is gone.


46 posted on 01/14/2014 8:23:44 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Cronos

From what caste was the “Indo-American” prosecutor? Inquiring minds want to know.


47 posted on 01/14/2014 10:45:14 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Theoria

If you don’t use a “caste system” in the US, then why are American cities comprised of areas with distinct / separate majority ethnicities, and not a uniform distribution?

You do know that the “caste system” you mention in the Indian context is relevant there to the same extent, don’t you? Officially, it’s illegal to discriminate in India for caste.


48 posted on 01/14/2014 4:21:40 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Theoria

you said “a caste driven society” — however, that’s not true any more in the urban areas and for that matter, it is not relevant in this case, so why did you bring it up?


49 posted on 01/14/2014 10:52:49 PM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Theoria
She did -- also, I repeat the same question -- what if an American diplomat had been strip searched and handcuffed?

The arrest was fine, but the method of doing it was not diplomatic kosher

50 posted on 01/14/2014 10:54:01 PM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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