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Father pays outstanding child support, still gets jail time
Fox 26 ^ | 1/3/2014 | Fox 26

Posted on 01/12/2014 10:48:00 AM PST by Dallas59

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To: svcw

The word “pain” does not begin to describe it.


121 posted on 01/13/2014 7:01:03 AM PST by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: svcw
The problem is that in most cases it is adulatory and it is most often the man who commits it.

Better re-check your stat's. There was a report last year (that was posted here on FR) that women now hold the title for adultery and doubly so in "the workforce".

There is also a dirty little secret in the divorce world these days. Men are taking more and more primary custody of their kids while still getting taken to the woodshed in divorces. Is this true in all states? No, admittedly. In my state and particular my region it is however.
"Family Court" is out of control and as other posters have noted tend to be heavy handed in defense of the woman (or on the obverse, not enforcing judgements against women).

122 posted on 01/13/2014 7:12:49 AM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: VermiciousKnid

Interesting, my case isn’t to the scope of the ones in that trailer, but I figured out very fast, as soon as I interacted with her atty that this was going to end badly... To top it off the guy was one of the most incompetent boobs I’ve ever met in my life.. (at least half a dozen times he made procedural mistakes that I could have taken her to the cleaners on had I truly desired to harm her) I have been around atty’s my entire life, father is one, and sniffed this guy out as a bottom third of his class within the first meeting.... So, Not only was he just out for confrontation for no reason, he was completely incompetent to boot, so I had to pay my attorney even more to basically deal with his ineptitude. But of course I can’t fire him, even though indirectly I was paying for him.

Family Law is fundamentally broken, for what was my situation, to still be dragging on 3+ years later, is ludicrous. The thing should have been a no fault, $300 and done deal, at most some quick arbitration to settle a few minor issues, instead its been 3 years and more money than most people make in a year, and turned an uncomfortable situation that could have at least survived into one where I will never ever trust at any level the mother of my children again. She got a horrible attorney, and listened to every idiotic thing that he told her, and because of this, a relationship of nearly 20 years, which sadly came to an end, is to a point it will never be salvaged. It shouldn’t have and had no need to come to this point, there was literally NOTHING to fight over.

However the court system offers no recourse to end pointless fighting. And the kicker of it all is, we literally never went into a courtroom, I can’t imagine dealing with a truly contested divorce, where you literally do need to enter a courtroom to plea your case.

From separation to decree was 2 and 1/3 years, and there was no need for it. Even now to this day a year+ after the decree its still not fully over, because the amount of the retirement that’s hers, that we all agreed to over a year ago when we finally got the decree has not been transferred because her attorney is still fighting that I should pay any tax liability on it if she were to cash it out.... The money has been sitting waiting to transfer to her for over a year, yet here we still are... and I am prisoner to this lunacy.


123 posted on 01/13/2014 7:13:24 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: sauropod

Oh, you don’t enjoy having a-hole lawyers like yardstick screw you over in court? Neither did I. And they wonder why men are tending to steer clear of marriage these days.

Why get married anymore? It’s easier to find a woman who hates you, then give her your house and half your income for the next 20 years.


124 posted on 01/13/2014 7:30:55 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: yldstrk

I’d say that about sums up most of my divorced female friends. That is not to say that some men get treated terribly by the system.

We are on the same page.


125 posted on 01/13/2014 7:31:00 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: HamiltonJay

The Hell won’t end until the youngest child is 18 (19 in my state). Every time the ex hears from a friend you may have gotten a raise, expect to be served with papers.

My advice is to keep your income as tight a secret as you can manage.


126 posted on 01/13/2014 7:35:15 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Since when is their child support with shared custody?
The parent with primary custody would get support, that makes sense.
OK. Whatever you say about who commits adultery.


127 posted on 01/13/2014 7:38:58 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: yldstrk
the support amount in my state is formulaic: if there is a decrease in income, he can go in and say so, they look at his income, refigure and that is that. Administrative too, don’t even have to get a lawyer.

Really? How much does that cost? Don't forget to include service of papers....

I just love lawyers. "Why, heck! Just go to court and it'll get fixed!" As if that doesn't cost significant coin just to get in the door. As if the court isn't a crapshoot that can turn out any way a "Judge" likes, regardless of the law. You'll never get this salient point: You, personally, are a very large part of the problem.

128 posted on 01/13/2014 7:39:51 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: svcw
Since when is their [sic] child support with shared custody?

You're kidding, right?

129 posted on 01/13/2014 7:47:13 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Precisely.

Although I do have to say that Wife #2 is good to me and good for me.

I know myself well enough to know that I need to be married. So I cannot steer clear of marriage. Just a whole lot more careful now.


130 posted on 01/13/2014 7:50:06 AM PST by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: sauropod

That’s my story too. Mrs. Liberty is the most wonderful gal I ever met. Double income, no kids, nothing to fight over.


131 posted on 01/13/2014 7:53:13 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

No.
In Colorado child support is based on the custody agreement as in over nights plus income of the non custodial parent .
That.makes sense.
The couples I’ve know in CA have 50/50 custody and their is no child support, they just split medical and extras that are agreed to.


132 posted on 01/13/2014 8:21:25 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Cyber Liberty

In CO a parent can go in fill out the appropriate papers, a judge looks at them - either calls you in to an arbitrator or makes a decision.
The cost is around $50,
Or you can spend lots of money get a lawyer and the judge will send you to an arbiter or rules.


133 posted on 01/13/2014 8:25:32 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw

That’s a pretty fair arrangement. In other states, they start with that then skew it if one parent makes more money than the other, and that’s where the frustration enters the picture.

It’s about remedying income inequality. Poor gals find themselves short on the income after they decide to dump the guy, so the courts have arrogated to themselves the ability to fix it.


134 posted on 01/13/2014 8:45:13 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: HamiltonJay

Oh dear, HamiltonJay...what a mess! I am truly sorry for your troubles.

My own parents are divorced, and while I am STILL not happy about it 30 years later, the divorce itself was completely amicable. In fact, my folks employed the same lawyer!

This film caught my eye because I have a friend whose divorce is still going on after (are you ready for this?) 13 years!

She is an immigrant from Ireland and has a 6th grade education (she never had the opportunity for further schooling). While she is not stupid, she IS ignorant and confused by the whole system. She has no family here, and no other support except, I think, for me. Her husband comes from a large family with a fair amount of money. It has been his family’s wish that she be utterly destroyed, and they’ve done it.

They keep hiring and firing lawyers to keep the case in court. He stops paying child support just long enough to get called into court, then says, “Sorry,” and pays it right before the judge(s) throw him in jail. But this wreaks havoc on my friend’s budget, and she can no longer make ends meet.

The house is gone, and the younger children have decided they don’t want to live in an apartment, so they went to live with their father (at Grandma’s house). The father tells them if they want to go to college and have cars that they should not visit their mother at all. And they don’t.

It’s all so very sad, and my poor friend is destitute now, and without her children. I worry for her all the time — I’ve even had to buy groceries for her because the only thing in her fridge was an old jar of mayonnaise.

The system is broken, to be sure, and I’m sorry, but the lawyers AND the judges are responsible. How this can go on for more than a decade is beyond me. What’s wrong with these judges that allow it??

Something’s definitely got to change.

Regards,


135 posted on 01/13/2014 3:41:05 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: Cyber Liberty

As I said, it’s administrative. No lawyers, the prosecutors office does the service, it costs nothing.


136 posted on 01/13/2014 4:32:34 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: svcw

“Shared” is a percentage of time with the children. It sucks, but is a denominator in divorces when the divorce reaches “family court”. Primary custody only means one parent (the custodial) makes the decision for the kids without the other causing problems at every turn.
Have you been through a divorce before? One that actually gets before a judge. It is messy to say the least.


137 posted on 01/13/2014 9:20:55 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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