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Will IRS bully people to sign up for Obamacare?
Washington Examiner ^ | January 13, 2014 | Byron York

Posted on 01/14/2014 2:23:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

States are already moving to nullify obumacare. About 10 have legislation in the hopper. Another dozen will follow. The criminal fascist syndicate occupying Washington doesn’t have the manpower or the logistical means to stand up to state nullification. Joshua Chamberlain left the scene 100 years ago, and he ain’t coming back.


41 posted on 01/14/2014 6:30:55 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: SERE_DOC

The law says you have to have insurance.....or pay a fine. Everything in between is just gobletygook. There are exemptions from the fine. Look them up.


42 posted on 01/14/2014 6:50:07 AM PST by sheana
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To: dinodino
With respects:

No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act.

43 posted on 01/14/2014 8:54:31 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: sheana
At one point the "law" said slavery is acceptable.

I woud respectfully submit the following:

Marbury v. Madison

It is also not entirely unworthy of observation that, in declaring what shall be the supreme law of the land, the Constitution itself is first mentioned, and not the laws of the United States generally, but those only which shall be made in pursuance of the Constitution, have that rank.
Thus, the particular phraseology of the Constitution of the United States confirms and strengthens the principle, supposed to be essential to all written Constitutions, that a law repugnant to the Constitution is void,
and that courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument.

44 posted on 01/14/2014 8:58:55 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“shared responsibility payment”
?
Thought it was a tax.


45 posted on 01/14/2014 9:01:40 AM PST by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not ju st selectively for Democrats.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Will IRS bully people to sign up for Obamacare?


46 posted on 01/14/2014 9:08:12 AM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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47 posted on 01/14/2014 9:10:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SERE_DOC

With all due respect, you are wrong. Keep reading:

“...and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.”

The adjective “individual” refers to an issuer, not an individual citizen.


48 posted on 01/14/2014 9:31:43 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I'm told this one might be better proof....

What was the question again?

:-)

49 posted on 01/14/2014 9:35:39 AM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: dinodino
and you know this... to be fact? or are you assuming.

did you notice the "," in the first line that says individual"," company...

not individual company,...

50 posted on 01/14/2014 11:02:23 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Asking how they can help.


51 posted on 01/14/2014 12:26:11 PM PST by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: Lakeshark

Lol!

A lotta pooping going on.


52 posted on 01/14/2014 12:37:44 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: wbill
RE: “The silver lining is that it might spell the end of Obamacare, if no one has money to participate in it.”

Your lips to God's ear.

Unfortunately, ObamaCare allows huge federal subsidies to the insurance companies for the first several years.

Unfortunately, when Boehner and Paul Ryan did their budget surrender a few weeks back, they funded ObamaCare in full for two years.

In other words, the leadership of the Republican Party willingly agreed to take all ObamaCare money issues off the table for the 2014 election!

My guess - in 2015, the Democrats, with Republican help, will cancel ALL insurance company subsidies and bail outs because of "public outrage."

That means most insurers will walk away from the health insurance business, and, by default, Obama and the Democrats will have the “Single Payer” government take over of our health system that they have always dreamed about.

53 posted on 01/14/2014 12:48:49 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I remember explaining to people when the law was not yet passed, that they would use medical care to scare people to get their way. I was scoffed at by people who heard me say that, well.......until the IRS scandal erupted. The same people now understood what I had said, the scales were off their eyes.

These people in power are totalitarians, they live to control others, it's who they are, it's how they gain and maintain power for themselves.

As humorous as the bear pics are, the threat this law holds to all of us as conservatives is very real. The answer to the question in your headline is: Of course they will bully people. They will use this law to withhold rightful care because of your politics in the past and present. It's always been a law about control, They will harm us as much as they can, and use this threat to always keep us in check.

It's one of the reasons I despise those people who should have known better than to allow an avowed Marxist who wanted this kind of control over us to stay in office. They didn't understand the difference between Joseph Stalin and Humbert Humphrey when they said ALL liberals were the same. Some of them go around on this forum like they are proud of what they did, so proud of their stupidity, and they make me sick.

/rant.....

54 posted on 01/14/2014 1:35:20 PM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: sheana

Members of Christian healthsharing ministries are exempt.

That’s the route I’ll go in order to starve the beast.


55 posted on 01/14/2014 1:37:57 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Graewoulf
Senator Harry Reid supports a single payor tune caller Medical Insurance system, totally controlled by the US Federal Government.

56 posted on 01/14/2014 5:33:08 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Gaffer
Regardless, unless they change the rules, the IRS can only get your refunds. If you aren’t due a refund, all they can do is harass you.

As soon as the penalty or tax or fee or whatever is commingled with other taxes owed the IRS can go for it with all of the usual methods at their disposal. Including interest accrued.

57 posted on 01/14/2014 5:43:50 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: SERE_DOC
No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer

This is WHO.

offering group or individual health insurance coverage

What they DO

This refers to health insurance companies, who are not required to play.

58 posted on 01/14/2014 6:02:28 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: SERE_DOC

I’m not assuming anything—the section is clearly written. Your interpretation is incorrect.


59 posted on 01/15/2014 6:29:57 AM PST by dinodino
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To: dinodino

according to you, and I think you’re incorrect so we will leave it at that.


60 posted on 01/15/2014 11:03:14 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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