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Cornell: Pranksters Skewed Landmark Gender Study
Copyright 2014, The Ithaca Independent. All Rights Reserved. ^ | 01/14/14 | By: ED SUTHERLAND

Posted on 01/14/2014 11:46:43 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

Ithaca, N.Y. — Were Cornell University gender researchers punked by their teen subjects? That’s one of the conclusions made by the Ivy League school about a landmark study of adolescent sexuality.

The research, done in the 1990s, found five to seven percent of high schoolers professed being homosexual or bisexual. The figure was many times that of previous estimates of about one percent of adolescents. However, follow-up interviews found 70 percent of the adolescents that self-reported being gay or bisexual later described themselves a heterosexual.

“How could it be that 5 to 7 percent of our youth were homosexual or bisexual!” asked Cornell’s Ritch C. Savin-Williams. Savin-Williams, director of the school’s Sex and Gender Lab, recently published (along with Kara Joyner of Bowling Green State University) a review of the controversial findings.

The National Longitudinal Study on Adolescent Health (known as “Add Health”) created what Cornell calls “a cottage industry for scholars of human sexuality – Savin-Williams among them.” Both Savin-Williams and Joyner aired their possible reasons for such a stark contrast in the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior.

In an essay entitled “The Dubious Assessment of Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Adolescents of Add Health,” the two offer the leading theory for the out-of-whack results: pranksters.

“I can take a joke as well as the next academic,” Savin-Williams says. However, the adolescent pranksters gave researchers, clinicians and policymakers the sense that “gay youth are more suicidal, depressed and psychologically ill than are straight youth.”

Aside from being pranked, researchers in the 1990s study were not explicit enough in wording their questions. Rather than asking about “romantic attraction”, later Add Health surveys “actually used the ‘S word’ as in sexual orientation,” according to the university.

“We’re guessing that some research subjects ultimately understood the message, that they said: ‘Now I know what you’re asking – and no, I’m not,’” said Savin-Williams.

The lesson from all this? “We need to be more careful when we do our research that our sexual-minority participants are representative of the gay youth population so that we can accurately and adequately represent their lives,” he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: cityofevil; cornell; homosexualagenda; ithaca

1 posted on 01/14/2014 11:46:43 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

You cannot get good data from a group that is generally in a rebellious phase...


2 posted on 01/14/2014 11:48:46 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

This comes out shortly after I’d heard from several sources that “70% of homosexual teenagers become exclusively heterosexual.”


3 posted on 01/14/2014 11:49:39 AM PST by dangus
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I’m old enough to remember when “gender” was a grammatical term that applied only to nouns.


4 posted on 01/14/2014 11:53:41 AM PST by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I always made crap up when given stupid, nosy questionnaires to fill out in school.

I instruct my children to do the same and view it as a creative writing exercise.


5 posted on 01/14/2014 11:53:43 AM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

In a democrat phone interview I was once a black 65 year old female that had voted for Bush twice and was voting for Romney and not Odumbo — Man was that poor poll taker confused when that call ended. But I had a lot of fun with her.


6 posted on 01/14/2014 11:57:12 AM PST by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I wonder how controlled the Masters and Johnson study group was. Were they looking for an easy lay?


7 posted on 01/14/2014 11:57:18 AM PST by AU72
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To: windsorknot

Ahhhh...the good old days! When sex was sex and gender was for English class only!


8 posted on 01/14/2014 11:58:11 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

It really shouldn’t take an Ivy League academic to figure out adolescents will have fun with something like this. My High School Freshman must tell me “JK” half a dozen times a day (just kidding).


9 posted on 01/14/2014 11:58:13 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
“I can take a joke as well as the next academic,” Savin-Williams says.

Okay. Fine. But how well does "the next academic" take a joke?

10 posted on 01/14/2014 12:01:43 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: AU72

Not very well. Yes.


11 posted on 01/14/2014 12:02:25 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The left are such deceitful hypocrites...

They have had a campaign for several years now,
attempting what they call “jamming” -

trying to convince people that homos are ubiquitous
and are at least 10% of the population.


12 posted on 01/14/2014 12:02:44 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Valpal1

So did I.

So do I.

Under my tutelage, my son is developing quite a bizarre sense of humor.


13 posted on 01/14/2014 12:03:55 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: massmike; little jeremiah

PING


14 posted on 01/14/2014 12:04:06 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Knowing that the only people who would do so are working to undermine traditional values, if someone asked me about this kind of stuff even today, I’d lie my butt off just to spite them.


15 posted on 01/14/2014 12:12:28 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: areukiddingme1

that is fun to do. do it all the time.


16 posted on 01/14/2014 12:19:04 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

One it’s time foe to confess after all these years in the shadows. I’m the infamous Milwaukee Enema Bandit. I’ll leave the disgusting, degrading details to your imaginations.


17 posted on 01/14/2014 12:22:09 PM PST by libstripper (Asv)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I graduated from high school in 1963 and can assure you that a large number of the boys would have had great fun “pranking” such a survey - as long as their names were not to be known. Among the boys it would have been a very funny, conspiratorial type thing.

The girls, on the other hand were more serious in general but I believe even some of them would have done the same.

18 posted on 01/14/2014 12:22:59 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: areukiddingme1

It’s fun isn’t it? I usually hang up on pollsters but when I don’t, I like to lie to them. I think more people do that than we (or the pollsters) realize.


19 posted on 01/14/2014 12:25:53 PM PST by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: windsorknot
I’m old enough to remember when “gender” was a grammatical term that applied only to nouns.

I suppose we are just a couple of old fuddy duddies, to whom the word, "gay", still means happy too.

20 posted on 01/14/2014 12:25:54 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: MrB
trying to convince people that homos are ubiquitous and are at least 10% of the population.

I watch CNN sometimes, just to keep up with enemy "thinking". They had an obviously homosexual priest on there a month or so ago.

He stated that 10% figure like it was the absolute truth, he also said that the Catholic church has never taught that homosexuality is a sin.

Host nodding his head in agreement the whole time.

21 posted on 01/14/2014 12:31:36 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

It reminds me of this old SNL skit where one line he says “we received most of our tips on the hotline from high schools and colleges around the country.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81413417/


22 posted on 01/14/2014 12:36:28 PM PST by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Graybeard58

I’ll always remember this.
We were at the dinner table with my libinlaw.
I don’t even remember what we were talking about,
but she stated “and 10% of the population is homosexual”.
Completely non-sequitur. We looked at her as if she had lobsters crawling out of her ears.*

I had heard about jamming, but I didn’t know that the lib “circles” were charging each other with bringing this up in conversation, but they must have.

*Here’s exactly what it reminded me of:
Ralphie as Adult: [narrating] Meanwhile, I struggled for exactly the right BB gun hint. It had to be firm, but subtle.
Ralphie: Flick says he saw some grizzly bears near Pulaski’s candy store!
[everyone stares at Ralphie]
Ralphie as Adult: [narrating] They looked at me as if I had lobsters crawling out of my ears.


23 posted on 01/14/2014 12:37:42 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: libstripper

Bandit are you guilty?
Bandit are you guilty? tell me now, what’s
Your plea?
Another girl shout: “let the fiend go free!”
Are you guilty? bandit, did you do these deeds?
The bandit say, “it must be just what they all needs...”


24 posted on 01/14/2014 12:50:55 PM PST by pluvmantelo (The thing of it is, we must live with the living- Michel de Montaigne)
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To: All

Is it possible that academic malfeasance was involved?


25 posted on 01/14/2014 12:53:36 PM PST by pluvmantelo (The thing of it is, we must live with the living- Michel de Montaigne)
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To: WayneS

It agitates the wife unit that i always list myself as Native American since i can trace ancestors back to late 17th century. The Apache in her is not amused.


26 posted on 01/14/2014 12:54:36 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
How could it be that 5 to 7 percent of our youth were homosexual or bisexual! asked Ritch C. Savin-Williams.
Savin-Williams, director of the school’s Sex and Gender Lab ..


maybe 'cause you homos are the queens of wishful thinking .. silly metro-pantied hyphen boy .. pffttt

27 posted on 01/14/2014 1:05:45 PM PST by tomkat
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Oh, heck, just file this in the HUGE pile of things commonly referred to a gay activist lies (i.e., the 10% myth; Mathew Shepard, etc.)

Not a worry - we have come to expect everything in supposed ‘research’ about homosexuality will be done by gay activist researchers, and will be nothing but lies, more lies and damned lies. As George Hamilton would say, “It’s vhat ve do!”


28 posted on 01/14/2014 1:08:32 PM PST by Ancient Wonderboy
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Another data point in support of my tagline.


29 posted on 01/14/2014 1:17:33 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Graybeard58
Yes, "gay" means "happy". Otherwise it is a euphemism for homosexual.
30 posted on 01/14/2014 1:17:56 PM PST by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: areukiddingme1
In a democrat phone interview I was once a black 65 year old female that had voted for Bush twice and was voting for Romney and not Odumbo — Man was that poor poll taker confused when that call ended. But I had a lot of fun with her.

I love doing that. One of my daughters also used to love to play with the telemarketers, she could keep them on the line for an hour before they'd give up. Just the right mix of talking, stringing them along and dead air time. she was a pro! I can't believe some of the stuff she would come up with. I wish she used those skills for creative writing in school, she'd have been a superstar.

31 posted on 01/14/2014 1:20:58 PM PST by Travis T. OJustice (I miss you, dad. :()
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To: Graybeard58
The girls, on the other hand were more serious in general but I believe even some of them would have done the same.

The white boys putting down that they were black female lesbians who enjoyed bondage would have compensated for the serious nature of real girls.

32 posted on 01/14/2014 1:22:22 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: windsorknot
They've painted themselves into a bit of a corner with respect to the term "gender". According to the Advanced Social Thought of the moment, it isn't male/female any more, it incorporates "gender identity", sexual attraction, planetary alignments, phase of the moon, etc, etc...

So when I snickered at the usage on a questionnaire in front of a very liberal relative and her regal eyebrows raised, I said,"well, only a retrograde conservative like you thinks there are only two genders". I do believe I heard blood vessels popping...

33 posted on 01/14/2014 1:33:42 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

The liberal worldview cannot be logically consistent, and it’s fun to point it out to them.


34 posted on 01/14/2014 1:35:25 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: GraceG

we should do the same thing with the American community survey. Their heads would explode, lol.


35 posted on 01/14/2014 2:01:31 PM PST by deputytess (Men of the West .....stand and FIGHT!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; WhiskeyX; GraceG; dangus; windsorknot; AU72; Jack Hydrazine; MrB; ...
“How could it be that 5 to 7 percent of our youth were homosexual or bisexual!” asked Cornell’s Ritch C. Savin-Williams. Savin-Williams, director of the school’s Sex and Gender Lab, recently published (along with Kara Joyner of Bowling Green State University) a review of the controversial findings.

It's not a new research finding that adolescent boys commonly have a same sex "fling" or two, which may or may not include some actual intercourse, then settle into a pattern of heterosexuality for the rest of their lives.

Some women alternate between homosexuality and heterosexuality throughout their lives, the lesbian period or periods usually precipitated by a relationship with a key male figure going sour.

These facts could account for a lower percentage of adults classifying themselves as homosexual or bisexual, as compared to adolescents, more so than study participants lying to researchers.

36 posted on 01/14/2014 3:43:26 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

These facts could account for a lower percentage of adults classifying themselves as homosexual or bisexual, as compared to adolescents, more so than study participants lying to researchers.


Or it could just be the more simple answer that the kids know it is a stupid survey and they might as well have some fun.

I personally screw up every survey I can................


37 posted on 01/14/2014 3:52:38 PM PST by PeterPrinciple
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To: justiceseeker93

I must be from an antiquated background. Nobody I know in my inner circle of family and close friends experimented both ways and then settled into one or the other lifestyle.


38 posted on 01/15/2014 6:42:31 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: windsorknot
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3056003/posts?page=29#29
39 posted on 01/15/2014 7:14:17 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: pluvmantelo

The voluptous young things who received involuntary visits from the Enema Bandit were doubly violated; first by receiving forced enemas and, second, by the terrible insult of not being raped. Mine was truly a horrible career.


40 posted on 01/16/2014 12:31:42 PM PST by libstripper (Asv)
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