The Truth About Sandy Hook: Connecticut report dismisses most of the gun control narrative

Pajamas Media ^ | 01/15/2014 | Mike McDaniel

[rktman]

WHAT! More gun laws and keeping firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens isn’t the answer???????

[MissMagnolia]

I listen to Bill Bennett’s ‘Morning in America’ show - he has some really terrific interviews. This morning he was talking to Congressman Tim Murphy, a practicing psychologist for 3 decades. Murphy said what we all know .... it’s a mental health issue, not gun control. It’s a public health issue - when he looked into the various massacres and what the situation is with mental health, he discovered that the Feds actually HINDER proper care. There are also advocacy groups who go against doctor/family wishes and do things like getting the mentally ill released to wander the streets. Anyway, he has a bill that will change some things so folks with severe problems will get more of the help they need .... and parents in particular, won’t be shut out if their kid is 18 or over (in PA, I think he said it’s 14!). What he said sounded very reasonable to me. Link: http://murphy.house.gov/helpingfamiliesinmentalhealthcrisisact

[Still Thinking]

Wait, a government official in a Dem state told the truth? Will something bad happen to him now?

[detective]

It sounds like none of the troubling questions about Sandy Hook have been answered. No word on the lack of EMS response or proceedures to try to save injured children. No word of the news reports beginning at 8:00 am when the shooting didn’t take place until after 9:30 am. No word on how Lanza killed so many people in 5 minutes and and how Lanza at 120 pounds Lanza carried full body armor, guns and many clips. No word about why Adam Lanza had no SS# and why nobody knows his whereabouts for a year prior to the event. No photos of the crime scene. The was no crime scene clean up of blood etc which is required by law. There are many other questions that have not been answered.

[OneWingedShark]

I was reading a couple conspiracy-theory threads yesterday and Sandy Hook came up; there were a few interesting anomalies in it; apparently:

1. Drill protocols were followed; not emergency protocols. (In specific, color-coded tarps used by emergency-response were missing.)
2. The legally required paperwork for hazmat cleanup (blood) was unavailable.
3. Irregularities of the radio-networks involved.
4. Irregularities in the weapons used/recovered/found.

Really quite strange, it does remind me of the push for more gun-control that happened immediately-after.

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[relictele]

The police response was very rapid; Lanza had five minutes to kill

Newtown is 59 sq mi or 7.68 mi on a side if it were a perfect square.

Five minutes' response time is NOT 'very rapid.' In fact, it's not rapid at all in such a small municipality with normally quiet streets.

According to Google Earth it is a mere 1.6 miles from Newtown Police HQ to the school. 8,448 feet.

That also assumes the police were at the station - odds are at least one car was already on patrol.

As the article states, this 'rapid' response was anything but and the police were ineffective as usual.

I can understand statists frustrated with individual sovereignty pushing gun control but I can't fathom cowards who endorse the 'guns for police only' canard.

[OneWingedShark]

Good questions; though the weight one is less an issue than you might think:
When I was deployed to Iraq I weighed no more than 135, starting train-up right prior I was 128; I'm not a large guy, but I wouldn't say that I had a lot of trouble with my gear — that includes the body-armor.

[detective]

You were in excellent condition and had gone through rigorous training. There is no evidence Lanza had any training or physical conditioning. If you look at his picture he weighed 120 at most probably less and looked was not in any kind of good physical shape.

[FiddlePig]

When liberal narratives collide with truth it is truth that must yield!

[OneWingedShark]

You were in excellent condition and had gone through rigorous training. There is no evidence Lanza had any training or physical conditioning. If you look at his picture he weighed 120 at most probably less and looked was not in any kind of good physical shape.

I'll grant the physical condition, though I'd never qualify myself as athletic.
But I don't think the photos are a good indicator — remember the photos of Trayvon Martin? — That's why I have to say 120 pounds and body-armor aren't mutually exclusive; and why I consider it to be the least convincing indicator of "weirdness" in the story.

The lack of legally required documentation of the clean-up, the destruction/reconstruction of the building (apparently requiring the construction workers to sign a non-disclosure agreement), the time anomalies in the story (story possibly breaking before the incident), and so forth are much more compelling.

[OneWingedShark]

When liberal narratives collide with truth it is truth that must yield!

I think that's the biggest lesson from Sandy Hook.

[ClearBlueSky]

Adam Lanza had the full benefit of the mental health system. He was, at various points in his life, prescribed medication. He refused to take it. He was prescribed behavior therapies. He refused to participate. Through all those therapists and all those years, not one considered him a danger to himself or others. Not one saw any sign of what he would eventually do. Not one could present evidence that would have prevented him from owning firearms. He knew right from wrong and functioned in society; he was just odd. Perhaps the most horrifying realization is that there may be no way to detect and to stop school shooters like Lanza.
I call bulls**t! THAT is the problem right there. The current thinking among psychiarists is that NOTHING is abnormal. These are the same people who now consider pedophilia acceptable. He was crazy enough to need chemicals to alter his behavior, but sane enough to trust to take the medication and go to therapy? Lanza was bats**t nuts, his doctors knew it, his family knew it, his mother knew it. They all protected him and played the 'pretend' game. Treat him normal and he will BE normal. We have to get past that magical thinking re. schizophrenics and the seriously mentally ill. THAT is why those children and teachers are dead. The only good thing is that the mother who protected this lunatic was his first victim. She had no more right to inflict her insane son on society than dogfighters do to loose packs of vicious pit bulls in a neighborhood. I don't care how that sounds either. I'm damned tired of hearing of the innocent victims of the mentally ill,like Lanza, who are protected by family, law and the medical profession.

[ZULU]

What the media has not reported and will never report are the facts about what will work to deter and to stop school attacks: doing away with “gun free” school zones and allowing willing school staff to carry concealed handguns.

Lanza, from the beginning to his suicide, was vulnerable to return fire. In fact, at many points, armed school staff would have had significant advantages in cover, concealment, and superior knowledge of the facility.

If Newtown’s school district publicized that its employees were allowed to carry concealed weapons and that many were — while keeping their names, numbers, and locations secret — it is likely Adam Lanza would never have attacked that school district.

If engaged at or near the point of entry, Lanza would almost certainly have been unable to harm a single child. But because the staff were unarmed, because their only options were trying to run or hide, and because politicians and administrators believed in the magical value of “gun free” school zone signs rather than the unalienable right to self-defense, 26 students and teachers died.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

it is likely Adam Lanza would never have attacked that school district.

If he did.

[dmz]

Could you provide a link to the 8am news reports on the shooting when it did not start until after 9. I thought I’d followed this pretty closely and I’ve not heard that one - to my recollection.

[dmz]

If he did.

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Oh boy. Here we go.

I have one simple question for all the hoaxers: Where are the 20 kids? Where are the 6 adults?

[kidd]

The first officer arrived at 9:39, but no officers entered the building until 9:44:47...[Lanza] shot himself at 9:40:03

So a police officer was AT the building and did nothing but listen to gunfire inside the school for an entire minute???

How many kids died during that minute?

[lcms rev]

I didn't read it closely, but I noticed one glaring omission: firearms ownership. As long as those who seek or receive mental health treatment are treated as though they would commit mass murder at the slightest provocation if they had access to a firearm, those who value their Second Amendment rights will be less inclined to seek treatment and more likely to hide any signs that they need treatment from those who would be in a position to help. If I were to suggest an addition to address that, I would completely remove admission to a mental health facility (whether voluntary or involuntary) as a barrier to firearms ownership. If the person has been released, then evidently the facility believes the person to no longer be a danger to self and/or others. Hence they should be allowed to purchase firearms, and have any firearms confiscated from them due to their mental health issue returned. They could even make it a 5-year limit, as I've seen in some other places on the background check form. But until they do something to address this issue, the solution will still be incomplete.