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Conceal carry permits ó Itís a Downstate, collar county thing
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 16 jan 2014 | DAVE MCKINNEY AND MAX RUST

Posted on 01/16/2014 5:30:21 AM PST by rellimpank

SPRINGFIELD — In small towns Downstate, murders may happen once every 50 to 100 years, if that frequently, and the worst crimes might be a meth lab getting busted or someone driving away from a gasoline pump without paying.

Yet, these extremely low-crime pockets of the state are precisely where people appear to be lining up the fastest to apply for state permits to carry concealed handguns, according to a Chicago Sun-Times analysis of concealed-carry applications submitted so far to the Illinois State Police.

By contrast, in Cook County, gun owners appear to be moving the slowest to apply for the concealed-carry permits, causing the state’s most populous county to rank dead last of all 102 Illinois counties on a per capita basis, data shows.

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
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1 posted on 01/16/2014 5:30:21 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

-—”collar counties”—a new term to me—


2 posted on 01/16/2014 5:31:22 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

The outstate peeps want to make sure that the citizens of ChiTown behave when they are outside the fence. (both meanings)


3 posted on 01/16/2014 5:36:15 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: rellimpank

Probably “blue collar” counties. Why should law abiding citizens of Cook County get licensed - there is obviously no real reason to


4 posted on 01/16/2014 5:49:28 AM PST by Plain Old American (Remember who said what; Remind those who don't Remember; Vote and take a friend to the polls)
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To: rellimpank

Could it be that Cook County is dragging its heels on handing out application forms?

Or perhaps such a large percentage of Cook County residents already have unregistered guns?


5 posted on 01/16/2014 5:49:54 AM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: rellimpank
All them rabble down 'ere with their collars 'n guns.


6 posted on 01/16/2014 5:52:56 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Plain Old American; rellimpank

“Collar counties” is Chicago speak for those counties that border cook (Dupage, Will, Kane, etc.). In actuality, these are mostly white collar, with plenty of families and only a few pockets of poverty.


7 posted on 01/16/2014 5:54:04 AM PST by Clemenza (Lurking)
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To: rellimpank
It's a term used to describe the counties that border on Cook County. The term "downstate" refers to the remaining counties in Illinois - those beyond the "collar counties". Downstate, collar counties, Cook County, Chicago - it's like traversing the Dantean circles of The Inferno.
8 posted on 01/16/2014 5:58:05 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bamtha a: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Clemenza

“Cook County, gun owners appear to be moving the slowest to apply for the concealed-carry permits”...

Probably due to the never ending brainwashing the claims guns are evil. Most Chicagoans carry without a CCW anyway.


9 posted on 01/16/2014 6:00:00 AM PST by Progov
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To: Paladin2

I’m not really sure why this is at all shocking. You’re talking about Chicago, a city which has done everything in its power to prevent gun ownership, and even though that was finally broken, a legal gun owning community isn’t going to magically spawn overnight. There are no gun shops in the city from what I understand, and certainly no gun ranges. It rather requires there to be people with guns before you can get people interested in carrying said guns legally.


10 posted on 01/16/2014 6:03:29 AM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Plain Old American

“Probably “blue collar” counties. Why should law abiding citizens of Cook County get licensed - there is obviously no real reason to”

No, collar counties is terminology that has been used for a long, long time. It means exactly what it says, those counties that surround Cook County and the City of Chicago, just like a ring around your neck, a collar. Many of those collar counties in the past were Republican, less so now, but still many are predominantly more conservative, especially DuPage County due west of Chicago, about 25 miles out. That’s the County I live in.


11 posted on 01/16/2014 6:03:48 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: rellimpank
Collar county and Downstate cops and bureaucrats are probably more honest than the Cook county ruling elite criminals.

An honest citizen might have trouble applying to a criminal gang for a CCW, he doesn't fit in.

12 posted on 01/16/2014 6:06:49 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: rellimpank

The residents of Cook County realize that the Cook County government will resort to all forms of chicanery in order to deny them their Second Amendment rights. They may not want to invest in a firearm until later, on the chance that it may be subsequently considered contraband.


13 posted on 01/16/2014 6:07:09 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bamtha a: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: rellimpank
Living as I do here in God's country, I don't feel the need to conceal carry....unless I have to travel NE to the cesspool of murder and crime that is St Louis.
14 posted on 01/16/2014 6:09:15 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: rellimpank

ILLINOIS STATE RIFLE ASSOCIATION

INFORMATIONAL ALERT

WHAT TO DO ABOUT THOSE PESKY “NO-GUNS” SIGNS

As you may know, the concealed carry law enacted last year ironically includes provisions that will greatly impede your ability to defend yourself against violent criminals. Among these impediments to self defense is a provision allowing private property owners to prohibit concealed firearms on their property. The law requires such property owners to post government-approved “no guns allowed” signs on property entrances.

As implementation of concealed carry goes forward, more and more of these “no guns allowed” signs will be springing up in businesses across Illinois. Although law-abiding firearm owners are offended by such signs, most of us accept that private property owners are free to limit access to their property as they see fit. Nonetheless, the placement of such signs poses some serious public policy implications to those who honor free exercise of basic human rights.

In practical terms, the official “no guns allowed” sign actually declares, “No Self Defense Permitted Beyond this Point.” Thus, a property owner who posts a “no guns allowed” sign is telling you point blank, “I don’t care if you and your family are in danger, I will not allow you to defend yourself.” The net effect of the property-owner’s self-righteous indignation is that anyone who enters the posted property unarmed is being set up for violent attack.

The beauty of concealed carry is that only handful of citizens need to be armed in order to protect the greater part of society from harm. This benefit arises out of the fact that would-be criminals are never really sure which citizens around them may be armed. As a result, their criminal urges may be stifled in the interest of not getting shot.

Given the deterrent value of concealed carry, the posting of “no guns allowed” signs openly invites criminals to enter a business to commit mayhem without the fear of facing an armed citizen. Under the concealed carry statute, persons licensed to carry must obey these signs. By their very nature, criminals will not be deterred by a plastic pictogram stuck to a window. Consequently, armed criminals will be absolutely assured that nobody in the establishment is capable of warding off their violent behavior. “No guns allowed” signs give a distinct advantage to those who seek to harm others.

For thugs who may be too shy to perform for an audience, the parking lots of “no guns allowed” establishments would be little more to their liking. It would be a given that anyone leaving such a business would be unarmed and, thus, easy pickings for robbers or rapists. Likewise, these criminals would be free to burglarize cars in the parking lot to harvest guns dutifully left behind by permit holders who enter the antigun business.

All in all, it’s distinctly possible that posting a “no guns allowed” sign makes patronizing a business more dangerous now that concealed carry has been passed than it had been to patronize the same store before the passage of concealed carry.

Quite a few people have contacted ISRA headquarters to report businesses that have posted “no guns allowed” signs. Many of the people ask how they should respond to the posting of such signs. Below are our recommendations.

1. Carrying a concealed firearm in to an establishment bearing an official “no guns allowed” sign is not lawful and should not be attempted.

2. Business owners who post “no guns allowed” signs consider lawful firearm owners to be social outcasts. Therefore, those businesses should be avoided, but not without first hearing how displeased you are with their decision. We recommend that you ask to see the manager and then politely tell him or her that you are a lawful firearm owner and that you disagree with their position on concealed carry. Advise the manager further that, as long as the offensive sign is posted, you will not spend money at their establishment and that you will tell all your friends to avoid doing business with them as well.

3. Reward businesses who allow concealed carry by spending money in their establishments.

4. Remain active in the gun rights movement at a local level.

5. Join the ISRA.

6. Donate to the ISRA so that we may carry on the fight to preserve, protect, and enhance gun rights in the state.

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15 posted on 01/16/2014 6:44:39 AM PST by KeyLargo
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>> In small towns Downstate, murders may happen once every 50 to 100 years, if that frequently

The writers don’t understand Illinois history. Downstate IL had heavy mob influence, and was a nexus of bootlegging in the 1920s-30s.


16 posted on 01/16/2014 7:17:56 AM PST by oblomov
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To: rellimpank
I was just going to post this--under the category of "Brain Dead Article of the Week." Of course, the writers haven't figured out that a large number of Cook County residents are already exercising OPEN carry.

Equally troubling are the bewildered remarks of the downstate "mayor"--"A total of 56 applicants out of 11,048 residents countywide listed Cumberland as their county of residence, the State Police data showed. “I’m shocked about it,” said Tom Bauguss, mayor of Greenup, a farming community that is the county’s largest town with 1,516 residents. . . “In Greenup, I can’t remember the last murder,” the mayor said, adding that he doesn’t even own a gun.

And I don't think the writers knew what to do with the fact that a Democrat was behind the legislation.

17 posted on 01/16/2014 7:24:36 AM PST by Charlemagne on the Fox
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To: Charlemagne on the Fox

Though I don’t know that town, I do know small towns, and I would not be surprised if that mayor was the only one in his town without a firearm of some sort in his house.


18 posted on 01/16/2014 7:31:44 AM PST by lcms rev
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To: KeyLargo

So, if an Illinois resident puts a “No Guns Allowed” sign on his house, but carries a high capacity .45 semi-auto at all times, expecting a break in, would he be convicted under the state’s law prohibiting the hunting of criminals?


19 posted on 01/16/2014 8:50:50 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: rellimpank

Leave it to a Shitcago enemedia dhimmi to not understand that the best defense is a good offense, in various calibers/platforms.


20 posted on 01/16/2014 9:05:16 AM PST by tomkat
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To: rellimpank

Save for later


21 posted on 01/16/2014 10:07:26 AM PST by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: rellimpank

In most places, a CCW permit is a permit to carry a concealed weapon. In some places, it’s a “kick me” sign. In the latter places, why would anyone bother?


22 posted on 01/16/2014 10:12:03 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: rellimpank

I have yet to meet a person from Chicago that is not a liar, backstabber, and scoundrel.

I know that they exist, it is just that there are so few of them.


23 posted on 01/16/2014 7:14:47 PM PST by american_ranger
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