Not the discussion at hand. Please try to stay focused on the point.
The point is, show me how establishment Republicans are different than Democrats in any of the following arenas:
Once again, how I may or may not vote, or if I even vote at all, is not the topic I pinged you for. Let us assume for the sake of this conversation that I am a convicted felon and unable to vote whatsoever (something that I do not stipulate, but hypothesize for the sake of this argument).
Convince me that the establishment Republicans are somehow different than Democrats in all of the above important topics.
Pinging Norm for fun.
Laz, don’t play with your food ;)
Her answer iss “You elected Obama”
If you whizz on your shoe, “You elected Obama”.
If you cure cancer, “You elected Obama”.
She has a one track mind and the train is named the Ole’ 97.
“Convince me that the establishment Republicans are somehow different than Democrats in all of the above important topics.”
You are not the only one who gets to choose the topic of discussion, so we may end up having none at all. I already gave a point by point rebuttal to your post re some of the differences between Dems and Pubs. Go read it again. I don’t feel like reiterating that which I already said.
Now, you have choices. You either vote Pub the next two elections, whether those Pubs are pure enough for you or not, or you don’t vote at all or you vote 3rd Party. If you choose either of the latter two, you are basically guaranteeing that a socialist/commie/pinko/fascist Dem gets in office as Prez, or a bunch of them get in as Congressmen. There is one choice to stop that from happening, and it is to vote Pub, whether you have to hold your nose while doing so, or not. That’s it. That’s the choice. There is no other.
To do otherwise guarantees that our country will sink into a third world cesspool at an ever accelerated pace and we will be unable to do anything about it. And if you truly think there are no differences between the worst of Pubs and the best of Dems, then I or any other pragmatic realist can’t help you, because you are cast in concrete in your misbeliefs and no one will be able to appeal to any sense of rationality or logic where none exists. I see things as they are, not as how one might wish things to be.
You of course have the option of voting for the most conservative candidate you can find in the primaries, tea party candidates, whatever, to go up against some of the more liberal Pubs that are now holding office, and I would encourage everyone to do so, as the primaries are the appropriate place to try to change the status quo to something more to your liking. However, once again, if you do it outside of the Pub Party at this time in our country’s history, that is a wasted vote. We don’t have the luxury anymore of wasted votes without adding to the destruction of our way of life in America.
Example, Obama/Biden/Kerry believe that they can stop Iran from building nukes by talking them out of it. That is completely irrational, but they believe it (or they are lying to themselves and others). But they are cast in concrete in their leftist appeasement beliefs. Are you one of them, only from the right? Are you unable to make a realistic assessment of how things are, not how you would like them to be? Then you will help to lead this country to hell in a hand basket far quicker than even you would wish. That’s unfortunate, because as I have stated before, you will take me, and others who see things as they really are, down with you.
I suspect I have made myself as clear as possible. You have a choice to make in the next two elections. Please don’t make one you will come to regret, perhaps for a lifetime. Conservatives cannot be as illogical and irrational as Dems, and make our decisions based on emotion only or we are no better than those on the far left. Somewhere, somehow, logical rational thought must kick in if we are to survive as a country.