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How smart was ancient man? (28 min video)
Creation.com ^ | 3-03 (but highlighted 1-16-2014) | n/a

Posted on 01/16/2014 10:37:41 AM PST by fishtank

DESCRIPTION A consequence of evolutionary thinking is that ancient people were intellectually inferior to moderns. On the other hand, the bible records that people began with high intelligence and had great capabilities. This week we look at evidence for the biblical record.

The Creation Magazine LIVE! TV program is a ministry of Creation Ministries International. With offices in seven countries and more PhD scientists than any Christian organization this program features cutting edge science that supports the Bible delivered in a non-technical, visually-rich, discussion-based format.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ancient; ancientman; creation; evolution
They first mention the antikythera mechanism, the "Baghdad battery", etc.
1 posted on 01/16/2014 10:37:41 AM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank

antikythera mechanism (from about a 2000 year old shipwreck)

2 posted on 01/16/2014 10:38:51 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

http://creation.com/creation-tv?fileID=uKSobV1UA1A


3 posted on 01/16/2014 10:39:30 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

I once read that some archaeologist had calculated that the average IQ among ancient Greeks of the Golden Age was around 120.

Considering all the brilliant men produced by a city of never more than 100,000, that makes sense to me.


4 posted on 01/16/2014 10:45:33 AM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: fishtank
DESCRIPTION A consequence of evolutionary thinking is that ancient people were intellectually inferior to moderns Not even close to the truth Bubba.
5 posted on 01/16/2014 10:47:30 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: fishtank

Why, thank you.


6 posted on 01/16/2014 10:55:09 AM PST by Ancient Man
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To: yarddog

US population in 1770s = 2,500,000. Leaders include Franklin, Jefferson, Madison.

US population in 2010s = 316,000,000. Leaders include Obama, Biden, Kerry.

Proof that natural selection does not favor intelligence?


7 posted on 01/16/2014 10:59:44 AM PST by conejo99
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To: conejo99

A proof that crap floats to the top of the talent pool in party politics.


8 posted on 01/16/2014 11:04:02 AM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: fishtank

“A consequence of evolutionary thinking is that ancient people were intellectually inferior to moderns.”

The evolutionary scientists have painted themselves into a corner on this one. According to their dating, we have had modern humans, anatomically indistinguishable from ourselves, for at least 100,000 years. Yet, by their same dating, they must insist that we were using the same rudimentary stone tools, with little technological innovation, for nearly that entire time period.

Now, it’s true that modern men can subsist with stone age tools alone, even to this day. However, we only see that happening with isolated pockets, who don’t have to compete with other humans, and who live in a stable, unchanging environment. We can’t posit the same conditions for man, worldwide, for 100,000 years.


9 posted on 01/16/2014 11:12:48 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: conejo99

Nah, that’s more like proof that artificial selection is less efficient than natural selection. If we were still mainly under the driving forces of nature, clowns like our modern politicians wouldn’t have survived to adulthood. They’re the curse we bear because we have been so successful at conquering nature.


10 posted on 01/16/2014 11:14:34 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: yarddog

Well, we’ve been killing off the best and brightest with wars for thousands of years. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if we have lost some IQ points, on average.


11 posted on 01/16/2014 11:15:55 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: fishtank
On the other hand, the bible records that people began with high intelligence and had great capabilities.

At which time the democrat party was formed....and we all no what happened then!!!

12 posted on 01/16/2014 11:19:56 AM PST by ontap
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To: fishtank

bfl


13 posted on 01/16/2014 11:39:46 AM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: fishtank

I think that ancient man was, on average, smarter. People then had to use their wits to survive - there was no welfare, etc. to cushion the impact of sheer stupidity. I believe that the movie, “Idiocracy” is prophetic, with large reductions in average intelligence already evident throughout the population.


14 posted on 01/16/2014 11:42:52 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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we might have more “highly intelligent” people now but on average today people are stoooooooooooppppiidddd


15 posted on 01/16/2014 11:44:49 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: conejo99

not in a society with a safety net and welfare.


16 posted on 01/16/2014 11:49:06 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Ancesthntr
The whole concept of nobility and not marrying members of the lower class was in effect what drove the intellectual advances of the modern world.

As we have now abandoned that concept for over 100-150 years we are now reaping the consequences of intermarrying the intelligent with the less intelligent.

17 posted on 01/16/2014 11:53:26 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: fishtank

If they were all that smart, they’d have waited until after the internet was invented to be born, wouldn’t they?

I’m series!

Life without the internet?!? Why bother?


18 posted on 01/16/2014 12:01:49 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: fishtank
Question for the evolution / creation debate
With modern science now doing genetic engineering we are creating new forms of life..and it is assumed by some / many in the scientific community that we will some day create life from scratch.

So question in the future how will we be able to distinguish created life from naturally evolved life?

Because in the far future the only test I can think for created versus evolved is to look back at the fossil record for a pattern of emergence of new species. Oddly in that test i would expect created species should come in burst vs evolves species should come at a steady pace

19 posted on 01/16/2014 12:03:58 PM PST by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: conejo99

Watch the movie Idiocracy.

The future awaits...


20 posted on 01/16/2014 12:07:39 PM PST by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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To: fishtank

We stand on the shoulders of giants. The closer in time we get to creation, the greater the intelligence, the less genetic mutation and drift.

People were smart enough to invent things like the wheel, etc. Today we think they’re no-brainers, but at one point it took a brain to come up with those things. And they didn’t have the benefit of a few thousand years of accumulated human knowledge.


21 posted on 01/16/2014 12:11:26 PM PST by afsnco
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To: All

We could watch the David Letterman show and find out.


22 posted on 01/16/2014 12:33:08 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: RobbyS
A proof that crap floats to the top of the talent pool in party politics.

In other words, these politicians are the Cream of the Crap

:-)

23 posted on 01/16/2014 1:02:19 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (Folks ask about my politics. I say: I dont belong to any organized political party. I'm a Republican)
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To: afsnco
We stand on the shoulders of giants.

Obama also stands on the shoulders of giants, ie the last two Dem Prezzes preceding him. He's The Best of The Best, in that he combines the Morality & Integrity & Authenticity of Bill Clinton with the Effectiveness, Leadership and Matchless Accomplishments (especially in Foreign Policy) of Jimmy "The Peanut" Carter.

Or at least in the Dem's hagiography.

But from where I am, he appears to be Standing on the Shoulders of Midgets. (Apologies for defaming Little People)

24 posted on 01/16/2014 1:18:57 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (Folks ask about my politics. I say: I dont belong to any organized political party. I'm a Republican)
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To: Ancient Man

hahahaha!!!!

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!


25 posted on 01/16/2014 1:22:43 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

Just read what was written in the past. Our founding fathers wrote a lot, and much of it is difficult to interpret for modern readers. A good example is the Federalist Papers.

Then, go read the Bible. The apostle Paul wrote his epistles and freely quoted the Old Testament, likely from memory (especially while he was in prison).

Just because their technology wasn’t advanced like it is now, doesn’t mean they were stupid. In some ways I think modern devices detract from our intellect simply be being such a distraction. We don’t take the time to really ponder things like we should.


26 posted on 01/16/2014 1:33:47 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Disambiguator
A huge, well constructed temple complex has been unearthed in southern Turkey, as finely done as Egyptian stonework done thousands of years later. Who can know tell what might be unearthed after archaeologists have worked for another hundred years? Two hundred years ago, the learned were saying that Homer had no basis in fact. Now we know that The world of the Odyssey and the Iliad existed much as he described it, and who knows but that its leading characters were not real or at least based on real folks? We know so little but think we know it all. In the scale of time, our scientists are 18-year olds.
27 posted on 01/16/2014 1:58:27 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I could well be mistaken but I think if you look at the genealogy of some of greatest inventors and thinkers (DaVinci, Galileo, etc.) you’ll find that your theory falls flat on its face.


28 posted on 01/16/2014 2:08:23 PM PST by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: dubyagee
Either intelligence is inheritable or it is not.

If it is (as it must be) then breeding between two intelligent adults will on average produce more intelligent children than breeding between two dumb people, or between one intelligent and one dumb person.

Long before humans even knew of DNA or gene's we intuitively knew this and thus was born the concept of the aristrocry and why they only married each other or those who had newly earned their way into what was basically an elite breeding club.

29 posted on 01/16/2014 3:11:40 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Long before humans even knew of DNA or gene’s we intuitively knew this and thus was born the concept of the aristrocry and why they only married each other


And we got it wrong, In breeding is a useful tool but hybrid vigor is a better tool.


30 posted on 01/16/2014 3:27:46 PM PST by PeterPrinciple
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To: Disambiguator

Just because their technology wasn’t advanced like it is now, doesn’t mean they were stupid. In some ways I think modern devices detract from our intellect simply be being such a distraction. We don’t take the time to really ponder things like we should.


Intellect is a hard term to define though it easily rolls off our tongue.

You are right in that no one ponders any more, we let others do our thinking for us..................


31 posted on 01/16/2014 3:34:24 PM PST by PeterPrinciple
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To: fishtank

records that people began with high intelligence and had great capabilities.


I have a theory, can’t prove it but it would seem to me that we are devolving, meaning losing some of the amazing genetic information that we once had. But I have had some friends propose that backups exist in all that “junk DNA” and somehow the backups get used when needed.

Also wasn’t there just a discovery that there are multiple information patterns in DNA and we have only seen one?


32 posted on 01/16/2014 3:49:59 PM PST by PeterPrinciple
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To: conejo99
I think it was Lord Bryce who observed that American politicians tended to be mediocrities--the best men did not go into politics. He wrote a famous book about American government in 1888. He was later the British ambassador to the US.

If you except the Founding Fathers and an occasional individual after that period, there is a lot to be said for that assessment.

33 posted on 01/16/2014 4:59:02 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Yes, that’s worked so well for the British Monarchy. I’m sure intellectual ability in part lies in the genes...personality and societal upbringing likely play a large part, as well. I don’t think it’s something you can simplify — idiot savants are quite the quandary.


34 posted on 01/16/2014 5:02:08 PM PST by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: PeterPrinciple
Only marrying other members of the elite class is not the same as “in breeding”

Ashkenazi Jews have been breeding exclusively with each other for 1,000’s of years and are proven to be far more intelligent.

It is a mistake to think that humans can not be bred like any other animal breed for certain desired traits.

35 posted on 01/16/2014 5:23:20 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
America was primarily founded by the lesser sons of the European aristocracy (this was especially true in the South)
36 posted on 01/16/2014 5:25:50 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

It may be true that only the younger sons of aristocratic families would have gone to the New World (if they had no hope of an inheritance back home) but they must have been an insignificant proportion of the emigrants. Most people in England, Scotland, or Ireland were not aristocrats, and it was that sort of people who would willingly go to America. Of course some went unwillingly as punishment for crimes.


37 posted on 01/16/2014 6:14:07 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I think that’sh what Shimmy The Greek wash trying to say! Hic! Hic!


38 posted on 01/16/2014 9:11:41 PM PST by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.)
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To: fishtank

bkmk


39 posted on 01/18/2014 6:35:05 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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