Skip to comments.NSA Official: 'We Are Now a Police State'
Posted on 01/17/2014 2:35:53 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Last year, high-ranking NSA official Bill Binney said, We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state. Now, Binney says that the U.S. has already become a full-blown police state. Binney told Washingtons Blog on Wednesday that: The main use of the collection from these [NSA spying] programs [is] for law enforcement. [See the 2 slides below].
These slides give the policy of the DOJ/FBI/DEA etc. on how to use the NSA data. In fact, they instruct that none of the NSA data is referred to in courts cause it has been acquired without a warrant. So, they have to do a Parallel Construction and not tell the courts or prosecution or defense the original data used to arrest people. This I call: a planned programed perjury policy directed by US law enforcement. And, as the last line on one slide says, this also applies to Foreign Counterparts. This is a total corruption of the justice system not only in our country but around the world. The source of the info is at the bottom of each slide. This is a totalitarian process means we are now in a police state. Binney, a 32-year veteran of the agency, was instrumental in the creation of the NSAs surveillance program for digital information. He also served as the NSAs senior technical director. As a result, hes been sought after by a multitude of media outlets, like CBS, ABC, CNN, New York Times, USA Today, Fox News, and PBS. Concerning the collection of data by federal agencies mentioned by Binney, Washingtons Blog added that: By way of background, the government is spying on virtually everything we do. All of the information gained by the NSA through spying is then shared with federal, state and local agencies, and they are using that information to prosecute petty crimes such as drugs and taxes. The agencies are instructed to intentionally launder the information gained through spying, i.e. to pretend that they got the information in a more legitimate way
and to hide that from defense attorneys and judges.
“The Prisoner” TV series was based on the Panopticon State.
you’re either with them or against them.
The NSA are a bunch of juvenile wankers who live in their mothers’ basement and are de-selected Beta “males.”
I hope a lawyer reads this.
Any case that involved information gained via phone records or Email should be challenged. If the evidence came from NSA data then the case should be thrown out. In fact after the NSA has said this then it would appear to me that a LEO must prove that that the data did NOT come an NSA source.
Abolish this agency. Burn the records
Obama say “FORWARD !”
People say “Seig Heil !”
Now, Binney says that the U.S. has already become a full-blown police state
Not to mention tyranny.
planned programed perjury policy
isnt THAT special!!
I’ve long suspected that many amazingly lucky traffic stop drug busts weren’t lucky at all.
Ping for later
In the current system, the government has the means to gather all the info it needs, to railroad anybody who displeases the powers that be. The Obama administration has also repeatedly demonstrated the willingness to use power to punish political opponents.
Wouldn’t be hard for them to find something, pretend they never saw it, then go back and subpoena for it, and then present it in court, or if you’re prominent enough, just leak it to the usual suspects.
what I wonder about is do republicans have access or is it it strictly for democrats to use....or is it to the highest bidder....
I think Snowden is a hero.....imo....
Thought experiment: suppose police broke into your home without a warrant, while you were away, and saw things that make them decide they want to prosecute you. Would it now be legitimate for them to search for a pretext to get a warrant (eg, claim an informant said you have X, Y, Z in the house), kick in your door, and seize the items they illegally perused before?
NSA should profile Muslims.
Tax Slaves, we've become.
I won’t consider it a police state until I actually have to get security clearance to leave the county, show papers at the state border, and turn in ALL of my firearms and unapproved books.
A couple of years ago, a co-worker and I were discussing the film “The Lives of Others.” I posited that if we were not careful, we would end up that way. He literally laughed at me. He has retired since then, but if I run into him, you can rest assured I will remind him of this. By the way, he is a conservative.
Tax Slaves, we've become.
>>Police state? Yeh, I was thinking about that while I went through the security checkpoint on my way to the state re-education center to turn in my unapproved propaganda. Got a tinfoil hat on you? Mine’s blown off somewhere.
Your 20th century thinking is limiting your ability to see. In the 30’s, people had information on paper. They worked with real objects. Their prized material goods were...well...material.
Today, information is everything. It is our identity, our work, and for the younger generations, it is even their things of value.
A couple entries in a database and you can’t get car insurance, or the insurance you have no longer exists. Someone can hack your accounts and upload some child porn, and you become an instant pariah.
The NSA is the instrument of the 21st century police state and your tinfoil hat won’t protect you anymore because you carry the mind control device in your pocket.
Jesus H. Christ. ALL the revelations and you talk about TIN FOIL HATS??!?
Will you admit to being in a police state once you hear of many of the goons breaking doors down of people who might think differently than the State approves of?
Or will it require that they actually break YOUR door down?
And even then, will you admit it?
Look: Normally I would write "may your chains rest lightly upon you" but it looks like the chains will be on us all... so I will get scant Shaedenfreude from knowing you, too, suffer.
A child is coming
A child is coming
A child is coming to you
What are we gonna do when Uncle Samuel comes around Askin' for the young one's name
And lookin' for the print of his hand for the files in their numbers game
I don't want his chances for freedom to ever be that slim
Let's not tell 'em about him "
The hippie philosophy was/is not orthogonal to that of Constitutionalists.
That's the only reason I can come up with, that you would mock what is obviously happening.
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I think thats the plan alright.
How we stop them...I dont know.
>>You mean my lip balm?
Joke about it all you want. How old are you? If you are over 60, then the Information Age can be a joke to you, however the government doesn’t really consider you to be much of an issue anymore. Oh sure, you vote, but elections are rigged now by the very electronic devices that you are laughing at.
Just imagine how bad it would be if they collected information on a Speaker of the House or a Supreme Court Justice.
>>The hippie philosophy was/is not orthogonal to that of Constitutionalists.
I know. Until they merged with the hard drug culture, they really were the Tea Party. I have a lot of respect these days for real hippies (not the Prius-driving, Birkenstock-wearing Yuppies that think they’re counter-cultural today, but the real thing).
I knew that free flashlight from the vendor survey was too good to be true.
Has anyone done a return on investment analysis for this gargantuan data collection system?
I can’t imagine how much money several hundred acres of servers costs, but it can’t be cheap. Exactly how many terrorists has this allowed us to capture?
I don't think 'Divide By Zero' is an allowable mathematical construct.
The biggest problem I'm going to have with the zombie apocalypse is wiping the huge grin off my face.
-——Exactly how many terrorists has this allowed us to capture-——
The whole point is to secretly observe enemies. There can be no ROI calculations because of the need for secrecy . In war secrecy, intense secrecy, is justified. To argue otherwise is just plain foolish.
There is no evidence at all of misuse of the meta data. My sense is that federal and local meta data is obtained outside the NSA with no warrant. That info can be used to get a warrant with adequate probable cause.
Collection and use of third party metadata is not a violation of the constitution.
NSA members of Congress and the President are a bunch of juvenile wankers who live in their mothers basement and are de-selected Beta males.
The NSA were hired to do a job. It's not one I'd want to think I would do. But keep the responsibility where it belongs. Our government is doing this to us.
Not to get off track, but that reminds me of how I shake my head everytime I hear Obama talking about "investments in our future". Government never met a negative ROI it didn't love. And that's the beauty of it - the program thus never has to go away, it just needs more money thrown at it.
But the accused has to prove it.
You go ahead and keep believing that.. They may have young minds, but their idea’s on warfare are from very old school and not all of them are basement dwellers.
At least one. They used the phone records of the Boston Marathon bombers to identify the third throat slasher in the previous murders.
Then they shot him eighteen times when the eight hour interrogation was slowing down.
But that's okay, because they are druggies and drug abusers shouldn't have rights. Except when it's an overweight guy on AM radio that we like....then it's a political witch hunt and the rules shouldn't apply to him. But them others can rot in a jail cell. Or Hell. Or something. Because they're bad and didn't do as they were told.
Don’t forget to receive your little red book or modern equivalent.
Re: The Lives of Others
At my parents’ house, Holder is referred to as “Markus Wolf”.
Due to the Pajama Boy crap, the name Obama was not to be uttered at the house on Christmas Day. Instead we referred to him as Party Secretary.
CW2 close, but the authoritarians want us to fire the first shot. They’ll need to stage something so that the drones can lend popular support and shout USA, USA!
Kristalnacht occurred after a French Jew killed a Nazi ambassador Paris. We all know that the Reichstag was staged; a low IQ Dutch guy was set up as a patsy, and the incident was blamed on Hitler’s major opponents- the communists.