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Historic Law to Un-insure People, Then Insure Some of Them and Claim a Victory for Social Justice
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Posted on 01/19/2014 4:54:07 PM PST by Sub-Driver

January 19, 2014 7:19 PM Historic Law to Un-insure People, Then Insure Some of Them and Claim a Victory for Social Justice By Rich Lowry

The Wall Street Journal had a devastating report this weekend on how most, and perhaps the overwhelming majority, of people enrolled on the Obamacare exchanges were previously insured:

Early signals suggest the majority of the 2.2 million people who sought to enroll in private insurance through new marketplaces through Dec. 28 were previously covered elsewhere, raising questions about how swiftly this part of the health overhaul will be able to make a significant dent in the number of uninsured.

Insurers, brokers and consultants estimate at least two-thirds of those consumers previously bought their own coverage or were enrolled in employer-backed plans.

The estimate from a McKinsey survey of the percentage who were previously insured is much higher:

Only 11% of consumers who bought new coverage under the law were previously uninsured, according to a McKinsey & Co. survey of consumers thought to be eligible for the health-law marketplaces. The result is based on a sampling of 4,563 consumers performed between November and January, of whom 389 had enrolled in new insurance.

We had to upset the apple cart of American health insurance for this?


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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FAIL......
1 posted on 01/19/2014 4:54:07 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Kind of like “The Trail Of Tears” in a way.


2 posted on 01/19/2014 4:57:44 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Sub-Driver

It cannot be repeated enough that the political party which made health care a political issue for decades, in the guise of helping the poor and the homeless, ended up causing more people to be uninsured than it enrolled. And THEN, some of the law had to be unlawfully delayed until AFTER the elections to protect the clowns that imposed it on the population. EPIC FAIL.


3 posted on 01/19/2014 4:59:07 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Sub-Driver

All analysis needs to exclude 0bamaMedicaid peeps.


4 posted on 01/19/2014 5:02:16 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Sub-Driver

Social engineering by idiots who believe they are intelligent beyond imagination


5 posted on 01/19/2014 5:05:42 PM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: Sub-Driver

Next step is for the call that it was a good try, but we have to have single payer to fill in where this failed and because everything in the market is in Chaos (as planned)....


6 posted on 01/19/2014 5:08:56 PM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: Sub-Driver

Obamacare. Twice the price. Half the coverage.


7 posted on 01/19/2014 5:17:47 PM PST by Flick Lives (Got a problem with the government? Have a complaint. Get a free IRS audit!)
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To: Sub-Driver

NOTHING is changed ... for the EXEMPT hated Congress,
their staff, their families, and the Moslems they serve,
and arm, and bow to, as they continue to the ignore
the US Constitution.


8 posted on 01/19/2014 5:17:48 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: ex-snook

ping


9 posted on 01/19/2014 5:18:50 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Sub-Driver

This law is the most evil thing to ever come from a president and the democrat party. People really need to ask themselves ‘why?’ before voting for democrats ever again.

Will the republicans take advantage of it? Time will tell, but if recent history is any example, then no they won’t.


10 posted on 01/19/2014 5:29:16 PM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: Sub-Driver
It was never about health care. It is about power and control. It is destroying the US health care system, increasing dependency on the Federal government and giving Obama life and death powers. Obamacare is an outstanding success - just not for the goals that the gullible thought it was for.
11 posted on 01/19/2014 5:30:07 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Sub-Driver

No, not a fail ... they accomplished most of what they set out to accomplish. Single Payer is closer than ever.


12 posted on 01/19/2014 5:39:23 PM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: Sub-Driver
We had to upset the apple cart of American health insurance for this?

How else would you start a MASSIVE new welfare program? It has nothing to do with health or insurance…only redistribution of wealth to the favored cronies, dark skinned peoples and assorted parasites.

13 posted on 01/19/2014 5:57:09 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Truth29

You are exactly right.

I wish so-called conservative publications would stop printing drivel with words like “social justice” and “insuring the uninsured”.

The demoncrat elitists want to know EVERYTHING about EVERYONE so that only those who agree with them will receive crumbs from fedgov. The rest of us are on our own and soon to be headed to the camps.


14 posted on 01/19/2014 6:01:24 PM PST by 43north (I could never be a liberal because I can't get my head far enough up my arse.)
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To: 43north
"To insure the uninsured, we must first make the insured uninsured and then make them pay more to be insured again, so the original uninsured can be insured for free."

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

15 posted on 01/19/2014 7:47:02 PM PST by Varmint Al
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To: Sub-Driver

Now, how many of the 11% that were previously uninsured are how on Medicaid?


16 posted on 01/19/2014 9:38:34 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Don't forget the many millions who have enrolled in Medicaid, which is completely free.

I will guess a substantial number of them had no insurance in 2013.

Which brings up an obvious question I asked before Obama signed the bill in 2010:

Why didn't we just put ALL the low income folks on Medicaid and leave the rest of the health system alone?

Clearly, the cost issue would still have been a significant problem, at least $150 billion a year.

But our deficit spending is already so huge, what difference would another $150 billion make?

Now, we are stuck with this insanity, because it is clear that McConnell, Boehner, and Paul Ryan are not going to do one serious thing to stop ObamaCare.

17 posted on 01/19/2014 11:31:05 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Cowboy Bob
From memory - 2.9 million sign ups for Medicaid as of 01 December 2013.

It sounds like the poll only asked for information on those who paid for new policies.

That would exclude Medicaid, which is free.

At this point in time, the sign up data is almost useless.

There are too many variables to keep track of:

Federal exchanges.

24 state exchanges, each one with different options.

Medicaid. "Old" Medicaid. "ObamaCare" Medicaid.

Paid policies.

Sign ups for policies, but not yet paid for.

The Silver Plan, which has multiple layers of subsidies for premiums, co-pays, deductibles, and total out of pocket expenses.

Three other plans that have no subsidies.

18 posted on 01/20/2014 12:11:08 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: Sub-Driver
So there is no evidence that the effect of ObamaCare on the people, has done anything positive. It disrupted people’s existing arrangements without insuring many people who were previously uninsured - and those previously uninsured are now “enrolled,” if that is the word, in Medicaid.

And Medicaid is known to be the very next thing to useless.

Obama’s Great Leap Forward.

19 posted on 01/20/2014 12:54:53 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Sub-Driver

The title of this article is EXCELLENT! That idea needs to be hammered home among all the bleeding heart social justice whiners. They need to have their noses rubbed in the fact that their votes to “insure everyone” have had the opposite effect. And to add insult to injury, costs have gone up for nearly everyone. As far as I can tell, there have been no positives with this law. The only winners have been crony capitalists who made money (some insurers, incompetent and unqualified website designers, etc.), and a very, very few people who were previously uninsured. The social justice crowd needs to answer the question about whether it was ok to acquire insurance for a few previously uninsured while causing a larger number to become uninsured. Is this what they wanted all along?


20 posted on 01/20/2014 3:29:21 AM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: All
INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH BARF BAG ALERT ObamaCare is officially the law of the land----w/ Boobamba unilaterally changing or delaying sections to exempt hand-picked voting blocs----in order serve the social justice interests of the Obama administration and the Democratic Party.

Now it can be told:

OBAMA/CARE IS A SOCIAL JUSTICE LOTTERY......and, IMHO, is eminently prosecutable under those terms.

ANLYSIS Obama called Americans' cancelled health plans "substandard". Ergo, a good lawyer would construct his legal arguments around the fact that Obama means Americans must buy plans HE likes---plans he specifically designed to serve his social equity and income redistribution goals......

......same as a state lottery redistributes income to education, etc.....to achieve socially beneficial goals......

In Obama's calculated view, "some" Americans must now pay first-class fares for coach seats so that "hand-picked" Americans can pay less, and receive extra benefits.

O/Care induces every American into paying into the program. Some people "win" subsidies, tax breaks, deferments, exemptions, etc, while others are "losers"---excluded from these benefits.

Obama picking winner and losers raises legal questions that Obamacare is an illegal lottery. By picking winners and losers.....a court might decide O/Care is an illegal lottery.

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REFERENCE (I'm sure the law books have better examples): The following is an example of a Federal Statute defining Lottery:

According to 12 USCS § 25a, “lottery" includes any arrangement whereby three or more persons (the "participants") advance money or credit to another in exchange for the possibility or expectation that one or more but not all of the participants (the "winners") will receive by reason of their advances more than the amounts they have advanced, the identity of the winners being determined by any means which includes--

(A) a random selection;

(B) a game, race, or contest; or

(C) any record or tabulation of the result of one or more events in which any participant has no interest except for its bearing upon the possibility that he may become a winner. (SOURCE uslegal.com/lotteries)

21 posted on 01/20/2014 4:47:10 AM PST by Liz
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To: Sub-Driver
[Art.] We had to upset the apple cart of American health insurance for this?

Yes. To make employer-paid healthcare go away. So corporate CEO's could flow those premiums to their bottom lines (after taking a cut for incentive compensation).

The GOP can't quit this defense of Obamacare until private, employer-paid health insurance is, in the immortal words of Rahm Emmanuel,

DEAD! .... DEAD! .....DEAD!!!

</off stabbing table with knife> </off screaming> </off bulging veins and eyeballs>

22 posted on 01/20/2014 3:52:29 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Bullish
Will the republicans take advantage of it? Time will tell, but if recent history is any example, then no they won’t.

They already are. See my last.

23 posted on 01/20/2014 3:53:18 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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