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Washington Post Columnist: Monica Kinda Asked For It
Washington Free Beacon ^ | 1/27/14 | staff

Posted on 01/27/2014 11:35:03 AM PST by Nachum

Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus suggested former President Bill Clinton was not entirely culpable for his affair with Monica Lewinsky Monday on MSNBC.

The comment came in the context of a discussion about Sen. Rand Paul’s (R., Ky.) comments yesterday where he accused President Clinton of “predatory behavior” toward his former White House intern. Marcus said Republicans seem to address female sexuality only in the contexts of victimization or promiscuity.

To evidence her point, Marcus added she did not believe Monica Lewinsky was an entirely “innocent victim” in the scandal. “I recall some thong flashing there,” she said.

Full exchange:

ANDREA MITCHELL: So, the Republicans still have a ways to go in figuring out –

RUTH MARCUS: What i think they need to do — sorry to interrupt. They need to write a list of words –

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1 posted on 01/27/2014 11:35:03 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Oh, really? Typical liberal neither taking responsibility or blame for what one of their own has done. Always another’s fault.


2 posted on 01/27/2014 11:39:03 AM PST by madison10
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To: Nachum

Conclusion: Clinton’s a slave to his animal instincts, unable to control himself and can’t be blamed for responding automatically to a flashed thong by humping the lust object.

Got it.


3 posted on 01/27/2014 11:39:25 AM PST by Argus
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To: Nachum

Just like all victims of rape and sexual harassment were asking for it, too.

Or is that only when the perp is a Democrat?


4 posted on 01/27/2014 11:40:33 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: Nachum
Liberals liberals liberals

The issue is not the "affair" - who cares ? I'd cheat on her Thighness too. The impeachable offense was lying many times to the Grand Jury!

5 posted on 01/27/2014 11:42:12 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Nachum

Well, she she did take a rather deep gulp.


6 posted on 01/27/2014 11:42:15 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Nachum
Of course she kind of asked for it. That is not the point, but it is a great effort by the Liberals to deflect the issue.

The issue is that Lewinski was a young subordinate and that Clinton should have had the manliness to exercise self control and avoid her.

So, Ruth, if a woman comes on to a policeman and he has sex with her, is that okay because she was kinda asking for it? How about a teacher with an 18 year old student? Is that okay because maybe the student was kinda asking for it.

7 posted on 01/27/2014 11:42:57 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: Nachum

Can you imagine them forgiving Bush for molesting an intern if she ‘flashed a thong’


8 posted on 01/27/2014 11:43:49 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Nachum

We let the msm destroy Todd Aiken because a comment. And no matter badly and how often Clinton abuses women he gets a pass.


9 posted on 01/27/2014 11:45:11 AM PST by Essie
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To: Nachum

Of course Monica was asking for it. That’s entirely beside the point. The issue was the extreme “power imbalance”. If Clinton had been (say) a community college instructor, and Lewinsky a student; he would have lost his job (and might even face criminal charges). It’s all about the “power imbalance” — making it a form of white-collar rape. Meanwhile, Clinton was the most powerful man in the world, and Lewinsky was an unpaid intern. There could not possibly be a greater power difference; and the onus was on Clinton to avoid improprieties — no matter what Lewinsky was “asking for”.


10 posted on 01/27/2014 11:48:15 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Mr. K
And Juanita Broaddrick should have just given 'it' up!

/scarcasm

11 posted on 01/27/2014 11:49:03 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Nachum

I wonder if Juanita Broderick was “asking for it” too?

I guess maybe ‘No’ doesn’t always mean ‘No’ does it... (if you’re a democrat)

Or Kathleen Willey. Can you believe the nerve of her to show up in the Oval Office and ask Bill for help the day after her husband died? She was asking for it...


12 posted on 01/27/2014 11:49:17 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Nachum

So...if Mitchell’s husband, the Crypt-Keeper, had a pretty, young, blind, desperate, pathetic intern come onto him, it would have been ok if the Crypt-keeper opened his fly, let the dust out, and then let her have her way with him? Got it.


13 posted on 01/27/2014 11:50:22 AM PST by Batman11 (Obama is not American.. he has no clue what it is to be American.)
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To: TexasCajun

14 posted on 01/27/2014 11:51:19 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Nachum

Hum I guess with her logic Beyoncé (Grammy Performance)is asking for it.


15 posted on 01/27/2014 11:52:06 AM PST by buggy02 (Never take life seriously, nobody gets out alive anyway.)
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To: Nachum

[ Liberal logic ]

It is more like Islamic Fundamentalist logic, ie. “the men have no self control or are expected to have no self control and the women if they get abused most certainly asked for it”.....

Pretty much Satanic from both sides


16 posted on 01/27/2014 11:53:00 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Nachum

it was the liberals who wrote sexual harassment laws whereby female subordinates cannot consent to sexual contact with male superiors due to the power relationship, so whether monica was willing or not, she was the victim.


17 posted on 01/27/2014 11:53:01 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Nachum

If any liberal was caught molesting a todler on the capital steps the media would blame the kid. Anything to protect their allies. If a conservative was found with picture of their 3 YO child in the bathtub the media would scream child abuse.


18 posted on 01/27/2014 11:53:48 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Of course Monica was asking for it. That’s entirely beside the point. The issue was the extreme “power imbalance”.

Oh puh-leeze. What, are you new?

All that "power imbalance" stuff only kicks in when it's someone the Left doesn't happen to like that's in the crosshairs.

19 posted on 01/27/2014 11:54:25 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Nachum
A conservative is mean, greedy, and selfish, and if he were to get his cold hands on a woman, that would be disgusting.

Whereas a progressives is kind, sensitive, and giving, and any woman would welcome his touch.

Just so you understand where liberal women are coming from.

20 posted on 01/27/2014 11:55:20 AM PST by oldbrowser (Obamacare is Obama's Great Leap Forward)
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To: Mr. K

No, and I can’t imagine Bush having so little respect for his wife and daughters, either.

Also, it’s obvious if a conservative commentator blamed the woman and her thong, there’d be hell to pay — not to mention proof of “the Republican war on women.”


21 posted on 01/27/2014 11:56:13 AM PST by Heart of Georgia
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To: Argus
Conclusion: Clinton’s a slave to his animal instincts, unable to control himself and can’t be blamed for responding automatically to a flashed thong by humping the lust object.

Also, if memory serves, Clinton at the start maneuvered her into jobs where she would be around more often, staying late, in his office alone, etc... etc... She was willing, but he knew what he wanted, clearly saw his opportunity, and planned accordingly.

22 posted on 01/27/2014 11:56:30 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Nachum
Clinton’s reckless sexual behavior was a threat to American national security.

Clinton and his supporters have been very effective in persuading large numbers of Americans that the Lewinsky scandal was “only about sex.” But I see a bigger issue here, because Clinton is on record as saying that he would have done anything to keep knowledge of the Lewinsky affair from becoming public.

To me, that statement raises a very serious question: What if, instead of sending her recorded Lewinsky conversations to Ken Starr, Linda Tripp had instead secretly offered them for sale, say, to the Chinese government? Or to the Russians? Or even to agents of Saddam?

What kind of blackmail leverage would those tapes have provided to a foreign government in dealing with America on sensitive trade, security or military issues? One of the few things Clinton ever said that I believe is that he would have done anything to keep the Lewinsky affair secret. Given his demonstrated track record of selling out American interests for personal or political gain, how far would he have gone in compromising America’s real interests in order to protect his own neck when threatened with blackmail?

Pretty far, I believe. Equally distressing is the prospect Clinton might, in fact, have actually succumbed to foreign black mail on other occasions in order to hide different sexual episodes that ultimately did not become public. There is no way to know, of course, but I prefer presidents for whom such a scenario is not a plausible possibility.

23 posted on 01/27/2014 11:59:56 AM PST by Maceman
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To: Nachum

“I recall some thong flashing there,” she said.

Gees I can only conclude she was there - involved in a threesome?


24 posted on 01/27/2014 12:00:50 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Bingo.


25 posted on 01/27/2014 12:01:34 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: TexasCajun

BINGO!


26 posted on 01/27/2014 12:01:51 PM PST by MSF BU (n)
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To: Steely Tom
Apparently, I was wrong to assume that everyone on this forum would get my drift.

You completely missed my point -- and yet you summarized it perfectly, in your last sentence.

27 posted on 01/27/2014 12:03:52 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Nachum

Remember that hard-core feminist Gloria Steinem defended Bill Clinton during the Paula Jones / Kathleen Willey / Juanita Broderick sex/rape controversies.

And she is the one who proposed the “One free Grope” rule whereby a man like Clinton (who she greatly admired) should get one free pass if he tries to pressure or force a female into having sex or performing a sex act.

Steinem developed that doctrine only after she stood by Anita Hill when she and the democrats tried to destroy Clarence Thomas for allegedly discussing sex and sex films with Hill.


28 posted on 01/27/2014 12:04:25 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences." - Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: Nachum
Ruth must be mad that she couldn't give Bill a hummer.
Doesn't matter if Monica rapped Bill, He was still the POtUS, and as such he should never let himself into a position where there could be an impropriety.

But it doesn't matter as he is dem so all logic and laws do not apply.

29 posted on 01/27/2014 12:04:34 PM PST by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: Nachum

Yet they screamed bloody murder when Todd Akin said what he said about rape..gee..liberalism truly is a mental disease


30 posted on 01/27/2014 12:07:19 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Nachum
I'm going to say this real slowly so idiots like Ruth can understand.

Employer. Employee. Authority figure. Got it?

Monica Lewinsky was an intern. She was an employee. Got that. Employee.

Bill Clinton was the CEO. He was her boss. Employer. Authority figure. Got it?

Taking the moral issues aside, bosses shouldn't be getting their blanks blanked by employees, unless there was a pre-existing relationship. As he's the authority figure, it opens things up for harassment lawsuits if things end badly. It also affects national security in this case due to blackmail leverage.

So even if "hey she was askin for it!' which even male chauvinist pigs like me (oink oink) don't use anymore, it was at best - a real dumbassed thing for Clinton to do as long as she worked there.

Moral issues aside, there's a reason I don't go out and sleep with my clients or employees. As the sayings go. "Don't crap where you eat. Don't sleep where you work."

31 posted on 01/27/2014 12:09:55 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Nachum
Monica Kinda Asked For It

When you are POTUS, a 19 year old intern should be totally "Off Limits" even if she is begging for it. A First Lady that gives this perv a skate is no lady. Enabling sexual harassment is anathema to the liberal code and justifying Hilary just proves the insanity of the liberal mind.

32 posted on 01/27/2014 12:11:27 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Nachum
Marcus said Republicans seem to address female sexuality only in the contexts of victimization or promiscuity.

So I guess that Marcus was absent when the Dems went to town during the Clarence Thomas hearings. Or just the other day when Obama gave his foolish "I've got your back" speech regarding female sexual assault victims.

33 posted on 01/27/2014 12:14:54 PM PST by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Nachum

Was this columnist named ‘Mike Hukabee’? No? Okay then, no matter.


34 posted on 01/27/2014 12:18:19 PM PST by alancarp
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To: Argus

Clinton has a history of such behavior.


35 posted on 01/27/2014 12:20:48 PM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: atc23
The impeachable offense was lying many times to the Grand Jury!

We still have no idea what the meaning is "is" is.

36 posted on 01/27/2014 12:21:25 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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To: Nachum

Hey Ruth Marcus - what about Paula Jones? Was she ‘asking for it’? Or Juanita Broaddrick - the ‘chick’ who the FBI said had a credible rape charge against Clinton?

We know she was ‘asking for it’...

Can we use the word ‘chick’ now - and how about dirty jokes where ‘girls’ are the brunt of the joke?

Come on Ruth Marcus, tell us how far we can ALL go, not just Clinton.


37 posted on 01/27/2014 12:21:53 PM PST by GOPJ (Liberals never let something as petty as being 100% wrong stop them - Blood of Tyrants)
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To: Nachum

She was a young gullible lady infatuated with the most powerful man on earth paying dirty attention to her.

He broke every Federal and civil law regarding people in power messing with the vulnerable help there is.

Plus he gave China rocket and missile guidance technology so China can now blow a nuke up anywhere in the world.


38 posted on 01/27/2014 12:24:38 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Nachum

The question is, “Was Monica Lewinsky a victim.”

The answer is, “No.”


39 posted on 01/27/2014 12:29:15 PM PST by babble-on
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To: Nachum

The most powerful man on earth and an unpaid intern.

If a republican had exploited this..... and the follow up would be that her role was only to service him, there was never an affair, or a relationship, or even the conventional sex act, it was her servicing him.


40 posted on 01/27/2014 12:31:41 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Did I misunderstand you, or did our respective ironies cancel each other out, passing like ships in the night?

A mystery.


41 posted on 01/27/2014 12:35:45 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Nachum
Is Bob Menendez going to say the same thing about his under-age Dominican hooker?

-PJ

42 posted on 01/27/2014 12:38:09 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Nachum

It’s true. She did flash her thong. Ross Perot said he would have called her daddy and said “Your daughter just showed me her panties!”

The thing is, Clinton, as the elderly “gentleman” should have had more control and.....and....and....CALLED HER DADDY and asked “Do you have any daughters who are a little bit older and not so fat?”


43 posted on 01/27/2014 12:39:47 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Obadiah
How about a teacher with an 18 year old student? Is that okay because maybe the student was kinda asking for it.

Yeah, actually. Student/Teacher sex is permitted on most college campuses. ASU, I know for sure.

44 posted on 01/27/2014 12:51:09 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

really?

That’s crazy.

“Sure getting good grades these days, Lisa... how do you do it??”

“Doggy style”


45 posted on 01/27/2014 12:52:21 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: atc23

And Specter voted “NOT PROVEN”....


46 posted on 01/27/2014 12:53:58 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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47 posted on 01/27/2014 12:55:32 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Nachum

Juanita Brodderick, Paula Jones, etc., etc.


48 posted on 01/27/2014 1:01:15 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: GeronL

It’s how my ex did it. No joke.


49 posted on 01/27/2014 1:14:02 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: madison10

Sounds just like how the democratic lefts terrorist buddies dispense of justice for rape. It’s the woman’s fault.


50 posted on 01/27/2014 1:17:08 PM PST by spawn44 (MOO)
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