Posted on 01/28/2014 4:11:40 AM PST by Kaslin
“Will it improve lives of adults and children?
Will it be neutral in its effects?
Will it be harmful?”
None of which is the business of the government
Thank you... I particularly like the first question. The big excitement by a bunch of dopers to have every one join in is beyond pathetic. I have yet to see a documented case where Marinol is not effective for the medical user. I do not care what one thinks they know about marijuana providers, one cannot guarantee dosage or effectiveness.
Because some doofus wants to get high is not a reason to make it available. Plus the argument that it is no worse than alcohol is really bogus.
Indeed. There is no enumerated power that authorizes the federal government to legalize marijuana.
I think it is interesting that the same people that want to ban smoking want to legalize pot, Hmmmm!
“Other than toasting in celebration and partaking of the Eucharist, if you are Catholic, what other reasons are there to consume alcohol? How many drinkers do you know who take a few sips from a glass a few times a year?”
If I go to a Knights of Columbus event, it's quite likely that there will be beer, and perhaps wine. Many folks won't drink any of it, but many will have a beer. Or two. Or even three or four over the course of a long day. Or a few glasses of wine.
Nearly everyone I know drinks. And everyone I know who drinks does so socially and responsibly. In my own house, we typically have between a half-case and a case of wine in at any one time. We cook with some of it, but we drink the rest. A glass (or sometimes two) with dinner. Fairly ordinary for us. I have scotch, bourbon, rum and other hard liquors in the house. We drink those less often, but nonetheless, they get consumed over time.
My parents taught us to drink alcohol from an early age. I was four when I'd sip my father's nightly beer with dinner. Yup - four years old. I was little older at my introduction to scotch. I've just never had a problem drinking. I raised my own children similarly. My son goes to college on a campus where binge drinking is a notorious problem. He's the fellow who helps the more drunken ones back to their dorm rooms after they've puked their guts up.
The attitude toward alcohol that is prevalent in American society is purely insane. Don't drink a drop of alcohol till you're 21!!! Then, magically, the beer fairy will tap you on your head and you will be “ready” to drink! But not really! You'd be better off without the evil vice! But don't worry - if you just wait until you're 21, you'll do fine!
Drinking alcohol is ultimately a behavior that requires adult supervision and adult judgment. But learning those behaviors and judgment don't come at the blink of an eye at midnight on one’s 21st birthday. Ideally, children should be taught to drink moderately and responsibly. They should be explicitly taught when it is acceptable to drink and when it is not. How much is acceptable, how much is not. When to avoid alcohol, when to indulge. How to drink, how not to drink. The dangers of alcohol, the pleasures of it. How to select a good wine, a decent wine, an enjoyable beer, a fine liquor.
If parents teach their children what to do with this stuff when their children are young, their children will know what to do, will know how to behave as adults, and how to supervise themselves as adults when they turn 21.
My parents raised four children by this rule. We're a motley crew. Between us, there are three divorces, four failed marriages, mental illness, homelessness at times, financial problems, you name it. But none of us has ever had a problem with alcohol. Except my older brother, who died, we're all light, social drinkers. Yet, none of us were ever forbidden to drink by our parents, only that we learn to drink moderately and appropriately.
Sorry, I just don't know what in the world you're talking about. Lots of folks drink regularly or semi-regularly, with meals, in the context of social events, without overimbibing.
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Finally! Someone who references Miranol for medicinal uses.
Here’s my story: I was born with epilepsy. By the age of five or six I was having multiple seizures a week. They put my on a whole slew of drugs, some of which helped reduce the frequency of my seizures significantly, although I have to say that the side effects with sythetic drugs are really, really brutal in terms of mood swings and completely killing your libido.
Fast forward to my 20s, I start using cannabis. Seizures stop entirely. I stop using the sythetic drugs and starting just smoking pot to control my seizures. Where drugs like Depokate were able to get my seizures down to one every couple of months, cannabis cleared them up 100%.
Talked to my neurologist about it, and he said that it’s known that pot prevents seizures, but that it can damage your lungs from the smoke. Compared to the other manmade drugs that damange your liver and your kidneys. I asked him, “well, what if I use a vaporizer so my lungs don’t get hammered?” and he told me to do what works for me.
I’m glad that you said Merinol. I haven’t tried it but I’ve heard about it. Although I’d be willing to see if it worked for me, I’m naturally a little skeptical about using man made synthetic drugs instead of a plant that’s naturally occurring.
“Will it improve lives of adults and children?
Will it be neutral in its effects?
Will it be harmful?”
None of which is the business of the government
Well that brought back some old memories! Dad would send me to frig to bring him a beer and I always got that first cold sip, dad called it the cream off the top!
So is the writer in favor of Alcohol Prohibition? If not, why not? He makes an excellent case that while pot is horrible and worthy of prohibition, alcohol is at least equally bad.
How DID that whole alcohol prohibition thingie work out for us? I do remember from my history class that we have had that experiment.
WTF dude (author of the article). Can’t you learn from history?
In your never so humble opinion, which has nothing to do with anyone else, and the question was NOT regarding kiddie porn. It’s about intoxicants, of which you seem to be partaking of large quantities.
I'm not a Catholic, so please forgive my intrusion. I was just reading why Matt Drudge might have tweeted "Have an Exit Plan" after having read about the weakening and soon collapse of our Earth's magnetic field and the radiological and societal chaos to follow, so my thoughts are in the post-SHTF frequency range at the moment thinking about food and clean water.
The fermented drinks, from almost no alcohol kombucha through progressively higher content wines, beers and ales, are full of things that are good for you and the alcohol kills off the bad. (Nice combo. Thank you, Father.)
Regarding drinking alcohol, I think it depends upon your intent and remember that "all things in moderation" is a good place to stay.
Best not to give Jesus a rival or Satan an opening.
Most have seen or know what "too much" looks or feels like. Many know the disgust, some the heartache, and a few know the horrors, of cleaning it up.
Those are but a few of the not-so-fine print warnings about misuse and abuse, written on the label of life by the Creator Himself, meaning that you really don't want to be, be around or have your kids grow up around alcoholism.
You do it your way, and I’ll do it mine. I’ve talked to my son about alcohol, and I’ve advised him to not touch it until he’s college age. Early exposure to alcohol is the nearly universal experience in alcoholics that I’ve talked to, and I’ve talked to a lot. Young brains (pre-teen and teen) are are wiring themselves for the future, and early exposure to alcohol can wire them for an affinity to it. Your anecdotal success doesn’t dissuade me. I’m comfortable keeping an alcohol free house, and doing all in my power to prevent my children from consuming it.
Except that every one of those yutes will be in violation for schmoking under the age of 18/21.
We called it “taxes,” LOL!
Then they definitely should reconsider the 0.08BAC DWI laws (that are being pushed downward to 0.03BAC). MADD and trial lawyers and making good bank on them (so are ever vigilant legislators seeking re-election). Then again, if you no hablo engles, you may be cut loose to kill later. It's about revenue, not public safety.
If someone shows up for work stoned, it's just as bad as showing up drunk. If someone drives under the influence of anything, that's their own bad choice.
Some say that drinkers don't drink to get wasted, while there's no reason for smoking pot EXCEPT to get stoned. I disagree... I think teenagers do drink (or smoke pot) to get wasted... and some adults do as well. I also know many responsible adults who do smoke pot... in their off time, in order to simply relax... no different than having an after-dinner drink.
Regardless of the substance, there are responsible people and there are irresponsible people, and it should come down to personal responsibility for one's choices in life.
Kiddie porn is NOT between consenting adults. There are victims there. That makes it the government’s business.
There is no enumerated power that authorizes the federal government to legalize marijuana.
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LOL.
You are a bit too subtle for many here, I believe.
Forgive my skepticism toward, “Young brains (pre-teen and teen) are are wiring themselves for the future, and early exposure to alcohol can wire them for an affinity to it.”
I've also been told by “experts” that pre-adolescent and adolescent brain development preclude the ability to learn algebra much before the age of 13 or 14 and calculus before one is 17.
What may be true statistically in some sense may not have much to bear on individual experience.
I've also read that nearly everyone who got into serious drug problems drank milk as a child.
Nonetheless, parents should do those things with which they're comfortable. I was just pointing out that your initial post, “Other than toasting in celebration and partaking of the Eucharist, if you are Catholic, what other reasons are there to consume alcohol? How many drinkers do you know who take a few sips from a glass a few times a year?” flies in the face of the experience of many (most?) folks. There are plenty of folks who are light to moderate social drinkers.
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Never said it was. It is the business of the individual to ask and answer those questions for themselves.
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