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A ban on autos? Major cities consider going carless
CNBC.com ^ | January 26, 2014 | Paul A. Eisenstein

Posted on 01/28/2014 9:59:34 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine

Germany, home of the high-speed autobahn, is perhaps one of the few countries that has had as intense a love affair with the automobile as the U.S. But in an effort to go green, the country's second-largest city is studying ways to eliminate cars by 2034.

The northern city of Hamburg has laid out an initial concept, named the Green Network Plan, that would expand public transportation and add more routes for pedestrians and bicyclists. The most controversial aspect of the plan calls for a steady phase-out of automobiles in the center of the city over the next two decades.

And Hamburg might not be alone. The idea of banning, or at least reducing, the use of automobiles in city centers has become an increasingly hot topic among urban planners, especially in Europe and other industrialized countries dealing with issues as diverse as congestion and smog.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Germany
KEYWORDS: carless; cities; climatechangehoax; envirowackos; globalwarminghoax; luddites

1 posted on 01/28/2014 9:59:34 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Related...

Hamburg, Germany, to ban cars in 2034
http://www.leftlanenews.com/hamburg-germany-to-ban-cars-in-2034.html


2 posted on 01/28/2014 10:00:13 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Much easier to keep those immobile Serfs in line.


3 posted on 01/28/2014 10:03:13 PM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: Kozak

That’s right!


4 posted on 01/28/2014 10:03:48 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Kozak

I see this happening in Seattle and Portland within the next 10 or so years.


5 posted on 01/28/2014 10:04:15 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Soon you will need a license from the EPA to own an internal combustion engine.


6 posted on 01/28/2014 10:05:02 PM PST by allendale
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To: Jack Hydrazine

In fact cars are all but banned in German cities already.
Parking costs are ridiculously expensive and it is really hard to find a parking space anyway.
On the other hand U-bahn, S-bahn are really cool. In Munich you can get into any place to another under 40 minutes.


7 posted on 01/28/2014 10:05:33 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Wir Fahren Fahren Fahren auf der Autobahn...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-G28iyPtz0


8 posted on 01/28/2014 10:07:38 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Cars are too private— it’s much better for enforcement if all of the serfs are squeezed through police checkpoints.


9 posted on 01/28/2014 10:10:19 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I remember that driving a rental car around central Cologne on a workday is.. stressful. Bikes and pedestrians everywhere and space is limited.. doesn’t suprise me that most EU and UK cities will be doing this..
Walking around places like old city and the cathedral area is
make it a great place for tourists.. people socialize and its really quite pleasant.. my favorite German city...


10 posted on 01/28/2014 10:11:28 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: RitchieAprile

I loved walking around Amsterdam, but you definitely have to watch out for the folks on the bicycles.


11 posted on 01/28/2014 10:12:28 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Good! More gasoline for me!


12 posted on 01/28/2014 10:13:23 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

That idea works if the center of the city has a very intensive public transit system—for example, Tokyo with its very extensive commuter rail and subway system. Problem is, American cities are a lot more “spread out” and that makes the idea not very practical.


14 posted on 01/28/2014 10:18:26 PM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Autobahn
15 posted on 01/28/2014 10:19:39 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (IX)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Beat you to it.


16 posted on 01/28/2014 10:20:40 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: RayChuang88

But many city and national politicians absolutely love the Europeon way of doing things and do their best to institute the Europeonization of America daily.


17 posted on 01/28/2014 10:21:05 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: RayChuang88

Evaluation of Lane Reduction “Road Diet” Measures on Crashes
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/10053/


18 posted on 01/28/2014 10:22:10 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Their town/city. Why should I care?

Of course they'll make what goes on in my town/city their business.

19 posted on 01/28/2014 10:32:12 PM PST by freerepublicchat
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To: RayChuang88
That idea works if the center of the city has a very intensive public transit system—for example, Tokyo with its very extensive commuter rail and subway system. Problem is, American cities are a lot more “spread out” and that makes the idea not very practical.

If cars were banned cities would become much less spread out as local demand for services would draw businesses closer.

Of course powerful zoning boards would make that illegal.

20 posted on 01/28/2014 10:35:19 PM PST by freerepublicchat
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To: RitchieAprile

What works for Europe won’t work here and vice versa.


21 posted on 01/28/2014 10:36:14 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Jack Hydrazine

...let’s start with LA


22 posted on 01/28/2014 10:45:16 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: dfwgator
Beep Beep
23 posted on 01/28/2014 10:56:31 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (IX)
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To: dfwgator

This should go over BIG with the German’s “silent majority”. God knows, the German people have just hated building and driving cars for over 100 years.

I suppose that the “Greens”, having thrown the towel over energy and global warming, are now moving to the consuming end of their supposed “problem”.

Their government will experience a big, practical, conservative backlash over ridiculous ideas such as this-just like this one will.


24 posted on 01/28/2014 11:15:46 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

public transportation is an improvement for predators hunting victims and for germs to infect. Hamburg will suck.


25 posted on 01/28/2014 11:16:14 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Are we talking the entire city, or mainly city centers?


26 posted on 01/28/2014 11:18:43 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

“Are we talking the entire city, or mainly city centers?”

Basically, most very large city “downtowns” have already effectively solved this problem - try to find parking, and then try to find parking that isn’t fantastically expensive.


27 posted on 01/28/2014 11:28:36 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Hey, the Air Force could bomb it again. Quick and efficient way to clear out the center of the city and its cars, and its buildings and its people. A Three-fer.

Calling the 8th Air Force. We have a mission! Norden bombsights for all!


28 posted on 01/28/2014 11:44:54 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: RitchieAprile
I remember that driving a rental car around central Cologne on a workday is.. stressful. Bikes and pedestrians everywhere and space is limited.. doesn’t suprise me that most EU and UK cities will be doing this..

Isn't it just a tad on the cool side, riding a bike in the middle of January?

29 posted on 01/29/2014 12:19:08 AM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Gosh, never heard this original version. Two others, I think.

Die Fahrbahn ist ein graues Band
Weisse Streifen, gruener Rand

That’s deep!


30 posted on 01/29/2014 12:38:02 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Bicycles for everyone. It is the Commie/environmentalist dream. How does that work with a foot of snow on the ground and zero degrees?
31 posted on 01/29/2014 3:39:07 AM PST by iontheball
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To: Kozak

Bingo!


32 posted on 01/29/2014 3:52:22 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: RayChuang88

“That idea works if the center of the city has a very intensive public transit system”

That only works if it is free from unassimilated bandits. In US cities you are only safe if you use a “convoy system”, where bands of people that are homogeneous afford each other a measure of safety.


33 posted on 01/29/2014 4:08:24 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Yes, the bicycle system would definitely be the solution. Cars just clog up the roads when it snows. If they weren’t there, cyclists would have a lot more room. Also, cars block the invigorating effects of -50 F windchill.

/s, just in case


34 posted on 01/29/2014 5:05:34 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Yes, traffic jams lead to lower speeds and fewer bad accidents.

Less lanes, less cars, lower speeds, less accidents. Great for pedestrians and bikes, a major pain for people living in the area. The road is a state route! They let them cut it from 4 lanes to 2 with one turn lane. To drive a one mile stretch on a busy day takes a while. People then drive through the neighborhoods, increasing traffic on residential streets.

They did that to a main street in a nearby suburb. Nice in the summer time since there is a lot of pedestrian and bike traffic. Lots of action for stores.

January? Not so good. No pedestrians, no bikes, no walk-ins for the stores. Traffic jams due to 2-lanes, still major pain for people living in the area.

On size fits all won’t work in about half the country where winter happens.

There was a proposal on another nearby wider road for raised medians, which would narrow where turns are needed. This didn’t happen due to ‘budget’ problems. I would hope saner minds realized that forcing cars wanting to turn into a limited number of defined short turn lanes would have been a disaster.

If the turn lane can hold 3 cars and 6 cars want to turn, the whole through lane is blocked. People either wait, or change lanes. More frustration and accidents. They eventually avoid that lane altogether, thereby narrowing the road by a lane. Turn lanes without raised medians allow drivers to adjust how many cars can fit into the turn lane at a time.


35 posted on 01/29/2014 5:28:19 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: freerepublicchat

“If cars were banned cities would become much less spread out as local demand for services would draw businesses closer.”

Without cars, what mode of transit would you use to carry a week’s worth of groceries back to your Marxist hovel?


36 posted on 01/29/2014 6:36:25 AM PST by sergeantdave
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Without cars, what mode of transit would you use to carry a week’s worth of groceries back to your Marxist hovel?

That's one of the stupidest things I've seen written.

Cities existed long before cars. People didn't have to carry a weeks worth of groceries because the groceries came to them. A daily walk to the town market was enough to satisfy the need for food.

The law of supply and demand was developed on observing prices at these food markets, btw.

37 posted on 01/29/2014 7:51:45 AM PST by freerepublicchat
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“That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve seen written.”

Oh, my. Did I upset your Marxist dreamscape of human worker ants crammed into squalid big city hellholes?


38 posted on 01/29/2014 10:10:30 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave
Oh, my. Did I upset your Marxist dreamscape of human worker ants crammed into squalid big city hellholes?

Of course you did. Don't you understand that unelected Marxist "exspurts" have the right to decide everything for the masses, komrade ?

He/she/it is upset.

My solution is simpler. Shoot the city planners - or fund their departments at $1 per year, with no graft allowed.

39 posted on 01/29/2014 10:35:42 AM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: jimt

” Shoot the city planners - or fund their departments at $1 per year, with no graft allowed.”

A most excellent suggestion, jimt. In my previous incarnation in village politics, I was amazed by the number engineering firms, county board members and village council apparatchiks who lapped up the ridiculous city planning crapola spewed out by the Marxists in New York City.


40 posted on 01/29/2014 2:51:34 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Mark17

i was there in august ‘12, but cologne is not the coldest of cities even in january. romans grew grapes there..


41 posted on 01/29/2014 10:38:07 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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