Skip to comments.Election 2014: Kentucky Senate - Rasmussen (McConnell in REAL trouble! Bevin LEADS Grimes!)
Posted on 02/03/2014 9:43:17 AM PST by mn-bush-man
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No, he is neither!
SCMT we are just mean spirited.
gee thanks, MacWOW
I was SO HOPING you would respond to enlighten me.
Now, I can go to be happy.
And the Boss has posted numerous times that FR is not a debating society.
Doubtful. You'll just find someone else to blame for something they didn't do.
My panties are decidedly NOT bunched... just gets a little old, that's all.
It's not JUST JudiBug... whoever that fool was. It happens over and over. It's like a roving mob of people just PRAYING for someone to report. I mean, WTH? Do ya'll get points for pointing out trolls? Or what?
Cruel and unusual even!
well... I must admit, much of it WAS funny.
Just a BIT much is all..
You have an AMAZING ability to take ANY situation, and make it worse... I would really prefer if you just pretend I've already been ZOTTED...
I'll ignore you...
Another clue for you: Free Republic is NOT a liberal debating society.
We’re on the same side. Let’s drop it for now and go to Facebook. Just kidding about the facebook part
Don’t be a dipchit.
I’d rather you get a clue. Or two.
Your entire post here smacks of “abject whine”.
If you have a problem with trolls being banned, take it up with the boss!
Of course, those who defend trolls are themselves trolls.
Guy would be a big hoot over at UT thread, huh? The whole castle is one big diversion....
MOST annoying poster EVER
Have a good evening.
Have done... several times over the years.
Of course, those who defend trolls are themselves trolls.
I as wandering how long it would take for THAT!
here we go...
I’m thinking, let’s just go look for some trolls. But I am tired and logging off.
Not to worry, they’ll come to you. That’s what makes them so enduring. See you tomorrow.
McConnell runs dead even with Democratic challenger Alison Lundergan Grimes in Rasmussen Reports first look at the 2014 U.S. Senate race in Kentucky. But McConnells GOP primary rival Matt Bevin leads Grimes by six points.IOW, Bevin et al's negative campaigning against McConnell have weakened the eventual Republican nominee in the general; even were Bevin to win the primary, the current unknown quantity would get scrutinized and smeared by the partisan media shills during the campaign for the general election. IOW, he's doing exactly what was expected of him.
Is something wrong with Bevin or you just don’t think he’s a strong enough candidate to beat McConnell?
I suspected from the jump that McConnell due to his high unfavorably would be a weaker candidate than a fresh face.
I don’t think either would ultimately lose but if Bevin is polling better then that’s helpful for him to use in his primary campaign.
So you evidence to assert Bevin is a ‘paultard’ is that he is viewed positively by an online forum... and he stated he has non-interventionist foreign policy views.
Mee two. I wonder if there will be baby trolls to club today?
I strongly suspect that Bevin is a Paulistinian.
He came out of nowhere, was quickly endorsed by the Ron Paul Cultist websites, spoke out about how his foreign policy is similar to Ron Paul’s, was joined by Rand Paul campaign apparatchiks (I know, I know, McConnell hired some of Rand’s folks as well), and started raising big money from the same channels that many Paultards use to raise funds. Each item taken in isolation may be nothing, but put them together and I get a really bad feeling about him. I have a personal revulsion for Paulbots, and given the choice between a basically conservative—albeit very pro-establishment—Republican with a 30-year record that one can look at and that (you’ve got to admit) isn’t bad (McConnell’s lifetime ACU rating, covering 28 years, is 90%), versus an unknown quantity with Paulistinian characteristics and with absolutely no record to prove his conservative talk, I have to hold my nose and support the “establishment guy.”
As I’ve said repeatedly, I would support a conservative challenger to McConnell is I knew such challenger was a real conservative (I don’t consider Paultard Justin Amash a conservative: he’s half leberaltarian and half anti-Semite) and actually had the kind of background that could get one elected to the U.S. Senate. Some FReepers have pointed out that the problem is that the McConnell machine is so powerful in Kentucky and in DC that qualified, ambitious prospective candidates are afraid to run against him lest they lose the primary and then have their futures crushed, and I have no doubt that that is true, but the unfairness of the situation doesn’t make a bad candidate good.
Viennacon and others question my assertion that Bevin is a Paulistinian, and they certainly are correct that I can’t prove it. But if I’m wrong and Bevin has no affinity for Ron Paul’s cult nor does he share any of his agenda, he’s still an unknown quantity whose background is more appropriate for a far lesser office than the U.S. Senate. I see nothing in his résumé that makes me think that he’d be particularly good in a U.S. Senate campaign, much less as a U.S. Senator.
And then there’s the question of character. One of the few things we know about Bevin is that he lied on his LinkedIn entry about his education, falsely implying that he was an MIT graduate. Here’s the screenshot of Bevin’s LinkedIn profile, before he got caught and changed it: http://thehill.com/images/stories/news/2013/08_august/21/bevin.jpg
His “education” line next to his picture lists only “Massachusetts Institute of Technology,” and when one scrolls down to see the details of his education it says that he studied “Entrepreneurship” at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology from 2006-2008, and that he graduated from the Entrepreneurial Master’s Program at the MIT Endicott Campus. In fact, the “entrepreneurship program” in which Bevin was enrolled and from which he graduated has absolutely nothing to do with the Massachusetts Institute of Technology or any of its graduate schools.
Bevin falsely used the MIT name because the *conference center where he took his courses* happens to be owned by MIT and is used by its grad schools for some courses, but the conference center is also rented out to other folks. (I guess it’s a good thing that Bevin didn’t also take yoga classes held at the basement of the Harvard Law School building, or else he’d claim he attended Harvard as well.) What Bevin did goes far before disingenuousness and enters the realm of fraud, and such dishonesty is a really bad trait in a candidate, much less an aspiring public servant.
And this is the guy you all want me to suspend disbelief on and support for the U.S. Senate? Running a Senate race is hard enough for people whose life experience has prepared them for the challenge, and whom people can look at and say “he’s ready to be a Senator”: Joe Miller had a sparkling résumé and impeccable conservative bona fides, but couldn’t connect with less conservative voters and ran an arrogant and lackadaisical campaign in the general election, allowing the RINO Murkowski to steal the election from him. Miller failed despite the fact that *no one* could question his credentials or his honesty. What do you think that Alison Lundergan Grimes (or Grimey, as she prefers to be called) will do to Bevin if he wins the nomination? How will pretending to be an MIT grad sell in rural Kentucky? (And I know that Grimey will hit McConnell hard as well, but a ubiquitous 30-year Senator like McConnell will be far harder for her to “define” in voters’ minds than it will be for her to do to a newcomer like Bevin; besides, McConnell will have unlimited money to spend on rebuttals and his own attack ads.)
So, to answer your questions, yes, I think that there’s something wrong with Bevin. I also disagree with those who hold the (certainly legitimate) opinion that McConnell is a riskier bet for the GOP because of his high “unfavorable” in polls. McConnell always has high unfavorables, and he always ends up winning with the same 53% or so (except in 2002, when he won by a landslide). Electorally, he’s to KY what Jesse Helms was to NC: that juicy target whom Democrats always thought was within grasp but who always ended up winning by around 5%-8% (Helms’s vote percentages in his five Senate elections were 54.0%, 54.5%, 51.7%%, 52.5% and 52.6%, while McConnell’s vote percentages have been 49.9% (in an upset against the Democrat incumbent), 52.2%, 55.5%, 64.7% and 53.0%). Nine months out, I predict that if McConnell wins the nomination (which I think he will) he’ll beat Grimey by around 54%-45%.
I would be remiss if I didn’t address the recent Rasmussen poll that shows Bevin running stronger against Grimey than does McConnell. I think that at this stage of the campaign Bevin is a “generic Republican” and Grimey is “generic moderate Democrat” in many voters’ minds, while McConnell is McConnell. I suspect that many Bevin supporters, as well as many who aren’t Bevin supporters but who are pissed off at McConnell, express their discontent by telling pollsters that they “don’t know” whether they’d vote for McConnell or Grimey, or maybe even tell them that they’ll vote for Grimey so as to make McConnell look less electable. Frankly, I don’t foresee conservatives in KY voting for a liberal Democrat like Grimey (whom voters will think is named “Harriet Reid” by the time McConnell is through with her) over a Senator with a 90% lifetime ACU rating like McConnell. You are well aware by now of my distaste for Bevin, but I would vote for him in a heartbeat if he were the GOP nominee facing Grimey (and I wouldn’t say anything negative about him until at least election day); I think that, similarly, if McConnell wins the primary and a few months elapse, Bevin supporters and other conservatives who likewise are upset at McConnell will, in large part, hold their noses and vote for McConnell in order to kick Harry Reid out as Senate Majority Leader and stop Obama from packing the federal courts with liberal activist judges.
Anyhow, that’s how I feel about that topic. Sorry for the long post.
It’s difficult for me to hunt during business hours. The keyboard on my Android is so small.
This is a very unfair characterization. Bevin posted a photo of the diploma awarded from the program he attended. It is a program sponsored by the EO (Entrepreneur Organization) AND the MIT Enterprise Forum. This IS an organization affiliated with MIT. They don't "just own the building"... they co-sponsor the Master's program.
Mitch has used this falsehood with great affect in his negative advertising. But, it is false.
Are you serious? Bevin has hardly run ANY advertising... negative or otherwise. Most of what little he has run has been positive, just trying to introduce himself. The few negative ads he's run have been in response to HEAVY negative ads run by Mitch.
I have never seen an incumbent spend so much money, so early, to demonize a relatively unknown challenger. Mitch has carpet bombed the air waves. He even bought a local TV commercial in Louisville during the Super Bowl!
He's obviously, very worried.
I think we need more Libertatian Republicans in Congress. I’m not saying they should run the show, but they have many good ideas. We also need more Buchananites in Congress, as well.
I don’t mind libertarians, but Paulbots are completely irresponsible when it comes to defense matters and foreign affairs, not to mention immigration. And more Buchananites? Paulbots and Buchananites would cancel each other’s votes out on trade issues (Paulbots are free traders, while Buchananites are protectionists), but they’d vote in unison in serving Israel up in a silver platter to Islamists. No thanks.
So because the program was “sponsored” by the MIT Enterprise Forum (among others) it means that he can claim to have studied at MIT? The David Rockefeller Center for Latin American Studies is affiliated with Harvard University, but if it is one of several “sponsors” of adult-education courses in Boston it doesn’t mean that people who take the courses studied at Harvard.
Bevin claimed to have studied entrepreneurship at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology—that’s the name of a university, not a neighborhood in Cambridge. He added that the courses were “at the MIT Endicott Campus,” which is a business center that is rented out by MIT. He easily could have described his certification in a way that did not imply that he’s an MIT graduate, and used the same second and third paragraphs to describe the program (there’s some puffery in the second paragraph, but no dishonesty), and no one could have called him a liar. But he decided that being honest about the program he attended wouldn’t cut it, and he had to lie about it.
The Entrepreneurial Masters Program (apparently Bevin even misspelled the name) consists of shelling out $4,000 to attend four days of lectures, and then doing it again for two more years, and after having paid $12,000 to attend 12 total days of lectures over 3 years, they give you a nice diploma that you can show pictures of when asking for political donations. See http://events.eonetwork.org/emp/
I’m sure that many people consider that money well spent, and maybe participants leave there as the greatest entrepreneurs in the world, but I have to tell you that, having three first-cousins who graduated with a BS from MIT during the past 20 years, I know for a fact that one cannot get an MIT diploma by attending 12 days of lectures.
Who would pretend that participating in such program was the equivalent of studying at MIT for three years? Not an honest person, I would say. And if Bevin felt the need to pad his résumé in such an outrageous manner, I don’t think he’s very proud of his real accomplishments.
The issue is the representation. It sounds like he was beefing up a slim resume. Let’s not trade one weasel for another. I’m no McConnell fan, but is Bevin really the best conservative Kentucky can field?
“is Bevin really the best conservative Kentucky can field?”
It doesn’t matter, though, because the filing deadline already passed; if conservatives mulling a run weren’t scared off by possible retribution from the McConnell forces, they would have been scared off by Bevin raising so much money and making it obvious that jumping in only would result in McConnell winning handily (since the anti-McConnell vote would be split, and Bevin’s cash meant that he would be in for the long haul and get quite a few votes).
No question, the way the heading was shown was mis-leading. But, the information provided below it was accurate. It shouldn’t have been done the way it was. But, it was a LinkedIn page. Not a “resume” that you send to a prospective employer.
Sounds to me as if, MIT needs to protect their name a little better. If they allow their name to be used as a sponsor, it lends credibility to the training.
I don’t know about this program in particular, but I do know of people who obtained “Executive MBA’s” from LSU who probably didn’t attend much more than 12 actual classroom days. There was a ton of work done “off-line” and “On-line”... but, very little lecture. I don’t know if this course had that or not.
Suffice to say... he DID have this training. The details of it were accurately reflected on his LinedIn page. The headings were clearly mis-leading. I would presume this was intentional. But, I don’t think it rises to the level of dis-qualifying him forever for public office.
The BEST? Probably not. But, he is the ONLY one.
No one else was willing to risk it.
The “course description” sounds like the “courses” they offer on cruise ships. I doubt very much that this program consisted of a few months of studying on your own time and then four days of lectures; it’s a four-day-long series of conferences, which, quite cunningly, they’ve packaged together with two additional four-day-long series of conferences that the person has to pay for in order to earn the “certificate.” It’s like the Yale Travel Society, but without the Yale professors, and no one could claim that they “studied at Yale” because they heard some lectures while on a cruise of the Danube.
IMHO, the fact that Bevin paid $12,000 for the conferences does not speak highly of him, but it’s his money, and perhaps he feels that they were helpful enough in his business that he got his money’s worth. But claiming that he studied (nay, *graduated from*) MIT is more than just disingenuous, it is dishonest (and I don’t see the distinction between putting it on LinkedIn versus your résumé, since prospective employers check out LinkedIn all the time; and in this case, the people of Kentucky are his prospective employers). Honesty is something that I value highly, and this type of gratuitous fibbing (its gratuitous nature is reminiscent of Clinton claiming that he “tried [marijuana] once in England” and that he “didn’t like it and  didn’t inhale”) makes me think that he’s not trustworthy and just lies when he thinks he can get away with it. Maybe that’s not the case, but after that incident the onus is on him to prove that it’s not the case. He should run for lower office and prove that he’s honest and trustworthy—and actually stands for the policy positions he claims on his campaign page—before attempting a U.S. Senate run.
The CORRECT information about the program attended and yes, "graduated" from, is shown for anyone who wants to follow up on it. He doesn't say "graduated from MIT". Perhaps it's implied.. but, it's not the blatant lie it's been made out to be.
I'm not a believer that the only route to Congress is to work your way up there with a series of lower government jobs. Crap on that. It doesn't hurt to have a few business people in the body politic. They have plenty enough of those "career politician" types to keep the wheels moving.
Is Bevin my IDEAL candidate? No. He's not Ted Cruz. But, he's NOT Mitch McConnell either. I KNOW who and what Mitch is. A fine politician if there ever was one. But, he's not the right man for the fight that is ahead of this country. He and Boehnner are two peas in a pod. We need change. REAL change.
Nothing will shake up the status quo more than, taking out the Leader. To me? That's more important than the man we send there.
That said... I will NOT vote for Bevin if I EVER Think he couldn't beat Grimes. The MOST IMPORTANT thing is, to get control of the Senate. Right now? I think the Kentucky seat will remain Republican, no matter who wins our primary.
That’s why we need a better farm system.
No need to apologize for post length. I appreciate your take on the race.
Right now, I cannot come up with a good reason to keep McConnell in the Senate, let alone as party leader. What has he done to earn the right to serve 36 years ? Have things gotten better on his watch ? No, they have gotten demonstrably worse. When he was first elected in 1984, this was a completely different country - alien to the one we’re in now. Has he valiantly fought to stop the decline ? No. He fights to keep his own power. That’s no demonstrable difference between him and his Democrat seatmates. How do we ever expect to turn this country and government around when we keep sending the same people back time and time again ? It’s like the definition of insanity.
One thing is crystal clear. The entire “Republican” leadership needs to go, in both houses. Things will never change until we get elected officials and leaders truly committed to reform and shrinking the gargantuan and oppressive size of government.
You make some good points, but I’m always astonished about the “record to run on” thing. Most, and I mean most, of the people in Congress are morons, save a few.
Carolyn McCarthy of NY is just one of hundreds that had/have absolutely no record of anything. I’m sorry for the loss of her husband and son at the hands of Colin Ferguson. But just because of that incident she is somehow qualified to write and vote on laws that affect all of us. In an interview with Tucker Carlson she couldn’t answer any questions on the bill that she was introducing:
And then we can just stroll thru the roster of pretty much everyone else in Congress and it isn’t much different. I for one am tired of seeing everyone elected that is either a lawyer or some type of community activist, who have no idea on how the world works. Unfortunately, if I were to start naming the names that immediately come to mind, they are all female and all democrats.
Hell, look at Clinton. What has she done. She should have been disbarred. She could have broken the law during her time working on the Watergate stuff. She rode her husbands coattails while he banged anything that breathed. As a Senator she did absolutely nothing. As SecState she did even less. So, where are her bonafides, as compared to anyone else.
What I’d like to see is getting rid of the 17th Amendment and then the states putting into law, some type of mechanism to toss/recall these fools if they aren’t towing the line the way they campaigned. If the country leans right and the there are more and more state houses that lean right, then the Senate leans right.
Her son was not killed.
I thought both of them were. My bad.
I think that letting state legislators, instead of voters, elect U.S. Senators would result in far fewer conservatives being elected. Look at the 2012 Senate election in TX: do you honestly think that Ted Cruz would have had a chance running against Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst if the election was held in the state legislature? And we wouldn’t have been able to elect almost any Republicans in 2010 when the Democrats still controlled almost all of the state legislatures—Obama would have had 60* Democrats in the Senate until at least 2013.
We need voters to take their vetting of candidates more seriously, not having them abrogating their responsibility and having politicians decide for them.
There is a very large state-wide poll being released tonight at 6:00 tonight.
We’re going to get a very good measure of whether or not Bevin is getting any traction. In the last poll, he’d cut McConnell’s lead to about 20 points. IMO, he need to get that down to 10-12 points tonight.
McConnell has really ramped up the advertising in the past two weeks. I wasn’t sure why. This might be the reason.
The American people and Loveable Lindsey and John McPain disagree with this statement.
I was reading an article on National Review about how MS Senator Thad Cochran is one of the biggest porkers in the Senate and is likely to be given the heave-ho by Chris McDaniel in the primary (which I think will be the only great “Tea Party victory” in Senate races this year, although many other fine conservatives will be elected as well), and ran across this interesting paragraph:
“When Republicans won the House in 2010, they helped bring about an end to the long-cherished practice of congressional earmarking. During the lame-duck session in December 2010, Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) rallied Republicans to kill a proposed omnibus spending bill that was loaded with earmarks, including more than $500 million that Cochran had requested.”
Yeah, no difference between Mitch McConnell and a Democrat.