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To: Rockingham

His point is that the U.S. claims to stand for democracy. Ukraine’s president was freely and fairly elected. Now a small minority mob is trying to overthrow the government. Now here we come to take the side of the mob against a democratically elected government.

The Ukrainian mob is not akin to 1776 American colonialists.


10 posted on 02/04/2014 2:05:13 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Yanukovich is a convicted criminal and a Russian toady. Ukrainians self identify as Ukrainians not Russo Ukrainians. They know that going back into Russia’s orbit means more repression corruption and exploitation
They want a trade agreement with the EU not to join it. They have made a lot of progress since partition and don’t want to go back


14 posted on 02/04/2014 3:49:34 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
The Ukraine is a deeply divided country, split between a pro-Western, pro-democracy majority and regions in the east and south that favor Russia and a strong hand from government. The toxic Soviet legacy of state control and endemic corruption also continue to impede economic reform and the full development of civil liberties and responsible government.

Worse, Putin and a large segment of opinion in Russia regard Ukrainian independence as a mistake to be rectified. Russian government officials have suggested annexing the pro-Russian portions of the Ukraine, and Russian policy is to force the Ukraine to subordinate itself to Russia and its economic and political interests.

The protests against Yanukovych began with his sudden refusal to sign a previously negotiated and settled association agreement with Europe in favor of alignment with Russia. This marked an acceptance of the designs on the Ukraine by Putin and the predatory and corrupt oligarchs allied with him.

The protests against Yanukovych and this menacing turn in policy were remarkably peaceful but, when they persisted and grew, Yanukovych turned to brutal police and paramilitary tactics, violence from thugs allied with the government, and the passage of laws that effectively criminalized the opposition.

Although those laws were recently repealed after the protests escalated, the initial passage of those laws and continued threats made clear that Yanukovych and his party regard the opposition as subject to suppression if they can get away with it. From that standpoint of many of the protesters, Yanukovych's continued tenure in office thus is a threat to Ukrainian national independence and democracy.

In this context, it is an error to regard Yanukovych as a democrat beleaguered by rabid, anti-government protesters. Facts matter, and it is the protesters who most genuinely represent Ukrainian democracy and the country's national interests.

19 posted on 02/04/2014 7:47:23 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I and others think our presidential elections are fixed....I suspect the people in Ukraine think they've been "had" as well.....

in the American revolution, roughly about a third of people wanted a revolution, a third didn't care either way and a third backed the British rule....

you don't need a majority to take over....

and besides, I no longer trust democracy...used to....want to....but I just don't trust it...not here in America anyway....our population has proven time and again (kardashians?..lady gaga...obama...moosechel....justin bieber..omphrah) that it has absolutely no common sense, or horse sense and not one bit of morality or ethics nor integrity...let alone patriotism....

24 posted on 02/04/2014 8:06:44 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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