Posted on 02/05/2014 7:16:11 AM PST by GilGil
He [Snowden] states that his “breaking point” was “seeing Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, directly lie under oath to Congress” denying the existence of a domestic spying programs while under questioning in March of last year. Mr. Snowden goes on to state that, “The public had a right to know about these programs. The public had a right to know that which the government is doing in its name, and that which the government is doing against the public.”
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Has Snowden said when the mass recording of US citizen phone calls started? Has he said anything about the British recording our citizens and the US recording British citizens, and then swapping the info?
Freegards
Possibly things going on behind closed doors even worse, such as subtle threats regarding his family.
“Did they have some blackmail materials on him...”
It is as if it is every man for himself in the US government.
No, not that I can see.
Has he said anything about the British recording our citizens and the US recording British citizens, and then swapping the info?
Yes. -- Take a listen to about 20:00-30:00 [IIRC] on the interview.
Sorry, 10min-20min.
Oh Man, Holder would be on that like shine on a bowling ball... NOT!
James Clapper should have been fired, tarred and feathered a long time ago.
Thanks, I guess he doesn’t really say what I was talking about, I heard that Brit-US data swap thing at least 25 years ago, I think. The way I heard it was to get around the law in both countries or something.
I’m not sure why he wants journalists to make the decisions as to revealing when all this started, I mean what if he disagrees with their decisions? Seems like it’s a pretty obvious question to wonder about.
Freegards
It might be the extent is so overwhelming that he's concerned that a everything-on-the-table approach could cause a panic; I mean look at the progression we've seen on the official side of things:
I will always believe they spied on Roberts, or else, he was a pretender from the start. However, I have not forgotten that there was an incident where Roberts had a seizure not long after he became Chief Justice. I will always wonder now if that was brought on by his being blackmailed by democrats.
They are pure evil and would do anything to compromise a person.
Just think, there is no longer any distinction between Democrat and Republican.
Our main global competitors are aware of the NSA spying techniques.
If Russia and China know the information, why can't I, as an American who paid for the data through taxes, have access to the information also?
The Commies have the information, why can't the American public, as the horse is already out of the barn.
When it comes to blatantly unConstitutional and illegal actions by our various levels of government, I hope EVERY hidden “Snowden”-type whistleblower comes forward.
I don’t know, seems like a good starting point. It’s strange that we apparently don’t know when it started yet. Seems like the only folks panicking are the people that use the snoopage system.
I mean if it has been going on for 50 years as opposed to 10 years I can’t see more or less impactful outrage like riots or whatever I guess. A simple statement like: For the last _____ years the US government has recorded every telephone conversation made in the US. Why wouldn’t journalists want to cover the ‘when’ of this story? Or am I missing something?
Freegards
If it's a big number, like 50 years, then it illustrates how much contempt is "baked into" our system, not only parties but whole agencies.
If it's something like 20 years, then it illustrates how the law has drastically failed to keep up with technology... and illustrates that both parties are "in on it".
If it's something more recent, like 10 years, then it casts a lot of doubt on recent elections.
If it's something very recent, like 5 years, then things fall squarely on Obama's shoulders — and lends a lot of fuel to things like ineffectual investigations (Fast and Furious) and bizarre behavior from officials (Roberts's ACA ruling).
So, no matter when it happened to start it damages the statist position.
Our government has been running wiretaps since the days of the telegraph. Digital switching has just made it a LOT easier for them to do.
When the PATRIOT Act gave expanded powers to the NSA and Homeland Security... The abuses went into over-drive.
So yeah... Bush’s fault.
(Thread-wide ping.)
Well, the impression I have had with various stories is that it supposedly started on a huge scale after 9/11. That’s just an impression, though.
But I don’t think that is very reasonable. If all phone calls can be recorded I think it probably started long before that. The state certainly had demonstrated it will gladly abuse its powers if it has a security excuse long before that. Or at least that is the way I would bet.
Freegards
I don't doubt.
When the PATRIOT Act gave expanded powers to the NSA and Homeland Security... The abuses went into over-drive.
So yeah... Bush’s fault
That, and the bailouts (remember the airlines), really tarnished his presidency IMO.
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