Good. We should get rid of the Electoral College anyway. An utter and complete anachronism. And getting rid of it is about the ONLY chance we will have of ever winning the WH again.
The presidential election should not be a popularity contest.
I disagree. Doing away with the Electoral College would be a mistake and would help further the tearing down of the system designed by our Founding Fathers.
I disagree.
Yes, I agree. I trust my future and the future of my country to the denizens of New York, Chicago, Philly, Boston, Lost Angeles, San Francisco, ad nauseum. I am sure that they will make the right decicions for the republic..
You could not be more wrong.
Huh?
The Electoral College MUST STAND and only a crazy Liberal would disagree.
Getting rid of the Electoral College is a very bad move. The only reason national candidates pay ANY attention to the smaller states is because of the EC.
Once removed - the most populous states will determine every election from then on. And, generally, the most populated states are blue.
Plus, the smaller states will have NO voice whatsoever on the national stage.
In fact, I think there should be within the states, a similar system with each county having only a certain number of votes. In Nevada, two cities determine every election outcome - Las Vegas and Reno, And often, Las Vegas alone determines how the state goes in elections (Las Vegas is a solid democrat city).
Removing the EC will put the major cities completely in control of national elections.
The end of the Electoral College means that the Dems will be the permanent majority party. The Electoral College is the result of Federalism and states' rights. The Dems will pile up huge majorities in the urban areas and in big states. The GOP will never win the WH again.
So you would like the US President to be elected solely on the whims of the densely populated cities? By the same populations that have the highest percentage of government dependency, the lowest percentages of workers, the least effective education, the lowest levels of civilized behavior, the highest crime rates, and obscene levels of vote fraud?
You must really like this current administration, because that's what would result, with little chance of changing the outcome.
“Good. We should get rid of the Electoral College anyway. An utter and complete anachronism. And getting rid of it is about the ONLY chance we will have of ever winning the WH again.”
It’s great to see here on FR when a liberal raises it head from under a rock, people who want to do away with the Electoral College are either leftists, of do not understand how and why it was set up in the first place.
Without the Electoral College, the Presidency would be determined by our large urban areas- which are only fit for nuclear weapons testing sites. No thanks.
Oklahoma and you made a huge mistake.
Getting rid of the Electoral College would turn the United States into a larger version of New Jersey.
NJ has several urban areas (Jersey City, Newark, Paterson, Trenton, Atlantic City & Camden) and they effectively control the way the state swings in statewide and national elections. With rare exceptions, their combined population is just too much for the many rural and suburban Republican areas in NJ to overcome.
I could not possibly disagree more. Instead, I propose abolishing the 17th Amendment.
You say that, even though the Electoral College is what produced a victory for GWB over the popular vote in 2000.
There are three good reasons for keeping the Electoral College:
1. That's the system our Founding Fathers designed and embedded in the Constitution.
2. It isolates the impact of vote fraud in one city to just one state. Given a popular vote, the final decision could hang on a single precinct in a single city (e.g., Philadelphia).
3. It is more reflective of the wishes of the various stakeholders -- which includes the states themselves and, most especially, the inhabitants of the smaller states -- than a popular vote would be.
Finally, the Electoral College is every bit as rational as the popular vote -- the winner being selected on the same basis as, e.g., the World Series -- a winner of competitive units rather than total score.
You wouldn't think this way if you studied the implications of these maps.
Look at the spikes in the Democrat cities. Now ask yourself, how much of those votes were fraudulent (illegal voters)? Now ask yourself what would happen of the fraudulent votes from Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, and New York City were allowed to spill over their borders and count in all the other states?
You begin to see that the Electoral College is a firewall against illegal voting. The Democrat could win by 1 vote or 1 million votes in California, but the candidate will still only get 55 electoral votes. Do away with the Electoral College, and all of those illegal votes will count everywhere.
-PJ
Have your brain re-attached soon.
What kind of a crap school did you go to?
I was taught in grammer school that democracy was the worst form of government ever devised!
this is a Constitutional Republic and not a democracy!!!