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TOUGH TIMES AHEAD FOR U.S. CHRISTIANS
boblonsberry.com ^ | 02/17/14 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 02/17/2014 6:08:24 AM PST by shortstop

Being Christian in America increasingly means something very different from what it has meant previously in our nation’s history.

As the culture and its values change, so too does the position once held by the teachings of traditional, Bible-based Christianity.

Simply put, the Christian values once applauded by this society are increasingly being attacked by this society, and that growing antagonism extends not just to the values, but to the people who ascribe to them.

Bible-based Christians should be aware of that attitudinal shift, and of the adversity and persecution which will accompany it.

American society and traditional Christianity have a long and partnered history. The nation was initially settled by people whose Christian faith defined their lives and, indeed, brought them to these shores. And though their denominations varied, the core of their beliefs – and their respect for adherents to those beliefs – did not.

Christian virtues were admired even by those who didn’t practice them. Piety and faithfulness were seen as good traits across the society. That general respect was endorsing of and supporting of those beliefs and the people who practiced them.

It was good to be a practicing Christian, and Christian virtues were seen as a respected standard for all.

But the society has changed.

A rising amorality has defined those who preach morality as intolerant bigots. As the unchanging light of true Christianity has cast unflattering shadows on a darkening American heart, that heart has turned against that light. As the American popular culture has veered ever further from the strait and narrow path of Biblical Christianity, the culture has not been shamed, it has been angered.

And Christians are increasingly the target of that anger.

For centuries, Christianity has been a respected faith in America. In this day, however, it is becoming a reviled faith in America.

The haven this society has provided Christianity is potentially no more. And Christians will have to adapt to that, and perhaps recognize that this respite from persecution has been an exception to the historical rule.

Part of the antagonism will be a fight over who gets to define what “Christian” means. People with pretty vestments and fancy titles and contemporary views will continue to pollute the pulpit and cloud the issue. They will preach strange doctrines and consecrate ancient blasphemies, but their authority will come from man, not from the Bible or its Author.

Their partners in the attack on traditional Christianity will come from the newly self-appointed arbiters of right and wrong – the pronouncers of political correctness. Activists and politicians and celebrities, ordained by web hits and reality television, will conduct a modern Inquisition, chasing down any deviation from their godless views.

And that puts Christians in the crosshairs.

Real Christians.

The ones who believe what their great-grandparents believed 100 years ago, and what their Savior taught 2,000 years ago.


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It was good to be a practicing Christian, and Christian virtues were seen as a respected standard for all.

But the society has changed.

1 posted on 02/17/2014 6:08:24 AM PST by shortstop
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To: shortstop

Being a persecuted one will bring its own rewards.


2 posted on 02/17/2014 6:10:05 AM PST by skeeter
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To: shortstop

Bump


3 posted on 02/17/2014 6:10:38 AM PST by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: shortstop

Prophesy said this would come. It should come as no surprise.


4 posted on 02/17/2014 6:18:22 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: skeeter

I never thought I’d live to see this day. I pray God gives me, my children & my grandkids the courage to stand & not deny Him.


5 posted on 02/17/2014 6:18:46 AM PST by FES0844
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To: All

Christians had a chance to stop this decline when we were still the majority in this country. I don’t see it getting better for the culture at this point.


6 posted on 02/17/2014 6:20:38 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: shortstop

Being a Christian in America, it pains me to say this, but as one looks at the History of the Church, it would seem that the more Christians are persecuted by the prevailing government, the more devoted and and courageous they become. It seems to be a “purification” process, like precious metal refined in the fire.

Christianity is on the increase in China, despite nearly two generations of repression.

Eastern Europe is another example.

But “refining and purification” HURTS, so, to be honest, I am not looking forward to it.

The biggest enemy of the church is complacency and comfort.


7 posted on 02/17/2014 6:20:46 AM PST by left that other site
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To: shortstop
But the society has changed

Free Republic has changed. There is a small handful of Freepers that expend nearly all of their efforts attacking other Christians.

8 posted on 02/17/2014 6:21:18 AM PST by kidd
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To: shortstop

They can do whatever they want to try to do but as long as I belong to Jesus... my reward is assured.


9 posted on 02/17/2014 6:22:19 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: shortstop
When was this written? 20 years ago?

That's at least how long this has been going on.

Just remember, it's not you they hate, it's Jesus Himself.

10 posted on 02/17/2014 6:25:07 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: shortstop

The Judeo-Christian ethic is increasingly HATED by the culture at large, at least here in the United States.

Stand strong, Christians. You are being assaulted with small arms fire now... The big guns are coming.


11 posted on 02/17/2014 6:25:09 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: shortstop

Our society started changing when the muslim moved into the White House.


12 posted on 02/17/2014 6:25:32 AM PST by abclily
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To: shortstop
Part of the antagonism will be a fight over who gets to define what “Christian” means.

From my observation, those in the media who are allowed to publicly define Christianity for those who do not know are those who routinely slander Christianity and its adherents.

13 posted on 02/17/2014 6:26:03 AM PST by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: shortstop
I continue to pray that the true church awakes from its slumber.

Its right to do good works, but at some point the church is going to have to stand firm and offer a clear vision that sin exists and that certain acts and actions constitutes sin. With that, the church needs to continue to offer true compassion and a hand to those seeking a lift out of the cultural quagmire.

I think the church today is very caught up in the idea of being seeker friendly and really what this means is blending in to the culture so as not to offend. Too, many of us as Christians are not trusting and putting faith in our Savior. Hence, we are sure to avoid rocking the cultural boat so as not to offend anyone with our stance. Therefore, we too are easily and willingly camouflaged by the culture around us.

I think the author is correct. And I pray that as the church comes alive and we as individual Christians (the church) wholly trust in our Savior that this will surely raise the ire of our nemesis, Satan and that's when things will get interesting.

For we our battle is not against flesh and blood...

14 posted on 02/17/2014 6:26:26 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: shortstop

“It was good to be a practicing Christian, and Christian virtues were seen as a respected standard for all.
But the society has changed.”

On the other hand, my child recently went on a weekend retreat, and the kids were very happy and seem very committed to the spiritual aspect of their young lives.

My personal feeling is that the deepest messages of Christianity - love, forgiveness, salvation - are so profoundly correct and compelling, that whatever cycles we go through in the world, the secular critics and enemies of Christianity will always and inevitably lose to the truth.


15 posted on 02/17/2014 6:27:55 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: left that other site

That is a really interesting point. I think its that people get complacent and take the Christian Virtues for granted. When they are actively suppressed people realize how important they are.


16 posted on 02/17/2014 6:29:26 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: abclily

Sad to say, it was long before that. How in the world Bill Clinton was allowed to stay in office given the nature of his abhorrent behavior, is still a mystery to me. It was so in-your-face (with finger pointing: “now you listen to me...”), and his Democrat machine supporters were so “we’ll be damned if we’re going to let you remove ‘our’ guy.” It’s been downhill fast ever since. And now we have the prospect of HC becoming the next POTUS! Just YUCK! I shake my head in disbelief with how fast we’ve sunk in this country...at lightening speed, if you ask me.


17 posted on 02/17/2014 6:33:03 AM PST by nfldgirl
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To: kidd

Yes. You are correct. The sad part is that they often do so from WITHIN the church.....wolves in sheep clothing. Used to be that men like Spong were relegated to “high church” groups and positions.....but now, the perversion of Christianity has crept into many evangelical and so-called fundamental groups.


18 posted on 02/17/2014 6:37:47 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: shortstop

Being a respectful Christian and believing in Christ and accepting him as your savior is rebellious.
Sounds like things have come full circle from when Jesus died for us. Back then we were treated as rebels and were hunted down, made fun of and oppressed and Killed for our beliefs.
The romans couldn’t stop us then, I doubt these creatures today will have any luck.


19 posted on 02/17/2014 6:38:33 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: shortstop

The comments at that website make the case for him.


20 posted on 02/17/2014 6:38:35 AM PST by Kent1957
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To: shortstop

I went to the Latin Mass again yesterday.

People there are dead serious

there is no lightheartedness

we know what the truth is, the evil in the country, the stakes


21 posted on 02/17/2014 6:48:11 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Mean Maryjean
...and his Democrat machine supporters...

That would be the corrupt MSM. Clinton survived, and Obama/Holder continues their lawlessness simply because the corrupt MSM allow them to. It isn't some political machine that allows this, it is the MSM, who brought down Nixon for far less, who frames the issues and chooses not to report on critical issues. Simply, the corrupt MSM is the veil being used to blind most Americans from truth.

22 posted on 02/17/2014 6:48:50 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: abclily

Our society started changing when the muslim moved into the White House.

...come now...don’t you think the ease with which America accepted the decadence ushered in by the 1960’s had something to do with it...?


23 posted on 02/17/2014 6:49:10 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: abclily

Our society started changing in the 60s

California bears special responsibility for introduction of no fault divorce

Griswold and Roe v. Wade attacked our very foundation by authorizing the killing of children and the interfering with God’s plan by blocking births


24 posted on 02/17/2014 6:50:53 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: skeeter

Amen Skeeter!


25 posted on 02/17/2014 6:51:42 AM PST by Lake Living
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To: abclily
Our society started changing when the muslim moved into the White House.

Don't forget the Lewinski with the big Easter bible.

26 posted on 02/17/2014 6:52:49 AM PST by alrea ( By progressive they mean costs.)
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To: shortstop

I’ve always been a bit of a shutterbug, shooting photos of old buildings as I’ve traveled the towns and cities. In the last few years, I’ve thought it would probably be a good idea to make an extra effort to shoot old historic churches as well. Mainly, because the way the culture is going, with the intensification of hatred directed towards the religious, I expect many might be torched to the ground in coming years.


27 posted on 02/17/2014 6:53:59 AM PST by greene66
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To: yldstrk

I went to the Latin Mass again yesterday.

...pax sit semper tecum...et Dominus tecum...


28 posted on 02/17/2014 6:54:31 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade

well that is the sad part, I used to go to Latin Mass as a kid

then the evil of Vatican II came along and they pulled a fast one

instead of continuing Mass in a language that is not “evolving”, ie Latin, Mass was to be in any language, and then the words started changing, the disrespect crept in and the meaning chnaged.

So I don’t understand the Latin Mass, but will have to learn it


29 posted on 02/17/2014 6:57:24 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: IrishBrigade

Does it mean Peace be with you and God be with you?

Thank you. I wish you the same


30 posted on 02/17/2014 7:02:02 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Texas Eagle

But Christ lives in me. It would be sad indeed if the world could not see enough of Christ in me to hate me as it hates Him... If u were accused of being a Christian today would there be enough evidence to convict you? A sobering and challenging thought


31 posted on 02/17/2014 7:04:04 AM PST by Mom MD
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To: yldstrk

Two big things that hurt Christianity in the 20th Century: the arguments of the higher critical movement from Europe and the challenges of evolution. Both ideas were never really answered in any meaningful or scholarly way and as a result they “festered” and tended to undermine the credibility of Biblical authority. They were a direct blow to the foundational ideas of the Scriptures. Both of have science been addressed but when the answers were needed they went missing in action.


32 posted on 02/17/2014 7:05:55 AM PST by Lake Living
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To: yldstrk

Society started changing with the nihilism of Europe after WWII and the “modernization” of the Roman Church culminating in the disgusting Vatican II.
The Church had always stuck to their guns when it came to traditional morality because priests were men with strong visions of right and wrong, and the will to shame those living immorally. Not now. We’re all psychological now. I sin, and I know damn well what my sins are, but it’s tough to find a confessor who will do his job.
Where are the prophets like days of old, sent to change the hearts of the Jewish people?


33 posted on 02/17/2014 7:07:54 AM PST by steve8714 (I love the early House Party movies. I'm whitey McWhite. So sue me.)
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To: Obadiah

The Prosperity movement has also contributed to the attack on the Church. These charlatans do their best to undermine the real reason to worship God.


34 posted on 02/17/2014 7:11:00 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: yldstrk

So I don’t understand the Latin Mass, but will have to learn it

...intellegere Missa Latina ardua non est...sed perseveratus sis...

...since I don’t know how to do internet links, I direct your attention to a website called ‘Grammar of Missale Romanum 1962’, which should open into a complete parsing of each phrase of the 1962 Missal, which would give you everything, and more, that you will need to know...


35 posted on 02/17/2014 7:18:04 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: shortstop

I’m going to kick a hornet’s nest here with this I’m sure, but this is my POV on the subject...

The Moral Majority inspired caricatures of the 1980’s bear some responsibility in this as well. The Tammy Baker’s, Swaggart’s, Tipper Gore and her attacks on rock music but not so much on “sexual healing” by Marvin Gaye, etc,. The inconsistency applied and the lampoonish behavior of the Jerry Falwell types gave rise to a generation of folks who viewed Christians as “insane”.

I wasn’t an active or practicing Christian at that time, but what I saw on the news and television coming from the Christian right and how they were presented by the media has done a lot to create this situation and the typical stereotype of a “Christian”.

It is easy to be mocked, demeaned and maligned when your own house isn’t in order...look at the charlatans and frauds that end up smearing Christianity because of their behavior and teachings...they do a darned good job of giving the secularists plenty of ammunition in their fight against God.

And those with a more refined approach to spreading the Word of God? Well, we’re just pigeon holed right alongside the kooks, frauds, charlatans and all that the secularists revile because they fear the power of a righteous society and the effects it would have on their lifestyles.

And 30+ years of lampooning Christianity has made it socially acceptable to do so...


36 posted on 02/17/2014 7:23:24 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: IrishBrigade

http://gmr.sourceforge.net/grammar/gmr.html

Thank you!

My kid knows Latin, but I don’t

The really destructive thing that happened to me with Catholicism is that my parents, who went to J school at Marquette became hippies and fought the Church and I thought they were right until at some point I realized they were wacko...............


37 posted on 02/17/2014 7:27:55 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: shortstop

Colleges, the left, the irs, and this administration all hate Christians and are doing all they can to eliminate them (after taking all their money and giving it to screaming savages.)


38 posted on 02/17/2014 7:28:56 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Very good point.


39 posted on 02/17/2014 7:37:05 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: escapefromboston

Indeed.

BTW, I escaped from Boston 15 years ago! LOL!


40 posted on 02/17/2014 7:40:16 AM PST by left that other site
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To: steve8714

“Where are the prophets like days of old”

“Father, the Most Holy Virgin is very sad because no one has paid any attention to Her message, neither the good nor the bad. The good continue on their way but without giving any importance to Her message. The bad, not seeing the punishment of God actually falling upon them, continue their life of sin without even caring about the message. But believe me, Father, God will chastise the world and this will be in a terrible manner. The punishment from Heaven is imminent....”

“...Father, the devil is in the mood for engaging in a decisive battle against the Blessed Virgin. And the devil knows what it is that most offends God and which in a short space of time will gain for him the greatest number of souls. Thus, the devil does everything to overcome souls consecrated to God, because in this way, the devil will succeed in leaving the souls of the faithful abandoned by their leaders, thereby the more easily will he seize them.”

December 26, 1957 interview with Lucy by Father Fuentes. The Fatima prophecy is not a singular event, and one need not be Catholic to recognize the importance of the same prophecy occurring in different places on the earth.


41 posted on 02/17/2014 7:49:11 AM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: CynicalBear
Prophesy said this would come. It should come as no surprise.

Yep.

5.56mm

42 posted on 02/17/2014 7:51:02 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: shortstop

The drums of civil disobedience get louder.


43 posted on 02/17/2014 7:53:13 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: shortstop

Country was founded on republicanism( govt without a king) and protestantism (church without a pope)

And the kings and popes of the religion in this country today run all gamuts of life in the reIigion of the state, secular humanism...

And the fall is quick and will continue.. you can’t be Egypt, Babylon, Sodom and Gomorrah all rolled up into one (which this nation represents better than any other on the planet) and still think you live in a good country...

It starts right there.. calling this nation evil would not be a bad thing for a believer to say...there, I said it... it would a terrible thing for a politician or celebrity to say or anyone who wanted to get ahead in this nation..

Shouldn’t be that drastic for a believer to call evil, evil.. for we certainly are not a good, messiah led nation...I would be bold and say the ‘god’ of this nation does not resemble the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob in any way..

Believers are called to come out of her..maybe that’s why lukewarm describes the last church age in revelation...

Bjt it is actually becoming easier to differentiate and lines are being drawn. That is blessing from our Heaveny Father.

Maybe because of our heritage, God is allowing lukewarm a last chance to get cold or hot...


44 posted on 02/17/2014 8:09:33 AM PST by delchiante
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To: Mom MD

I love that question, it really makes us take stock of our lives as Christians.


45 posted on 02/17/2014 8:54:10 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: escapefromboston
Christians had a chance to stop this decline when we were still the majority in this country.

God gave Christians a peaceful country, but real Christians were never the majority in this country.

In Russia, when the Communist persecution began, the average church went from 300 people to 15. That will occur here also.

46 posted on 02/17/2014 9:39:10 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: M Kehoe

A useful choice but I tend to be a cal .30 Christian.


47 posted on 02/17/2014 10:07:42 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: FES0844

He will, at the moment you need it.


48 posted on 02/17/2014 10:18:05 AM PST by ShasheMac (Be still and know that I am God. Psa;m 46:10)
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To: Mean Maryjean

[Jesus said,] “When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
Luke 21:28


49 posted on 02/17/2014 10:26:05 AM PST by ShasheMac (Be still and know that I am God. Psa;m 46:10)
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To: Mom MD
If u were accused of being a Christian today would there be enough evidence to convict you?

There would be a confession, deeds can be good without faith, but they mean nothing.

50 posted on 02/17/2014 12:36:23 PM PST by xone
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