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To: captmar-vell

“For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; “ 2 Peter 2:4


And as you pointed out earlier in your post, even that scripture speaks of their condition *before* the judgement. It is like they are a murderer in Jail, waiting for their court date or sentencing date. And what will their sentence be?

In our world, which is where God meets us, we have two forms of punishment: First is rehabilitation. It’s effectiveness is questionable, but it’s goal is not. The second is removal from “the rest of us”. The goal is not to make it hard for the perp. It is to separate him from the rest of us. In some cultures this means life in prison. In others, its execution. But its function is to “cast them out” of our world.

It’s how I see the fate of those that don’t accept Christ. Except I don’t see God having any reason to keep them alive. He certianly would not do it for them. It’s not like he is trying to teach them a lesson. He would not do it for us. We’ll never come into contact with them in any way, shape or form ever again, nor would we want to. Would He get some morbid pleasure out of it?

So whom would it benefit?


17 posted on 02/20/2014 6:47:46 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

The spirit is an eternal thing, not subject to the limits time imposes upon physical matter. The spirit will continue to exist even after the new phase is arrived. The new phase is characterized by The Love of God penetrating every nook and cranny of the new Universe. A black hole is a fair analogy for the state of the new Universe, because those glorying in the Light of God will not be subjected to the torment of those in ‘outer darkness’ ...


23 posted on 02/20/2014 7:07:53 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: cuban leaf

The immortal spirit of Apollyon is not in a place of darkness and chains only to be released at some future date because he’s now served his time, so why is he separated from us today? Why is he released in Revelation Chapter 9? Why is Satan not cast into the lake of fire at the same time as the beast and false prophet, not until 1000 years later?

There are principalities and powers held until the final disposition of the legal ownership of the Earth is worked through under the Laws and Ordinances, that is, of complete Holiness provided in the Earth as a mechanism that once established though Israel in the fallen Earth allowed for God to then insert himself into the flesh, to become a kinsman of Adam, to become a man, to make a way where there was no way, to redeem us under those same Holy laws that brought him to us, and yet those laws in the flesh required the shedding of innocent blood,

I understand we have many spirit-filled believers here with strong convictions, set in their opinions,

But to those still wondering, eternal torment (to believers) is a topic that seems to me to be of less importance to achieve a sound knowledge of than the fact of what is about to transpire here shortly in the flesh, but also because of that, perhaps it is a good time to consider,

That is knowing the lateness of the hour we’re in with the wrath of God about to be poured out on this physical Earth - for breaking the everlasting covenant (when this world divides Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria) bringing with it the return of Jesus to claim his inheritance (with the day of vengeance) coming as our Kinsman Redeemer with the Jubilee per Isaiah 63.

With that knowledge, then how much more or less are the workings toward immortal spirits with complete knowledge of the truth, rejecting it with regard to the vengeance and rightful judgement and retribution of a Holy God whose ways are not our ways, and whose thoughts are not our thoughts,

“Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; “ 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9

In Revelation Chapter 9, we’re told there would be those that would ‘seek death and not be able to find it, that would desire to die and death would flee from them.’ I believe its referring to those that expect death to be all they have to answer for in their unaccountable life of unbelief. They live in a world where they have everything they could ever want, and when it finally does end, are expecting nothing, this is all there is then blissful nothingness. But as the end of the age unfolds in front of them, they will know enough, or have heard enough, that when those days of vengeance do arrive, they will see death flee from them and their hoped for annihilation no longer to be found,

Jesus became flesh and dwelt among us, to save us from this fate,

When Jesus was looking over Jerusalem and was overcome with sorrow, and said ‘how often I would have gathered you together but you would not’ he was overcome with emotion, knowing the wrath that would be poured out upon this same generation, because the people of that very day did not know the time of their visitation. Their house (Israel, Judea, Samaria, Jerusalem and the Temple) was left (to them) desolate, and then the diaspora until the regathering at the time of the end, until today, until our day,

The communication Jesus recounted between Lazarus and the rich man was not a parable,

Parables were used so that ‘hearing’ they (unbelieving Israel) ‘would hear not, neither would they understand’

Because if Israel had understood in their unbelief, they would’ve been judged even more harshly for not knowing the time of their visitation,

Parables were used so only those of the Kingdom, born of his spirit with the comforter providing illumination could understand, some are difficult to understand even then, but it was not given to them to know,

There is nothing at all mystifying or to be misunderstood (in any age, or flesh or spirit) to Jew or gentile about the rich man asking Abraham and Lazarus to warn his relatives not to come to this place where he is in torment. With the response being, they have the Law of Moses and the prophets. And yet today we have an even more sure witness of the Jubilee of the Gospel, how much more then are we to be convicted in our unbelief to not go to judgement uncovered, without the pardon he freely provided to as many as would receive it,

Wrath and judgement are coming to this world first and then God will resolve all things in Heaven and to each of us will be given our accounting,


64 posted on 02/20/2014 9:12:37 PM PST by captmar-vell
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