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First ‘smart’ pistol hits shelves in California.
Fox News ^ | 2/20/2014 | Brendan McGarry, Military.com

Posted on 02/22/2014 4:53:44 AM PST by carriage_hill

The first so-called “smart gun” has hit the shelves at U.S. retail outlets, including one of the biggest firearms stores in California, according to the Washington Post.

The Smart System iP1, a .22-caliber pistol made by the German gun-maker Armatix GmbH, can only function with an accompanying wristwatch, which is sold separately.

When the RFID-equipped watch is activated by a PIN number and placed near the gun — like when a shooter grips the handle — it sends a signal to unlock the gun and a light on the back of the weapon turns green, according to the report. Otherwise, the firearm stays locked and the light on the back remains red, it stated.

The pistol sells for $1,399 and the watch retails for another $399 — more than double the cost of .40-caliber Glock handgun, according to the article.

The company is betting that demand for the technology will increase as consumers seek guns modified for safety.

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1 posted on 02/22/2014 4:53:44 AM PST by carriage_hill
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2 posted on 02/22/2014 4:54:51 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

My “dumb” pistol (it only does what I tell it to) has never caused any problems, so I guess I’ll stay with it. ;)


3 posted on 02/22/2014 4:56:15 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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4 posted on 02/22/2014 4:59:00 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: carriage_hill

No thanks. Too many points of failure. When you need your weapon to function, failure is not an option.


5 posted on 02/22/2014 4:59:51 AM PST by soycd
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To: carriage_hill
First ‘smart’ pistol hits shelves in California.

And for the most part I imagine it will stay on the shelves, other than having a couple of liberals buy them to try and make a pointless point.

6 posted on 02/22/2014 5:01:33 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: carriage_hill
They'll get the owner killed. when they fail to work.
Leave them on the shelf at the store.
7 posted on 02/22/2014 5:01:55 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: carriage_hill

HOGWASH!!


8 posted on 02/22/2014 5:02:30 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: carriage_hill
"Smart" gun for stupid people.

No thanks.

9 posted on 02/22/2014 5:03:27 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: carriage_hill

The only way someone would be dumb enough to buy one of these is if they were mandated by law......and therefore the only choice for a new gun purchase.

How is government gonna get the millions of hand guns already out there? If they are grandfathered in, then my gun collection is gonna quintuple in value.......at the very least.

If they are required to be turned in.....well.....good luck with that! Lol.


10 posted on 02/22/2014 5:04:45 AM PST by RepRivFarm ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell)
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To: carriage_hill
The pistol sells for $1,399 and the watch retails for another $399 — more than double the cost of .40-caliber Glock handgun, according to the article. The company is betting that demand for the technology will increase as consumers seek guns modified for safety.

At $1,800 for a pistol, I'd say that is a very poor bet.

11 posted on 02/22/2014 5:06:04 AM PST by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: soycd

When seconds count. linking up you gun and watch are just minutes away. And don’t even get me started about dead batteries.


12 posted on 02/22/2014 5:07:05 AM PST by DAC21
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To: carriage_hill
As many believe they are the only ones that should have access to lethal force Law Enforcement should be the first to carry this new technology.

We do want those who protect us to have safe pistols right?

Which department/agency will be the first to step up?


13 posted on 02/22/2014 5:07:24 AM PST by BattleFlag (The right to self defense, one without which none others matter)
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To: carriage_hill
I have absolutely no problem offering this technology to those who want it and are willing to pay for it.

What I absolutely and fervently object to is mandating this technolgy on new guns, which is the direction Kalifornia is going.

Speaking of Kalifornia, all newly introduced handguns in that state must comply with the new Microstamping law. Does this firearm have Microstamping integrated into its firing pin and chamber?

14 posted on 02/22/2014 5:07:28 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Ditto.


15 posted on 02/22/2014 5:08:11 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

Hope it does not rely on Microsoft Technology or the phase “blue screen of death” will take on a whole new meaning


16 posted on 02/22/2014 5:08:54 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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To: carriage_hill

James Bond had a watch that shot a bullet. I want one of them. Who needs a gun that tells time?


17 posted on 02/22/2014 5:09:08 AM PST by mindburglar (Karl Rove will call Ted Cruz a "white hispanic".)
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To: BattleFlag

Never is there any mention of the government adopting these devices.

Anything running on a battery is a stupid idea, but something has to power the gps signal.


18 posted on 02/22/2014 5:12:56 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: carriage_hill

I hope it stays as lonely as Yoko Ono at a swingers’ convention.


19 posted on 02/22/2014 5:13:01 AM PST by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The End)
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To: carriage_hill

This should be an easy one for hackers.

The gun might be smart but anyone that has one for more than plinking is stupid.


20 posted on 02/22/2014 5:15:29 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: DAC21

Watch dead/disabled = firearm dead/disabled. How convenient. What do you want to bet the mfgr has a device for gov’t to use to point at gun owners, and instantly disable the weapons thru the watch. Mini-EMP blast.


21 posted on 02/22/2014 5:16:37 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Since that technology doesn’t even exist yet, Kali is mandating it. A court challenge is ahead, if not already in the works.


22 posted on 02/22/2014 5:25:41 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

LOLMAO! (Just cleared the coffee before reading that one, or it would have been a spew event...)


23 posted on 02/22/2014 5:27:07 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: DAC21

Yeah, don’t forget to put on your watch at 2am when someone breaks into your house; otherwise your gun’s a brick.


24 posted on 02/22/2014 5:28:26 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill
What do you want to bet the mfgr has a device for gov’t to use to point at gun owners, and instantly disable the weapons thru the watch.

No bet. Drill down to the original WaPo article, and you will find this gem:

A variety of approaches are in development. Armatix, the German company behind the iP1, uses RFID chips, which can be found on anti-theft tags attached to expensive clothing. Trigger­Smart, an Irish company, also uses RFID chips, though with a ring instead of a watch. The company also has technology that would render guns inoperable if they approached electronic markers — for instance, near a school.

How's that for convenient? Police knock down your door and carry an RFID "jammer" that makes all non-police smart guns inoperative.

25 posted on 02/22/2014 5:29:54 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: carriage_hill

There is a market for this that actually does make sense... For instance; for years, I have been forced to lock my loaded home defense handguns in a damned mini-safe on the nightstand. Why? Kids. Sure, I’ve exposed them, tried to teach them, they even shoot them... but, in the end they are 10 year old boys. It would be nice to put an RFID chip on my wrist when I climb into bed and not have to worry about it, I could leave my handgun where it nees to be; laying out in the open on my nightstand. But this raises several trade-off arguments. Reliability? Breaking the most basic gun safety rules to rely on a tech safety? And of course what you mentioned... if an RFID chip can enable it, so can one disable it.


26 posted on 02/22/2014 5:32:13 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: carriage_hill

Call me when ALL the police have them—and they have proven to work PERFECTLY for-—say-—five years or so.


27 posted on 02/22/2014 5:32:42 AM PST by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, shira is POISON.)
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To: carriage_hill

Wii tawded...


28 posted on 02/22/2014 5:36:57 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: carriage_hill
Since that technology doesn’t even exist yet, Kali is mandating it.

Ahnold signed the legislation in I think 2008, and part of the law said that it went into effect when the California AG certified that the technology does exist. That happened last May.

I just checked the California Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale and this gun is on the list. So it was approved before the microstamping law went into effect.

However, if they make any changes in manufacture at all, it will have to be recertified and in order to pass it must also have microstamping technology.

This is why Ruger and Smith a& Wesson have said they will no longer be able to offer new guns to California.

29 posted on 02/22/2014 5:39:37 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: carriage_hill

Since 1976, there has been the “Magna-trigger”, which was a finger ring, on the inside of which was a unique pattern of magnets that matched a set on the inside of the pistol grip.

While it works, sort of, most gun users put it in the category a “harassment” device, like trigger locks and microstamping, advocated by gun controllers, as just one of many other ways to make guns less useful, and to criminalize gun owners for not obeying all the rules.

The acid test for such things is if individuals think they want and need them, they can buy them. But almost immediately, the gun controllers demand that they be forced on those who don’t want them.


30 posted on 02/22/2014 5:41:07 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: carriage_hill
The pistol sells for $1,399 and the watch retails for another $399 — more than double the cost of .40-caliber Glock handgun, according to the article.

An RIA FS .45 retails for about $400.

Going to be one hell of a great year for the black market.

31 posted on 02/22/2014 5:44:21 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Yo-Yo

Yep; KNEW that was to be part of it, somewhere.


32 posted on 02/22/2014 5:44:38 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

lets see... your house is getting broken into ...

you go to get your “smart gun”

but wait! liberals have made you put it in a cabinet!

ok, so you open the cabinet

but wait! liberals have made you put a trigger lock on it!

ok, so you unlock the trigger lock

but wait! liberals have forced you to store the ammo in a different location!

ok, so you go to that other location (which might also have to be locked) and get the ammo

but wait! your gun is one of the “smart guns” liberals have forced on you, so you also have to find the wrist band.

but wait! the batteries are dead in one or both!

gun wont work.

but wait! it doesn’t matter because, your dead


33 posted on 02/22/2014 5:50:33 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: carriage_hill

First off it’s a .22 and if G_D himself made it $1800.00 is a little high on price. Ruger SR-22 $359.00 with treaded barrel and a extra mag and it goes bang every time you pull the trigger. Keep it simple stupid and you will live longer.


34 posted on 02/22/2014 5:51:22 AM PST by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: carriage_hill

Next Tech. Rfid jammers and scanners linked to gps locator. gun rfid linked to specific frequency. Cops will have them. They will sit in dark rooms tracking every gun with a kill switch for every gun linked to every owner’s DOT registration and Facebook page. After mandating every weapon possesses the rfid tech.


35 posted on 02/22/2014 6:00:13 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: Yo-Yo

This just isn’t going to work well at all. At best, it’s a “reasonable guess” based upon 10 shots.

http://nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/Microstamping.pdf


36 posted on 02/22/2014 6:06:14 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Flick Lives; Yosemitest; carriage_hill
They'll get the owner killed. when they fail to work.

They'll get the owner killed because they're .22 caliber.

At $1,800 for a pistol, I'd say that is a very poor bet.

Nothing like not knowing your market. I can't imagine anyone paying that kind of money for an over priced target gun.

From "Blackhawk Down":

Steele: I'm talking about your weapon, soldier. Now Delta or no-Delta, that's still a hot weapon. Your safety should be on at all times.

"Hoot": This is my safety, sir. [He holds up his index finger and bends motions as if squeezing a trigger and then walks off]

37 posted on 02/22/2014 6:15:02 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

It sounds like a gun-grabber plan to reduce the number of law-abiding gun owners.By one method or another.


38 posted on 02/22/2014 6:15:54 AM PST by Straight8
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To: carriage_hill

This is GREAT! Now all we need is another law to prevent criminals from buying ammunition and we will stop all gun crime!!!! /s


39 posted on 02/22/2014 6:16:44 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: carriage_hill

The manufacturer won’t sell many of these, but is hoping gov’t will force people to buy them. Trust me, the CA pols will force this just as they have with microstamping.


40 posted on 02/22/2014 6:17:37 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: relictele

Yoko Ono. Now that’s a good one!


41 posted on 02/22/2014 6:20:11 AM PST by Lockbar (What Would Vlad The Impaler Do?)
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To: carriage_hill

GOP Governor Candidate Speaks Out Against “Assault Rifles” and “Full Capacity Magazines”

February 21 2014
by Dan Cannon

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I’ve always said don’t just vote party lines if you want to protect your gun rights. There are some moderate Democrats, especially in state legislatures, who have been great friends to the Second Amendment. Likewise, there are Republicans who just about as anti-gun as you can be.

Case in point, California Governor Candidate Neel Kashkari made some disturbing comments about the Second Amendment.

According to SacBee,

“If you’re a single issue voter, and you just want someone to give you a full capacity assault rifle magazine, God bless you, you can go vote for somebody else,” Kashkari told a group of college Republicans at California State University, Sacramento. “I’m not your guy.”

“I do know philosophically that I deeply believe in protecting my own gun rights, and that means protecting your gun rights,” Kashkari said. “But I also believe that, you know, we need to be reasonable about things.”

Kashkari spoke broadly against “layering more gun rules on me, on responsible gun owners,” saying additional restrictions will not prevent gun violence or make people safer. But the former U.S. Treasury Department official said he does not oppose waiting periods or background checks, which he said “didn’t inconvenience me in the slightest” when he has purchased guns.

Keep in mind, this is supposed to be the conservative choice for California governor!

Kashkari has been taking a serious beating on his Twitter account, and to his credit he seems to be responding personally to most of the concerns. Although, I don’t think he’s really helping himself.

@2BPatriotic I was responding to a student question. He wanted me to say I would roll back all gun laws. #nope

— Neel Kashkari (@neelkashkari) February 21, 2014

@Shadowsbesideme yes, I am a gun owner myself and will defend all our rights

— Neel Kashkari (@neelkashkari) February 21, 2014

I’m really concerned about the future of California, which I fear before was already too far gone. Now that the so called “conservative” ballot options in that state are also becoming anti-gun I simply don’t know how California residents take back their state.

Despite what Kashkari says, in my opinion, and I’m pretty sure the opinion of most gun owners, supporting waiting periods, banning certain types of weapons, and magazine limits mean that you DO NOT support the Second Amendment. Period. It’s that simple.

Image Credit: Neel Kashkari Twitter Account

http://gunssavelives.net/politics/gop-governor-candidate-speaks-out-against-assault-rifles-and-full-capacity-magazines/


42 posted on 02/22/2014 6:23:57 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: carriage_hill

Waiting for the first trial where the murderer claims that his “smart” wristwatch was hacked by some “smart” ass and the “smart” wristwatch told his “smart” pistol to shoot another “smart”ass who was driving by in his “smart” car while talking on his “smart” phone. This is gonna be great.


43 posted on 02/22/2014 6:30:23 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (As government expands, liberty contracts. - President Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: DariusBane

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3125791/posts?page=25#25

In the linked WaPo article at Fox News, the mfgr’s jammers are exposed, but they don’t make it into this Fox article.


44 posted on 02/22/2014 6:36:03 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

Battery’s sold separately.

$1800 is double the price of a 40 cal Glock?
This article makes my head hurt.


45 posted on 02/22/2014 6:39:22 AM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law and does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
All that technology is beyond me; I still use an ancient Nokia 6060 "Clamshell" "dumbphone". Heh.
46 posted on 02/22/2014 6:42:13 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: DAC21

Hey, the prudent shooter always keeps some spare battery’s in the field box.

Hold on a tick Mr bad guy, I have a spare 357 battery here...


47 posted on 02/22/2014 6:44:31 AM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law and does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

For a .22cal pistol, yet! More like 3x the price. No batteries needed.


48 posted on 02/22/2014 6:46:24 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

RFID enabled...

Probably means someone could figure out a way to keep that from working fairly easily.


49 posted on 02/22/2014 6:50:22 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: relictele

At first glance, I read singer’s convention, but either one would work.


50 posted on 02/22/2014 6:53:02 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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