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Reparations: A Moral Obligation
Deep Green Philly ^ | February 21, 2014

Posted on 02/22/2014 8:11:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

During his 2004 Senate run and again during the 2008 presidential campaign, Barack Obama stood firm in his opposition to reparations for the descendants of enslaved Africans here in the United States. “I have said in the past – and I’ll repeat again – that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed,” he said in 2008 right before his historic election.

The radical solutions required to address the needs and long-festering wounds of the African American community of course had to be purged from public discourse. Yet before we explore the repercussions of the failure of the first black president to adequately address this issue, let’s take a look at the reparations movement as it currently exists outside of the United States. For the purposes of this article we will focus on reparations as they relate to Africa and the African diaspora, though there are other useful examples – the reparations paid by Germany to Israel being one of them. Despite the fact that the reparations movement never quite got off the ground here in the U.S., globally it’s a different story.

In Kenya, the birthplace of President Obama’s father, tens of thousands of Kenyans were beaten, sexually assaulted, raped and otherwise tortured by the British colonial government and its supporters during the 1950′s and 60′s Mau Mau rebellion. In a landmark case, some of the victims have managed to successfully sue the British government for (a rather paltry) 31.5 million in reparations, including court fees. I consider this amount to be paltry because each of the 5,200 Kenyans who could prove their torture claims will be receiving a mere $4,100. When we consider that a woman who spilled hot coffee on her lap was awarded nearly $3 million, and the vast sums others have received for far less egregious crimes committed against them, the $4,100 figure is indeed nothing more than a symbolic gesture. Yet it sets an interesting precedent.

Represented by the same law firm that successfully sued on behalf of the Kenyans, a coalition of fourteen Caribbean nations (CARICOM) has begun the process of seeking reparations from Britain, France, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Spain, Portugal and Holland for their role in the Atlantic slave trade. According to some estimates, about four trillion British pounds in unpaid labor was extracted from those held in captivity in the West Indies over nearly a century. The sale of sugar, cotton, tobacco, indigo, rum and other products produced on West India’s very lucrative slave plantations jump-started the Industrial Revolution and precipitated Britain, France, Spain and Holland’s elevation to the level of global superpowers. Meanwhile, today, most CARICOM countries are relatively impoverished and dependent on tourism to meet the needs of their people. In February, 2014 CARICOM will officially reveal a list of ten demands for the former colonial and slave owning powers; their demands will include an apology and the recuperation of funds that could total in the billions of dollars.

Both of the above examples are important, but the Kenya example is especially relevant for us here in the United States. While most discussions of reparations have so far focused on the period of chattel slavery leading up to 1865, the Kenya lawsuit against Great Britain compels us to expand the time frame to include the Reconstruction and Jim Crow eras. One century after the official end of slavery African-Americans, like the Kenyans under colonial retribution, continued to endure and struggle against disenfranchisement, exploitation and widespread psychological and physical torture despite being nominally free in their movements. After chattel slavery officially came to an end both private citizens and agents of the state were free to harass, abuse, discriminate against, deny services to, and even murder African Americans with near impunity until relatively recently (although this last point is debatable). The cumulative and lingering effects of virulent anti-black racism cannot be understated when examining the disparities that exist between African Americans and other ethnic groups.

in his book, ‘When Affirmative Action Was White: The Untold History of Racial Inequality in Twentieth Century America’, Ira Katznelson explores how Congress and other agents of the federal government were complicit in economic disenfranchisement and social discrimination during the Jim Crow era. This fascinating book explores the hidden history of how African-Americans were sacrificed by northern liberal lawmakers in exchange for southern cooperation on progressive legislation like the New Deal and the GI Bill. The exclusion of African Americans from the economic and social uplift provided by progressive legislation was systematic and deliberate, and effectively blocked most from entry into the middle class. The effects of this discrimination can still be seen today; the federal government must be held to account for its role in the hobbling of the prospects and aspirations of a significant portion of its citizens.

The situation for many African Americans living in the United States today is dire. Homelessness, health disparities, mass incarceration, food insecurity, joblessness; the cumulative effects of these ills are taking an enormous toll. At the core of these problems lay a lack of resources and a lack of access to resources. Despite the fact that we live in the richest and most powerful country in the world, many African Americans face near third-world conditions and health outcomes, consistently falling behind all other ethnic groups except for Native Americans. As mentioned earlier, in 2008, then-presidential candidate Barack Obama rejected any talk of reparations, instead offering up a mythical robust jobs programs for all Americans. Proponents of reparations were rightfully dismayed considering the widely available data. Consider the following statistics and studies as prime examples of why Mr. Obama’s attitude towards reparations is at best extremely misguided.

A 2003 University of Chicago study by Devah Pager found that whites with felony criminal records were preferred by employers over blacks with no criminal record whatsoever. Additionally, Janelle Ross’ article, ‘Black Unemployment Driven By White America’s Favors For Friends’, describes the repercussions for black job seekers of favoritism in a white-dominated and white supremacist society. According to her analysis, some of the discrimination taking place today in the job market is subconscious or unintentional; but regardless of intentions, discrimination and exclusion have serious economic and social consequences.

According to a 2013 article by Matt Bruening entitled, ‘The Racial Wealth Gap’, blacks collectively hold 2.7 percent of the nation’s wealth with whites gobbling up a whopping 88.4 percent. Black wealth would have to increase by at least five-fold to be in proportion to our share of the population. A Brandeis University study published last year revealed that white median net worth in 2009 was $265,000 while black median net worth was $28,500. A Pew Hispanic Center study found the 2009 median black net worth to be much lower at $5,677.

The NAACP’s Economic Department and the Dēmos think tank recently released the results of a study finding that, despite having relatively similar levels of credit card debt, blacks are 20 percent more likely to be targeted by bill collectors. This is due in part to the fact that, according to the study, “…only 42 percent of African American households reported having “good” or “excellent” credit, compared to 74 percent of white households.” Disparities also exist in the world of student loan debt with 27 percent of black bachelor’s degree holders struggling with more than $30,000 in debt versus 16 percent of white bachelor’s degree holders, according to a study by Campus Progress and the Center for American Progress.

In a capitalist society, disparities in wealth mean disparities in well being; if you cannot afford “the good life” you will most likely not experience one. The health disparities born of socio-economic inequality are particularly troubling considering the fact that they are totally unnecessary and avoidable. Lack of health insurance and access to preventive care is literally killing people. Breast cancer is the leading cause of death among black women aged 45-64 with the death rate being 60% higher than the death rate of white women; diabetes and obesity are at high levels in African American communities with diabetes related mortality rates 20 percent higher for black men and 40 percent higher for black women compared to their white counterparts; the HIV/AIDS rate in some black communities is on par with impoverished African countries – in fact, Washington D.C.’s HIV/AIDS infection rate is actually higher than Ethiopia, Nigeria and Rwanda’s.

In his 2009 article, ‘Racism’s Hidden Toll‘, Ryan Blitstein asks, “Does the stress of living in a white-dominated society make African Americans get sick and die younger than their white counterparts? Apparently, yes.” While examining Arline Geronimus’ excellent research on this subject, he goes on to say:

American minorities face a bevy of chronic obstacles that whites and the socioeconomically advantaged cope with far less often: environmental pollution, high crime, poor health care, overt racism, concentrated poverty. Over the course of a person’s life, the psychological and physiological response to this kind of stress leads to dire health problems, advanced aging and early death.

This, unfortunately, sums up the experience of many African Americans quite well. Lack of access to health insurance, preventive screenings, venues for exercise and stress management, organic food, mental health support and safe communities has severely degraded the quality of life and life expectancy of many African Americans.

The economic and health disparities outlined so far require an urgent response in and of themselves, yet when the issues of mass incarceration, disparities in education, gentrification and homelessness/housing insecurity are added to the picture, we can say with confidence that the measures taken so far to address racial inequality have been a disastrous failure. Adding insult to injury, ongoing widespread police brutality and harassment, racist vigilante attacks and modern day lynchings continue to expose the fraud that is our so-called color blind and post-racial society.

The economic and social stresses African Americans face under white supremacy seem to be increasing rather than decreasing. Something must be done, and it must be done soon before the powder keg explodes, or worse, before people resign themselves to their hobbled status. Yet many vehemently criticize the reparations movement, saying it victimizes African Americans and could lead to people avoiding taking responsibility for their own poor choices. Some question where the money and resources would come from; others denounce the movement altogether for being utopian and for having too broad a scope, or for being too complicated to practically implement. Many of the critiques of the reparations movement amount to victim blaming and an attempt to suppress and conceal the centuries long cumulative effects of white supremacy in this country. As far as the logistics are concerned, if people can send robots to Mars and put a man on the moon we should be able to figure this out, though it will of course require many long hours of debate and discussion.

Before we can explore what reparations and true reconciliation could look like for the African diaspora here in the United States, we must take a moment to address some misconceptions about reparations. Reparations are not:

1. Freedom from chattel slavery 2. Desegregated public spaces, schools and work places 3. The election of African American politicians 4. Legal protections from racist terrorism 5. The right to apply for and receive social services and benefits 6. Black History Month 7. Legal protection from housing discrimination 8. Affirmative Action 9. free money for the lazy and unmotivated

Most of the above are basic human rights; they are, or should be, the bare minimum for people living in a human community and must not be conflated with reparations for past and ongoing injustices and crimes against humanity. Some aspects of the above list could however play a role in the construction of a future reparations program.

Reparations and true reconciliation, though desperately needed, will most likely not occur under the current capitalist regime for several different reasons. One reason is illuminated by Frantz Fanon in his book, ‘Wretched of the Earth’, and directly relates to the Kenya and CARICOM examples explored above. Fanon writes:

Not long ago Nazism transformed the whole of Europe into a veritable colony. The governments of the various European nations called for reparations and demanded the restitution in kind and money of the wealth which had been stolen from them… There was only one slogan in the mouths of Europeans on the morrow of the 1945 V-Day: “Germany must pay.”

Fanon was both exposing the hypocrisy of European powers and making a rhetorical point concerning reparations for African countries suffering from the effects of colonization and colonialism. Unfortunately, African Americans are not in a position comparable to the Kenyans or the members of the CARICOM countries. We have been absorbed, albeit grudgingly, into the American body politic and cannot be considered a separate political entity – at least not at this present moment.

Under the current system African Americans are, in general, treated as the flotsam and jetsam of history who happen to make up a reliable voting bloc for the Democratic party. A relative few are allowed some measure of privilege and media visibility; in exchange they keep silent about the increasingly desperate plight of poor and working class blacks who will ultimately be left to rot in the ghettos and in the prisons as a source of cheap labor very much the same way Natives have been relegated to their distant and mostly forgotten reservations. This is the trajectory we are currently on, but things do not necessarily have to turn out this way.

Given the current political climate where even the first black president could care less about adequately addressing the concerns of poor blacks and blacks in general, the best strategy for moving forward would be to align the reparations movement with other movements for marginalized people. It should be obvious that some of the social and economic ills outlined above also plague other communities, including poor and disenfranchised whites. Native Americans are themselves long overdue for their own form of reparations in the form of the return of stolen lands. Central and south American immigrants, driven from their homelands by NAFTA and other pernicious forces, and who make up a substantial percentage of the population, also have legitimate grievances that need to be addressed. Organized and united agitation for the righting of historical wrongs has the potential to coalesce historically antagonistic and disconnected groups into a powerful political force. The socialist revolution in Venezuela, though incomplete and problematic on some levels, gives us a clear glimpse into what the future could be once marginalized people and their allies manage to leverage power against the bourgeoisie and the money drenched elites.

A broad, determined and united coalition of African Americans, Native Americans, so-called illegal immigrants and working class and poor people of all stripes coming together to demand what is owed to them could ignite a radical transformation of this society away from exploitative capitalism. Over $21 trillion is being hidden offshore by the super rich and global elites. We know that the resources needed to fix society’s problems are there; they are simply, for the moment, out of reach, though hopefully not for long. The traditionally marginalized and dispossessed along with their allies could be a powerful force if united, replacing the “pay to play” society we have now with one that respects the inherent dignity and value of all human beings, offering hope and opportunity to all people instead of to a select and privileged few.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: africa; blacks; caribbean; kenya; obama; reparations; slavereparations; slavery
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1 posted on 02/22/2014 8:11:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mine were technicolor. Pro-Mau Mau propaganda doesn’t sit well in the stomach for me.


2 posted on 02/22/2014 8:15:08 PM PST by Olog-hai
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since everyone involved is dead, that means that one person, because of the color of their skin, has to pay a tax to another person, because of the color of their skin.


3 posted on 02/22/2014 8:15:14 PM PST by willywill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What they really want is white slaves.
4 posted on 02/22/2014 8:15:14 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A condition placed on any reparations should be that the recipient must return to the country of his ancestors and never come back.


5 posted on 02/22/2014 8:19:38 PM PST by jimbobfoster
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They were never slaves and I never owned any slaves. I don’t owe them jack! Reparations my @$$. This is America! Stop the whining, get over it and MoveOn!


6 posted on 02/22/2014 8:19:42 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Communism kills!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As a descendant of Irish slaves I want to know where my money is too?

What BS. The African American “community” is perpetually looking for handouts. Go to school, stay in school, fathers stay with their kids more, etc. Stop blaming whitey for your faults! 80% of violent crime is by blacks, but it’s whitey’s oppression that caused it?

Puke.

So sick of this crap!!!


7 posted on 02/22/2014 8:19:45 PM PST by datura (Democrat=Communist, GOP=Democrat, TEA=American)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Had we known then what we know now, we would’ve picked our own cotton.”

Saw that on a bumper sticker.


8 posted on 02/22/2014 8:21:26 PM PST by datura (Democrat=Communist, GOP=Democrat, TEA=American)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would love to see this pushed. As someone who is overtaxed and overrun this would be truly beautiful thing to see it discussed and implemented. We need more defining moments to warrant the watering of the liberty tree.


9 posted on 02/22/2014 8:21:45 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well since they make sewers out of their own neighborhoods they won't be happy until they make a sewer out of all of America.
10 posted on 02/22/2014 8:24:07 PM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reparations can be viewed as a stimulus package. Two weeks after receiving their checks, the money will be pissed away and back in the economy. I am in favor of paying it if they sign a paper promising to shut up about it.


11 posted on 02/22/2014 8:25:39 PM PST by Octar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anyone who is kidnapped and enslaved has a dynamite case and should be able to walk away with a million dollar payday.

The great-great-grandson, on the other hand, needs to just get on with his life. If his life stinks he needs to fix it.


12 posted on 02/22/2014 8:27:53 PM PST by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My Celtic ancestors were oppressed by the Romans. I still weep for my dead queen, Boadicea. I want reparations from the Italians, with 2,000 years interest.


13 posted on 02/22/2014 8:29:06 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reparations have been paid several times over. Everyone involved, and everyone with parents involved, are dead. Full-blown welfare is easily available and generous. Opportunity abounds. It’s over. Nobody descending from slaves has want for anything their pre-slave ancestors had and the lineage lost. Nigh unto nobody can demonstrate even a reasonable connection between themselves, those harmed, and estates of their oppressors (those who can, come forward). It’s done.

Taking & giving based solely on skin color is grounds for civil war.


14 posted on 02/22/2014 8:30:03 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have five: EEOC, SNAP, EBT, HUD, Pigford.


15 posted on 02/22/2014 8:31:21 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: willywill

They have redefined it to include the Jim Crow era—so anyone born before 1965 can claim reparations, whether or not they lived in a state that had segregation laws.


16 posted on 02/22/2014 8:32:25 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Barack Obama is all the reparations I’ll suffer.


17 posted on 02/22/2014 8:34:09 PM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

yes reparations please for the descendants of the Americans who had property confiscated during the first Civil War 1775-1783..

my direct ancestors had property stolen by the rebel government...in NY and PA..

I demand it back...


18 posted on 02/22/2014 8:35:24 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Prospero

And more than I wanted to...


19 posted on 02/22/2014 8:36:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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20 posted on 02/22/2014 8:40:43 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reparations? Sure. Any group that takes it will forever be excluded from ALL welfare/government transfer payments. FOREVER. As for that ‘socialistic Venezuela revolution’ being such a fine ‘example’, uh, how’s that working out for ya??


21 posted on 02/22/2014 8:41:29 PM PST by yadent
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Sorry, meant to type “this EVENING”.
This reparations crap makes me maaaaad.


22 posted on 02/22/2014 8:42:35 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Go to Youtube and watch the Chris Rock man on the street skit about reparations. The answers are:
A) I’m really sorry about slavery
B) I feel really bad about slavery but don’t think I should have to pay for it.
C) Kiss my white a@#,

Funny but accurate. :-)


23 posted on 02/22/2014 8:42:52 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: cloudmountain

seems there is still this storm


24 posted on 02/22/2014 8:43:25 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Molon Labe, with a new twist.


25 posted on 02/22/2014 8:45:24 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let me get this straight - people who were never slaves are going to take money from people who never held them, and the whole thing is going to be based on the color of their skin. And somehow this isn't outrageously racist.

No sale.

26 posted on 02/22/2014 8:50:36 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, I have one......’Reparations’ this, (Grabs older but still 100% fully functioning junk), this muslim boy.


27 posted on 02/22/2014 8:51:00 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Blacks can compensate the US for lives lost, treasure spent, and infrastructure wasted in the Civil War if they want to, but they don't have to.
But, under no circumstances, should we help them go after the African and Arab descendants of the people who captured them, and sold them into slavery. That crime is way to far in the past for us to prosecute.
28 posted on 02/22/2014 8:57:49 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

delusional

A very high percentage of Americans white and black came to the US after the end of slavery.

Plus making people who never owned slaves to give money to those who were never slaves is ROBBERY


29 posted on 02/22/2014 9:01:14 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: facedown

I’m willing to pay one-way passage to Nairobi to anyone willing to surrender his US passport.


30 posted on 02/22/2014 9:02:06 PM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Broi)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

$20 Trillion in welfare programs since Johnson’s Great Society.

$20 TRILLION


31 posted on 02/22/2014 9:04:47 PM PST by 4Liberty (Optimal institutions - optimal economy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am already reducing my tax footprint. If anything closer to reparations (than the current preferential BS) is ever enacted I will become tax neutral. Uncle Nazi will not get another penny in that event. My days as a productive taxpayer will cease.


32 posted on 02/22/2014 9:06:11 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My ancestors were held in slavery by Black Egyptians for over 400 years and it took a number of Acts of God to set them free. So when are the Blacks going to pay up?

4,000 years of compounded interest should be nice sum. More than Lister had on Red Dwarf.


33 posted on 02/22/2014 9:17:37 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We’ve been paying Trillions of dollars in reparations at least since LBJ. And regrettably the govt spent it in ways that only increased black dependency (probably was predictable). But at any event we’ve paid those reparations ten times over already. Let people ( who are able to) go to work like every mature human bring does, and achieve both independence and dignity. Enough of this financial heroin.


34 posted on 02/22/2014 9:21:50 PM PST by faithhopecharity (" uri)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A broad, determined and united coalition of African Americans, Native Americans, so-called illegal immigrants and working class and poor people of all stripes coming together to demand what is owed to them could ignite a radical transformation of this society away from exploitative capitalism.

Every race including white poor against the rich. Demand what is owed? Another for the list.

35 posted on 02/22/2014 9:30:30 PM PST by xone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Far more important than any purported obligation for reparations is the obligation to make certain that no person who is not personally responsible for the slave trade (which is just about everybody in the U.S. today) is compelled to pay, in any way or by any means, either directly or indirectly, for misdeeds they themselves did not commit.


36 posted on 02/22/2014 10:34:30 PM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have comments but I do not want to get banned for life so I will just leave it at that.


37 posted on 02/22/2014 10:35:16 PM PST by funfan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Over $21 trillion is being hidden offshore by the super rich and global elites. “

I found this interesting. I went to the Forbes article that this is from, and it’s just a guesstimate of how much the top people have taken. One example was the $700 billion that the Russian oligarchs have sent out of there since the collapse of the USSR. Other examples are of looted 3rd world countries. No source for any specific information is given.

I still have a difficult time believing that it’s $21 trillion dollars, especially after he says that the top 92,000 people in the world have about $9 trillion in overseas (i.e. non-homeland) assets.

The Forbes article is here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/07/23/super-rich-hide-21-trillion-offshore-study-says/

The original report is from the Tax Justice Network, a lefty British group, but the report is no longer at the website cited in the article.


38 posted on 02/22/2014 11:23:20 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I had at least one ancestor who died in the Civil War fighting to free the slaves and one who lost a leg. There may be more. Don't you think my ancestors suffered because of slavery?

Mark me down as paid in full.

39 posted on 02/22/2014 11:39:34 PM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: datura

Ditto.

You know why the people of Barbados have green or blue eyes? They are transplants of a few black slaves. The history of rape, torture and murder, pushed by the British on the “Red Legs”, (the color of the Irish’s legs), is horrific. They had shacks with Irish girls and women who were “incubators”, raped by the black overseers for their British masters to produce a lot more slaves for free, and ones who could stand up to the harsh climate better. I cannot remember the name of the neighboring island, but being sent there was a death sentence.

The Irish have twice the time of slavery under the British. Do the descendants scream for retribution and the rest? No. The past is past. Either you move past it or kill yourself with festering hate.


40 posted on 02/22/2014 11:51:51 PM PST by hearthwench (Debbi - Mom, NaNa, and always ornery)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Everyone on the planet is a descendant of some slave.


41 posted on 02/23/2014 12:26:55 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: hearthwench

So if the children of illegal aliens who were brought to this country and therefore are not citizens can’t be “punished for the sins of their fathers”, how is it that people who never held slaves or had any responsibility for slavery are suddenly responsible for reparations? How about reparations to the citizens of the US for all the resources drained by and mayhem committed by illegal aliens who are perpetrators of the crime of being here illegally?


42 posted on 02/23/2014 12:30:08 AM PST by JMS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A strong set of personal moral values and righteousness are the bedrock ‘wealth’ that all should cultivate first; otherwise, any material wealth will be wasted on the immoral.


43 posted on 02/23/2014 3:39:51 AM PST by mdmathis6 (American Christians can help America best by remembering that we are Heaven's citizens first!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Serfdom for all is Obamacare. Everyone is doomed including the descendants of slaves. It took the lives of 300,000 white men and boys to liberate the South from Slavery. The descendants of those 300,000 need reparations from the descendants of slaves as payback for their blood and mental suffering. I will take my first $50,000 in silver, please.


44 posted on 02/23/2014 3:45:58 AM PST by x_plus_one (The harvest is great but the workers are few. Salman Rushdie is still in hiding.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Reparations and true reconciliation...

A contradiction in terms. If you extort money from me in the name of reparations then I'm not going to feel very conciliatory.

45 posted on 02/23/2014 4:08:37 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I noticed the 14 Caribbean Nations aren't suing the African Nation for the major part it played in all of this. Aside from that, I guess this means everyone can pick a point in time when their ancestors were aggrieved by some historical event and now go after the perpetrating Country for reparations. I predict World History is going to become a favored pastime for those looking for some free cash.
46 posted on 02/23/2014 4:23:55 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dear God, please speed the day when idiots like the person who wrote this article leave our shores and never return. Seriously, it is articles like this that leave a person with a feeling there is no hope for black Americans. I don't know if they realize it, but they are a huge, net drag on the resources of the country.

In short, through the tremendous amount of crime and addiction to gov. handouts, black Americans cost the country far more than they're worth. I realize there are millions of blacks (even many who voted for Obama) who work hard, obey the rules, and contribute to society. But overall, they're a completely unnecessary part of the general population ....great Americans like Tom Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, and a few other conservative blacks aside. The latter are welcome to stay....the rest of the whiny complainers please leave.

47 posted on 02/23/2014 4:38:58 AM PST by driftless2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Comments?”

The appearance of articles such as this one about reparations, and the increasing noise from the left about wealth inequality and white privilege, plus occasional articles in academic journals and the media about the $16 trillion in 401K and IRA accounts suggests the next crusade of the left may be “social justice” which includes a massive redistribution scheme. In today’s New York Times there is an article referencing a new academic study suggesting social mobility is very slow and needs to be addressed by government.

Once the election of 2014 is over, Obama and his handlers will be unrestrained by any prospect of facing voters in the future. Given the aggressiveness with which they have pursued the health care, gay rights, government funded abortion, global warming, and immigration amnesty agendas it may be wealth redistribution will be the major push for the 2014 to 2016 period.


48 posted on 02/23/2014 4:41:52 AM PST by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Olog-hai

I have to words or letters “FU”


49 posted on 02/23/2014 4:48:25 AM PST by ronnie raygun (zippy the a##clown sez..............................)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I didnt read it but imo, this would be cover because I believe through the banking system and govt that reparations have been going on for a number of years. Less interest on money, easier to get loans and just easy money from govt loans. jmo


50 posted on 02/23/2014 5:01:28 AM PST by Carry me back
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