Posted on 02/28/2014 5:13:20 AM PST by Texas Fossil
Thanks to Daniel Greenfield for the remarks below to explain where we are with Obozo as POTUS.
The Post-American order stands for nothing except its own dismantling. That is why Obama sets red lines that he won’t enforce and issues threats that he doesn’t mean.
The only thing less appealing than selfishness is the complete absence of self. The only thing less appealing than empire is an anti-imperialism that so thoroughly negates its own power that it has no influence and no reason to exist.
Post-American America exists to destroy itself. Until that changes, it has nothing to offer the world except membership in a suicide pact.
Putin will make moves leading to retaining the Russian Naval Base like we did with Gitmo in Cuba.
Then, he will accommodate the majority of people in the Ukraine who are Russian. Then we will probably see two Ukraines. One that is pro Russia and allied with Russia. The other will be various minorities and a lot of Muslims.
I predicted this as a possible on 2/25/2014
Huh? The Muslims are in the Russian part of the country.
“Huh? The Muslims are in the Russian part of the country.”
Who says they will get to stay where they are?
There could be a trail of tears for them like with our Cherokees, if they cause a lot of problems. Putin and his group have little sympathy for Muslims.
“Somebody thought that Vladimir Putin was gonna just sit there and watch George Soros, Monsanto, and the US state department walk off with the Ukraine??”
The Euros, Obamaites, rats in congress, mediots in the MSM posing as real news people, and the others you mention above.
Help me re the Monsanto connection.
Thanks for your insight and posts.
“I think the best deal would be Russia agrees to allow Ukraine to join the EU and NATO in exchange for getting Crimea and Donetsk region.”
The problem for Ukraine is that a majority of it’s wealth and industry is in the Donetsk region.
A simple Google search on “monsanto Ukraine” turns up more of the story than you can read in one day. Monsanto wants the whole world to be buying its GM seeds and the Ukraine is the basic bread-basket of much of the Eurasian world. Ukraine could feed everybody and everything from the Volga to the Atlantic. Hitler’s plan, had he won WW-II, was to build some sort of a super-gauge train with wheels 20’ or 25’ apart to haul grain from the Ukraine into Europe.
The Ukraine government is legitimate and the treaty isn't void.
....”We did sign an agreement with them”...
And that’s suppose to make a difference to this administration? If Obama doesn’t even honor his Presidential agreements to this country why on earth would any even think he’d do so in Foreign Affairs?
US has lost it’s influence on the World Stage....Obama and Kerry are only given “political consideration”....power.. they have none.
....”We did sign an agreement with them”...
And that’s suppose to make a difference to this administration? If Obama doesn’t even honor his Presidential agreements to this country why on earth would any even think he’d do so in Foreign Affairs?
US has lost it’s influence on the World Stage....Obama and Kerry are only given “political consideration”....power.. they have none.
Others here are making the case to keep out of it - and they may well be correct. But who will trust us going forward?
I saw this coming - not bragging, just saying.
Ukraine is internally a very divided country, with ethnic Russias making up a good part of and source of those divisions. Time and circumstances were going to show Putin exploiting those divisions more than he did in the lead up to the current crisis, if and when he thinks the opportunity provides an excuse for it.
There is no more superpower - he’s self-vacated the role.
My guess: The diplomats will dither. Crimea will declare full independence. It will become a complete vassal of Russia, with Russia having to no longer answer to or find common ground with Ukraine on its use of the fleet it has at the Black Sea ports in Crimea.
Those agreements were made by the last Yeltsin government (1997) earlier in the post-cold war era. They are agreements Putin would not have made back then if, back then, he thought Russia was in the position he sees it in now. The Russian leases on their Sevastopol bases were to run until 2017. But, when Yuschenko was president (the guy who had been poisoned) Ukraine announced that the lease agreements would not be renewed. After Yuschenko lost re-election, in 2010, the agreements were renewed by a new Ukraine govt to 2047. After recent events in Ukraine, maybe Putin is not going to take chances any longer on Black Sea agreements with Ukraine.
I agree with you. Pooty tooty does not.
On the other hand, maybe we could invase and occupy a chunk of Canadian territory and offer to withdraw if they would agree to take Detroit.
That’s your fantasy.
” and has appealed for the United States and United Kingdom to protect it, as they guaranteed under a 1994 agreement.”
When did our Senate ratify a mutual defense pact with the Ukraine?
I’m not enthusiastic over anyplace being overrun by outsiders (as the Russians in this instance are); but as John Adams said, while we are sympathetic to others’ desires for liberty, we are custodians only of our own.
No president has the constitutional authority to commit the US to overseas wars without the express permission of Congress.
Thanks. You saved me a lot of time.
“A simple Google search on “monsanto Ukraine” turns up more of the story than you can read in one day. Monsanto wants the whole world to be buying its GM seeds and the Ukraine is the basic bread-basket of much of the Eurasian world. Ukraine could feed everybody and everything from the Volga to the Atlantic. Hitler’s plan, had he won WW-II, was to build some sort of a super-gauge train with wheels 20’ or 25’ apart to haul grain from the Ukraine into Europe.”
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