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The deadly illusion of a divided Ukraine
Kyiv Post ^ | March 2, 2014 | Ilya Timtchenko

Posted on 03/02/2014 10:27:28 PM PST by Krosan

The Western media has devoted substantial coverage to Ukraine in recent days. Sadly, much of that coverage has been so oversimplified as to border on falsehood. Perhaps the best example of this is the narrative of a “divided Ukraine,” which has been repeated frequently and confidently by Western journalists. This narrative is factually suspect and, if believed by enough powerful people, will have disastrous results for our country.

National Public Radio reporter David Stern said: “As Ukraine is a split society, there is always the danger that there could be a civil war.”

Max Fisher, writing for The Washington Post, referenced an “Ethno-Linguistic Map of Ukraine,” which showed the regional division of the country into ethnic Ukrainians and ethnic Russians, as well as showing the Ukrainian-Russian language divide. Writing for Open Democracy, Ethan Burger goes as far as to suggest that Ukraine should be partitioned into two countries: east and west.

The problem is that much of the media’s referenced information is coming from the outdated 2010 presidential elections or even from 2004 Orange Revolution data. During the past seven months, the picture has dramatically changed. As for the past month, the harsh division is simply not there anymore.

Most of Ukraine’s citizens who represent the nation’s cultural and intellectual society have held a view directly opposite to mainstream Western media.

(Excerpt) Read more at kyivpost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine

1 posted on 03/02/2014 10:27:29 PM PST by Krosan
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To: Krosan

Putin will reincorporate Crimea into Russia much the same way China took Tibet. There is really nothing the West can do. If Putin is satisfied with Crimea, the transformation may be bloodless. However if he moves against the eastern Ukraine landmass, there will be fighting.


2 posted on 03/02/2014 10:32:15 PM PST by allendale
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To: Krosan

The media is doing it to justify the Russian invasion so that Obama is not embarrassed by the disaster.


3 posted on 03/02/2014 10:32:43 PM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Krosan
They're trying to tell us that in the past 7 months millions of Russian Ukrainians switched allegiance from Russia over to the pro-EU faction that eventually rioted and chased the president out of town?

I don't buy it. This sounds like something Obama's truth squad dreamed up to put out there.

4 posted on 03/02/2014 10:34:02 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Krosan

Ukraine won’t be divided, the Russians will reassert their influence over the entire region.
The Crimea area — Russia’s southern military base including its main warm water port facilities, plus the majority of Russian people living in Ukraine...
The rest of Ukraine — Russia’s gas and oil pipeline routes, plus the main food/grain production region for Russia, etc.
And, routes into Russia from Germany/Europe (remembering World War 2, for instance, and prior history).


Right or wrong, any good fifth grade history book (or any of many very clear Russian statements - Putin, etc.) should suffice to inform our leaders that Russia isn’t going to give control or substantial influence in Ukraine to Germany/Europe.
————————— Right or wrong, no amount of silly street thug threats or blustering can change history or Russia’s concerns and interests with Ukraine.

just my 2cents worth. we will see....


5 posted on 03/02/2014 10:34:51 PM PST by faithhopecharity (" uri)
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To: Cementjungle
Not necessarily that many switched, but last November there was 39% pro-EU, 37% pro Russian Customs Union and 24% didn't know.

The pro-EU crowd might have gotten some of their extra support from the camp that previously did not know. Also Russian propaganda has lost a lot of its credibility in the eyes of regular people.

https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/poll-ukrainian-public-split-over-eu-customs-union-options-332470.html

6 posted on 03/02/2014 10:49:46 PM PST by Krosan
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To: faithhopecharity

and I’m not siding with them, either, just observing is all...

we will see what transpires....

we will see...


7 posted on 03/02/2014 11:06:41 PM PST by faithhopecharity (" uri)
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To: Krosan

I don’t think 58 percent is a majority of the country — that leaves 42 percent who do not want to join the EU. And bringing a rock star’s opinion into the discussion is a real nonstarter. Language differences *do* divide a country by making “otherness” even stranger. People are alienated from each other when communication is difficult. So I don’t think this message — that Ukrainians are in agreement on what kind of country they want — is correct. I feel very sorry for these folks. The only thing worse than being a country whose people are divided in their outlook about their government is being that country with two superpowers standing by and adding fuel to the fire.


8 posted on 03/03/2014 3:21:37 AM PST by Toucan Dance (worse and worse)
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To: Krosan
The pro-EU crowd might have gotten some of their extra support from the camp that previously did not know. Also Russian propaganda has lost a lot of its credibility in the eyes of regular people.

The Russian message got out first since it had been written before the event.

9 posted on 03/03/2014 12:04:18 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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10 posted on 03/03/2014 12:06:01 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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