Posted on 03/03/2014 12:28:18 PM PST by xzins
Other than this Jews as the center of the universe perpsective, we are so used in America to our two party system, where the two parties hold no hard principles except both being for ‘goodness’ and little else, that we are unable to understand countries, most countries in the world, with multiple political parties, each with a strong set of well defined principles and ideas on governing, each with membership of the willing, that is people who not merely and capriciously register to vote as party “members” with no obligations or commitments of any kind, as we do here, but people who sign up and pay dues, while most of the population does not belong to any political party.
What proportion of the electorate do they represent?
Nobody’s clean in this. The supposed surprise of the Western intelligence services (oh please... ), and especially the lack of blood, indicate this was agreed to by all stakeholders beforehand. The people of Ukraine have been royally screwed. Putin has been paid off by global powers. The question is, for what?
And Geez, the Nazi = Right Wing crap is truly beyond it’s sell-by date.
What about the Ukrainians who signed up with Stalin and murdered indiscrimately, and not only Jews?
During World War II, Ukraine lost 10 million people--one-sixth of the population.
There you go.
There are more outright Communists in the U.S.
I find it rather odd that there are large and active Neo Nazi groups in the parts of Eurasia where the REAL nazi’s ravaged.
Not that I think it is fake, but that it is just very odd. Kind of like finding pro Imperial Shinto groups inside of Korea.
“What proportion of the electorate do they represent?”
Svoboda are small, like their namesake in Nazi Germany was small. They’ve actually been outflanked on the far right by several groups.
That said, Svoboda are the ones leading this.
There’s an interesting article about an Israeli IDF soldier of Ukrainian extraction participating in the fighting, leading a Jewish battalion. He admits Svoboda is Neo-Nazi (and he is taking orders from them), but argues the Communist are worse.
I’ll try to find the link, assuming I can find it in English.
I am judging for myself, and don’t think you have to educate us. We see what you see, but we don’t overestimate the influence of these radicals for propaganda purposes serving Putin.
The Muslim Brotherhood was Nazi in its sympathies.
While it appears that Obama has commie items in his background, his social corporatism is straight out of neo-Nazism.
Both are a form of socialism.
The following from: ‘
****The Muslim Brotherhood is built on Wahhabi foundations.
Amin Al-Husseini becomes prominent member of Muslim Brotherhood.
(Haj Amin al-Husseini was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. An Arab nationalist, prominent Muslim religious leader, and wartime propagandist for Nazi Germany.****
What proportion of the electorate did the Bolsheviks represent when the Czar was overthrown?
In chaos, the ruthless prevail.
That Bandera is "a Nazi" is at best an arguable point.
He was arrested within a week or so of the Nazis invading Ukraine and spent the rest of the war in a concentration camp, so it's difficult to see how he had opportunity to do much collaborating.
http://theredphoenixapl.org/about/about-the-red-phoenix/
“The Red Phoenix is the mass voice of the American Party of Labor. It is a newspaper dedicated to providing a creative and original insight on what is happening in the United States of America and around the world. Along with giving our readers a dose of important news, events, reviews and commentary we will also give our opinion on steps revolutionaries can take on initiating practical ways that they can take on uniting with allies to fight our oppressors.
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Nice source you got yourself there. I’m sure neither you nor they would be biased in presenting the Ukes by taking a minority fringe and representing it incorrectly .....
I am serious. Where do you find a bunch of old WWII German helmets? The WWII reenactors I know had to MAKE theirs!
Israpundit says this:
***Fortunately for Ukraine’s estimated 350,000 Jews, the third largest Jewish community in Europe, there is Israel. Last week, Russian-born Knesset Member Rina Frenkel, who lived in Kiev before moving permanently to Israel in 1990, sent a letter to Prime Minister Netanyahu, asking him to initiate an immediate rescue effort for Ukrainian Jews, to provide a framework to help Jews emigrate to Israel, and referring to Ukrainian history, which is replete with anti-Semitic murders and pogroms.***
Another source of the photos:
Not saying you agree with them, but the selective composition of photos ought to come with attribution to the source lest we allow ourselves to be inordinately swayed by organizations like “StompImperialism.org”.
“I find it rather odd that there are large and active Neo Nazi groups in the parts of Eurasia where the REAL nazi’s ravaged.”
Too often, slaves do not dream of freedom.
They dream of being the master.
Can you be more specific as to what their goals are in Ukraine? Erect concentration camps? Invade and conquer their neighbors?
Ukraine's economy is in shambles. It desperately needs a bailout from the international community. The Soviet legacy of corruption is rife among politicians of all stripes. The life expectancy for men is 63 years. The fertility rate is 1.29, well below replacement levels. The annual population growth rate is -0.63% (2013 est.) It is a country imploding and certainly no great threat to any of its neighbors.
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