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Kiev agitators 'trained in Poland' claims Putin
The News (Poland) ^ | 4 March 2014

Posted on 03/04/2014 10:35:42 AM PST by Army Air Corps

President Putin claimed on Tuesday that "well prepared" and organized protesters in Kiev who brought down the Yanukovych regime were "trained in Poland and Lithuania".

In his first in-depth comments since the Russian parliament gave the green light for military action in Ukraine on Saturday, Vladimir Putin told a press conference in Moscow, "look how well they were prepared."

"They underwent preparation in bases in Lithuanian and Polish border areas, and [of course] in Ukraine itself. Their instructors were ready for a lengthy time, you saw how they were prepared, like special forces, they were even divided up into squads," Putin told journalists.

On Saturday, the vice-president of the Russian Federation Council claimed that "gunmen who took over power in Kiev were trained in Poland and Lithuania".

The Polish defence ministry categorically denied the accusations on Tuesday.

A confident looking Russian president said today that, "there can be only one assessment of what happened in Kiev, in Ukraine in general. This was an anti-constitutional coup and the armed seizure of power. No one argues with this," he said.

Putin said Russia reserved the right to use all options in Ukraine to protect compatriots living in "terror" but that Moscow would use force only as a last resort.

"As for bringing in forces. For now there is no such need but such a possibility exists," he said. "What could serve as a reason to use military force? It would naturally be the last resort, absolutely the last."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: cfr; cia; coldwar2; poland; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 03/04/2014 10:35:42 AM PST by Army Air Corps
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To: Army Air Corps

UNLESS that is merely russian propaganda.... duuugh..


2 posted on 03/04/2014 10:38:37 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

The rhetoric from Putin gets weirder, no?


3 posted on 03/04/2014 10:39:37 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: GeronL; KC_Lion

Ping.


4 posted on 03/04/2014 10:39:54 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

It appears that Poland and Lithuania will be next on Putin’s schedule for invasion. He has to shut down those training bases.

There is a storm approaching.


5 posted on 03/04/2014 10:41:00 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Army Air Corps

with all the governmental restrictions of Western intelligence agencies and fear of being compromised by politicians and the media, Russia has one of the most effective intelligence agency in today’s world.


6 posted on 03/04/2014 10:42:15 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Army Air Corps
Didn't Hitler claim Austria was hosting agitators, and used that as an excuse to move in? I know he used protecting ethnic Germans as an excuse to annex the Sudetenland, just as Pooty-Poot is using "protecting ethnic Russians" as an excuse to invade Crimea. Is it me, or is the repeat of history getting really creepy? The rise of a dictator, threatening Europe, the rise of an Empire in the East, all while we in the US dither our way through an economic depression? George Santayana appear to be right again.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

7 posted on 03/04/2014 10:43:14 AM PST by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: P-Marlowe

Putin doesn’t give a flying f..k about Poland.


8 posted on 03/04/2014 10:43:18 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: hosepipe

Gee,

Sounds like Putin has put Poland and Lithuania on his “menu” — after he absorbs Ukraine.

Well, at least we know now what Obama meant when he promised more “flexibility” to Putin after his re-election.

I wonder how much illegal Russian money George Soros “invested” in Obama’s re-election campaign.


9 posted on 03/04/2014 10:44:35 AM PST by pfony1 (Add just 6 GOP Senators and we "bury" Harry)
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To: wku man

All this in a year in which we observe the centennial of the beginning of the first World War.


10 posted on 03/04/2014 10:44:43 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: lizol

Ping.


11 posted on 03/04/2014 10:45:23 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

I figure it’s just typical Russian BS, just like the crap they used to spew during the Cold War. Let’s not forget that Comrade Putin there is a former Cold Warrior himself.

If he actually believes the fatuous nonsense he’s peddling, then he’s either surrounded by lickspittles who are telling him BS, or worse yet, he actually believes it, in which case he’s completely delusional.


12 posted on 03/04/2014 10:45:37 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Now we know who’s next after Ukraine.


13 posted on 03/04/2014 10:46:03 AM PST by OKSooner ("As the riders went on by him, he heard one call his name...")
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To: Army Air Corps

well we will know who’s on the list after Putin regains the Sudetenland.


14 posted on 03/04/2014 10:48:05 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: P-Marlowe
bammy says it will have to wait until after March Madness brackets are filled out.
15 posted on 03/04/2014 10:48:40 AM PST by deweyfrank
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To: Army Air Corps
"They underwent preparation in bases in Lithuanian and Polish border areas, and [of course] in Ukraine itself. Their instructors were ready for a lengthy time, you saw how they were prepared, like special forces, they were even divided up into squads," Putin told journalists.

I tend to believe him but let's see the evidence.

16 posted on 03/04/2014 10:49:28 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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To: pfony1; Army Air Corps

a Russian czar wanting to partition Poland and Lithuania.

that sounds familiar


17 posted on 03/04/2014 10:49:49 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: Army Air Corps
Un Huh, and all those “domestic peacekeepers” in Ukraine, that happen to be wearing hand-me-down fatigues of the Russian Special forces, and carrying Russian standard issue weapons, are just trying to deliver food and water to those Ukrainian Soldiers, who must have accidentally cut of their water and electricity last night, while manning their post at Ukrainian bases.
18 posted on 03/04/2014 10:50:15 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Yeah, this seems rather desperate, an attempt to make it look like a broad conspiracy. Good grief. The Ukrainians needed someone else to tell them they shouldn’t like the guy that stepped down? Doesn’t look like the move of a man convinced he’s winning the public debate.


19 posted on 03/04/2014 10:50:39 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: pfony1
I wonder how much illegal Russian money George Soros “invested” in Obama’s re-election campaign.

I thought Putin and Soros didn't like each other because of the former's social conservatism?

Of course, it may all be a put-on. After all, nothing's happened to George yet. I guess if Vlad were really ticked off at him something would have by now.

20 posted on 03/04/2014 10:51:55 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
They underwent preparation in bases in Lithuanian and Polish border areas, and [of course] in Ukraine itself.

What is in the least difficult to believe about this?

The "protesters" did appear to be amazingly well-organized, and they probably were trained somewhere by somebody. Or some of them, at least.

That Putin is a Bad Man doesn't mean everything he says is untrue.

A great deal of Hitler's justifications for his actions were true, just mixed with lies and intended to deceive.

21 posted on 03/04/2014 10:52:38 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Army Air Corps
Here is video of Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland admitting that Uncle Scam spent 5 billion dollars to destabilize Ukraine Video

Here is audio of Nuland conspiring with Ambassador to Ukraine George Pyatt to install banker Yatseniuk as Prime Minister, which happened only week later Audio

22 posted on 03/04/2014 10:52:45 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Putin really going back to Russian history claiming Poland and Lithuania are involved. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a major enemy of Russia and they actually took Moscow during what are called the Time of Troubles before the establishment of the Romanov Dynasty.


23 posted on 03/04/2014 10:54:03 AM PST by C19fan
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To: pfony1

Sounds like Putin has put Poland and Lithuania on his “menu” — after he absorbs Ukraine.


Seems he already OWNS Barry Half-White......
Barry is Putin’s “bitch”...


24 posted on 03/04/2014 10:55:59 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: KC_Lion
Currently, the Polish MoD denies that Polish forces are mobilizing or on alert.
25 posted on 03/04/2014 10:58:58 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps
I almost hope he'll try something: the entire Polish nation would rise en masse.

He'd quickly run out of army trying to occupy Poland.

26 posted on 03/04/2014 10:59:53 AM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: swamprebel

Pooty poot poot actually claimed today that there are NO Russian Forces, in the Ukraine. His burning ambition to be reestablish the Russian Empire and become it’s next Czar, has given him Grandiose delusional disorder. Merkel, in the land of Sigmund Freud, has diagnosed Putin correctly.


27 posted on 03/04/2014 11:00:06 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: hosepipe

-— Sounds like Putin has put Poland and Lithuania on his “menu” — after he absorbs Ukraine. -—

Sure sounds like it. But I have Polish relatives, and Poland will not roll over for the Ruskies. Putin knows that, and is more likely trying for the Finlandization of Poland, or pulling Poland into a Russian alliance.


28 posted on 03/04/2014 11:01:54 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Army Air Corps
Polish Armed Forces 2013:

120,000 Armed Forces, Active Duty.
423,000 Reserves.

Army:

950 MBTs - 128 Leopard 2, 233 PT-91 Twardy, 690 T-72
1510 AIFV - 1291 BMP-1, 212 KTO Rosomak (Patria)
693 APC
40 MRAPs
950 artillery pieces
145 Army helicopters (32 Mi-24, 37 PZL W-3 Sokol, 46 Mi-2, 17 Mi-8, 13 Mi-17)

A major case of indigestion for the bear, not to mention NATO involvement.

29 posted on 03/04/2014 11:07:35 AM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: hosepipe

“merely russian propaganda”

Nope!

February 5 2014 - Ukraine: Neo-Nazi Militia Leader Threatens ‘Civil War’

... a gaggle of disparate fascist and ultra-nationalist factions have managed to take advantage of the chaos and popular anger against the government, stoked further over the deaths of several opposition activists. They may be relatively small in number but are well organized, determined and, it appears, well-armed.

On Tuesday, in an exclusive interview with TIME World, the leader of the largest coalition of far-right paramilitary factions threatened his forces were preparing for an all-out civil war.

Dmitro Yarosh, the leader of (neo-nazi) Pravy Sektor (Right Sector), revealed in his first interview with the foreign press that his men had amassed an arsenal of deadly weapons and were prepared to “to defend all of Ukraine” from the government, whom he refers to as “the internal occupiers”.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/177113#.UxYjoc76-8A


30 posted on 03/04/2014 11:08:11 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
pulling Poland into a Russian alliance

LOL-- they'd sooner line up on the streets of Warsaw, drop their pants, and wave their hind parts at the Russian embassy.

The Poles react viscerally to both German and Russian pressure, but they have some admiration for German cultural and economic achievements.

The Russians they regard as little more than white Mongol barbarians.

31 posted on 03/04/2014 11:11:30 AM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Army Air Corps
There is a lot of historic (ancient history) bad blood between Poland and Russia and Lithuania and Russia.

What is interesting is how historic enemies are being dusted off by Putin and used for modern propaganda. Kind of like Hitler blaming everything bad on the “Jews.”

A Paul Harvey (the rest of the story) part of this story on Putin vs Poland & Lithuania is not well reported in the media. It explains why the Polish government wanted assurances from NATO and the US over military support if attacked.

Russia in addition to massing troops near the Ukraine also held military exercises near the Polish and Lithuanian boarder to send a message to those countries as well. Poland heard the message loud and clear and is asking NATO to make clear how it will protect Poland should it be attacked. The focus of Putin on agitators trained in Poland and Lithuania along with the military exercises on their borders is a clear message that the Russian bear wants a compliant submissive neighbor.

32 posted on 03/04/2014 11:13:09 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: KC_Lion
a Russian czar wanting to partition Poland and Lithuania

Berlin.

Keep your eyes on Berlin.

33 posted on 03/04/2014 11:13:45 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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34 posted on 03/04/2014 11:13:53 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Jim Noble

I hope we do not see the fourth partition of Poland.

keep the Russians out

The Prussians in

and the Austrians down


36 posted on 03/04/2014 11:16:01 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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“merely russian propaganda”

Nope!

Back in December 2013, at the time Victoria Nuland announced that the United States had invested $5 billion dollars to help Ukrainians achieve a new form of government, Senator John McCain met with national-socialist (nazi) Svoboda Party leader Oleh Tyahnybok, sharing the stage with him at an event during which McCain gave the United States’ blessing for the opposition revolt.

As recently as three weeks ago, Nuland met with both Tyahnybok and Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who is now Ukraine’s putschist Prime Minister. In a leaked phone conversation, Nuland was caught red-handed scheming to install Yatsenyuk in the government before President Viktor Yanukovych had even left Kiev!

Despite Svoboda’s neo-nazi connections, the party has been handed key positions in the newly formed government. These posts include the deputy prime minister and the heads of the agriculture and environmental ministries. In addition to these positions, a Svoboda lawmaker was appointed the new prosecutor general in the interim government!


37 posted on 03/04/2014 11:16:51 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

The Nazi’s treated the Ukrainians horribly, sold Hundreds of thousands of them into slavery. You do realize that right?


38 posted on 03/04/2014 11:19:09 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: hosepipe

At least in the USA, we can always trust what the Government and State Controlled Media tell us.


39 posted on 03/04/2014 11:19:23 AM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: Army Air Corps

Not really.

These agitators, weather real or imagined, come from countries that were once part of the Soviet Union.

Another excuse to invade them when the time is ripe.

Get worried when he claims that the agitators come from Washington DC.


40 posted on 03/04/2014 11:19:55 AM PST by 353FMG
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To: KC_Lion
I don't think partitioning Poland, per se, would be helpful to Russia OR Germany.

I DO think that Poland could facilitate the partition of Ukraine by taking back Lwow (Lemberg), and if Poland did so, some desire for return to the fatherland might appear in unexpected areas of what is now Poland.

We are very bad at the long game. It may yet be our downfall.

41 posted on 03/04/2014 11:20:17 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Those agitators need to offer Russia the chance to leave before they blow up pipe lines.


42 posted on 03/04/2014 11:20:27 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Eastern European countries need a second amendment pronto.


43 posted on 03/04/2014 11:21:04 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: swamprebel

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CN%5CA%5CNaziwarcrimesinUkraine.htm


44 posted on 03/04/2014 11:23:18 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Marguerite
Hello, Marguerite,

There you go again....messing up propaganda with those nasty little facts.

I'd find it hard to believe that the US weren't involved. We have been everywhere else that a "popular uprising" became a sophisticated military operation.

This trend of using uprisings to install new governments is not proving to be beneficial for the continued existance of civilization.

45 posted on 03/04/2014 11:27:28 AM PST by grania
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To: wku man

Exactly what I was thinking. If the Kremlin mysteriously catches fire, we’ll know history is about to repeat itself.


46 posted on 03/04/2014 11:32:13 AM PST by IronJack
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To: swamprebel

It’s not like it’s some organized thing. Putin’s government puts all kinds of stuff out there. Some people, Jewish or not, pick it up and spread it. Other people, whatever their religion or ethnicity don’t.


47 posted on 03/04/2014 11:33:24 AM PST by x
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To: Army Air Corps

Putty knows that he’ll have mindless parrots even on Free Republic to spout his lies. Sow fear uncertainty and doubt, FUD, it always works!


48 posted on 03/04/2014 11:33:40 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: swamprebel
Pooty poot poot actually claimed today that there are NO Russian Forces, in the Ukraine.

The fact that the Russian troops are not wearing insignia makes them unlawful combatants and, as such, do not receive the full protections of the Third Geneva Convention.
49 posted on 03/04/2014 11:34:41 AM PST by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: Army Air Corps

uh oh.......


50 posted on 03/04/2014 11:36:46 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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