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Dennis Kucinich Blames US Meddling for Russian Invasion
newsmax.com ^ | March 04, 2014 | Greg Richter

Posted on 03/04/2014 6:44:29 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was spurred by American behind-the-scenes actions, says former Ohio Congressman and Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich.

Fox News host Bill O'Reilly on Tuesday accused Kucinich of being a pacifist because of his opposition to the Iraq War, but Kucinich countered he believed that war was wrong, but not all U.S. military action is so.

O'Reilly then asked how Kucinich would have handled the Ukraine crisis had he been elected president.

"What I'd do is not have USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy working with U.S. taxpayers' money to knock off an elected government in Ukraine, which is what they did," Kucinich answered. "I wouldn't try to force the people of Ukraine into a deal with NATO against their interest or into a deal with the European Union, which is against their economic interest."

"So it's the USA's fault that Putin rolled in? We made them do it?" O'Reilly asked.

"Bill O'Reilly, if you don't believe in cause and effect I don't know what I can do for you," Kucinich responded.

Kucinich said the United States has been involved covertly and behind the scenes with the CIA and two government foreign aid groups, the National Endowment for Democracy and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) to "stir up trouble in Ukraine."

He didn't specify what the groups had done, but said the National Endowment for Democracy had sponsored 65 programs. He said the United States should stay out of Ukraine's affairs and let their people decide their future without outside interference.

As a result, "you've got neo-Nazis that are in control," Kucinich said.

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KEYWORDS: eubidding; russia; soros; statedepartment; ukraine; usaid
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1 posted on 03/04/2014 6:44:29 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Did he beat Ron Paul to the punch?


2 posted on 03/04/2014 6:45:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Haven’t heard from him in a while ... guess he got a new tin foil hat, so he is back.


3 posted on 03/04/2014 6:46:05 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I agree with him


4 posted on 03/04/2014 6:47:00 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I would appear it’s Putin’s hand up Kuchi’s butt
not Obama or maybe it’s some kind of circular
puppet thing.


5 posted on 03/04/2014 6:48:25 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve often said that Ronpaul had gone so far to the Right, he was going to eventually met up with Kucinich going to his Left


6 posted on 03/04/2014 6:52:58 PM PST by digger48
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To: doc1019
guess he got a new tin foil hat with a propeller, so he is back.

Since he has no job skills and since no one will hire him, he has to open his wee little mouth every so often and remind us that he exists.

7 posted on 03/04/2014 6:53:45 PM PST by laweeks
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To: Tailgunner Joe

he isn’t totally wrong. the west , including europe and the US, tried to peel Ukraine from the Russian orbit with incentives. Putin said no. thats pretty much where it stands.


8 posted on 03/04/2014 6:55:01 PM PST by beebuster2000
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To: yldstrk
I agree with him

I saw the O'Reilly-Kucinich discussion, and like you, I think Kucinich made the better argument.

Here's the way I see it. The Soviet Union meddled in America's back yard (Cuba), so Kennedy took action.

Now it's America that's meddling in Russia's back yard, so Putin took action. The question now becomes this. Is Putin acting to defend Russia, or to expand Russia? I think (and hope0 it's the former, but time will tell.

9 posted on 03/04/2014 6:55:51 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
He didn't specify what the groups had done...

Yes, and that's a problem. What we know about is EU activity, not CIA or any NGO. Not that I'd put it past them, but if Dennis knows anything he's going to have to say it, not hint.

10 posted on 03/04/2014 6:57:54 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: laweeks

I thought he was going out to Washington state to become a senator or something? I wish he would, Ohio could do without him ... for sure. Between him and Boehner, we have reason to be embarrassed here in OH about our political representation.


11 posted on 03/04/2014 6:59:39 PM PST by doc1019
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To: doc1019
I thought he was going out to Washington state to become a senator or something?

He DID go out to Washington and they turned their nose up at the worthless unemployable non-skilled jackass. I hope he stays the hell out of Ohio.

12 posted on 03/04/2014 7:01:15 PM PST by laweeks
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I hate it when I agree with Dennis Kucinich.


13 posted on 03/04/2014 7:02:06 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Kucinich is an Honored Elder in the Blame America First Club. If an asteroid struck Mars, he would blame America for it.


14 posted on 03/04/2014 7:05:09 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

‘Dennis Kucinich Blames US Meddling for Russian Invasion’
If he’d said “incompetence” he’d have been right.

Wow, two idiots’ conversation preserved for posterity. What a media.


15 posted on 03/04/2014 7:05:34 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ted Baxter should just have Denny the K’s wife on.....


16 posted on 03/04/2014 7:16:51 PM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Broi)
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To: Leaning Right
Here's the way I see it. The Soviet Union meddled in America's back yard (Cuba), so Kennedy took action.

Now it's America that's meddling in Russia's back yard, so Putin took action.

The Soviet missiles that were put in Cuba were a direct threat to the United States. What threat is there against Russia in Ukraine?

17 posted on 03/04/2014 7:17:06 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: yldstrk

Well, you’ll fit in nicely with the rest of the blame-America-first crowd here. Kucinich/Paul 2016 - Let’s give the world away.


18 posted on 03/04/2014 7:19:50 PM PST by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Better dead than Red. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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To: Leaning Right

I’ll agree with you that Kennedy tried to invade Cuba, in a fashion. But the US did not occupy Cuba. The Russians pay more attention to the “occupy” thing.


19 posted on 03/04/2014 7:23:03 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Billthedrill
USAID and NED were funding Ukrainian "pro-democracy" organizations such as New Citizen, Centre UA, and Chesno, which were specifically targeting the Party of Regions MPs in their local districts by making accusations of corruption and other types of malfeasance.

Similar tactics were used by the Democrats against Scott Walker in Wisconsin.

The US State Dept. admits spending roughly $5 Billion on this type of direct meddling in Ukraine's internal affairs.

The CIA's involvement is murkier and may involve setting up camps in Poland and Lithuania for the purpose of vetting and training some of the protesters involved in the Maidan movement.

20 posted on 03/04/2014 7:23:37 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Repeal 16-17
The Soviet missiles that were put in Cuba were a direct threat to the United States. What threat is there against Russia in Ukraine?

You need to think like a Russian. If you were Russian, you would have studied Napoleon's invasion, and you would have older relatives who personally experienced Hitler's invasion.

For self-defense, you would want the Ukraine in Russia's orbit. Just as the USA wants Canada in the USA's orbit.

I'm not saying that Putin is correct, or that the Russian mind-set is correct. I'm not defending either one. But to understand Russian politics, you need to think like a Russian.

21 posted on 03/04/2014 7:27:07 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

bamster already did along with the slim majority of Americans who voted for him who I will never forgive


22 posted on 03/04/2014 7:30:51 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: 1rudeboy
But the US did not occupy Cuba.

Only because the American proxies were defeated at the Bay of Pigs. The US had every intention of "occupying" Cuba. The occupying force was to be American proxies, and not the actual American army.

Don't get me wrong. I wish the Bay of Pigs had turned out differently. The people of Cuba would have been so much better off had Castro been defeated.

23 posted on 03/04/2014 7:35:22 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right

Russia did not send proxies. Russia is occupying. Get it?


24 posted on 03/04/2014 7:37:40 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Dennis Who? He is still around?


25 posted on 03/04/2014 7:46:12 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014: The Year of DEAD RINOS)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; flaglady47; pax_et_bonum; mickie; Maine Mariner; seekthetruth
O'Reilly and Kucinich......the leprechaun and the gnome....now there's a real pair to draw to.

Virtually unnoticed by the cameras at the event, I spotted Dennis and his wife, Elizabeth, milling around in the midst of the red-carpet mob at the Oscars the other night.

She is a lovely lady, towering over her husband by about 10 feet. Despite her taste in husbands, I did like her taste in gowns....and I especially loved her reply when she was asked by a mediacrat "what are you wearing?"......instead of the usual "Armani" or whatever, she answered "No idea....clothes".

Leni

26 posted on 03/04/2014 7:47:53 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: 1rudeboy
Russia did not send proxies. Russia is occupying. Get it?

I do not see where there is any difference. Regular troops, proxy forces, paid mercenaries, whatever. Old regime is gone. New (puppet) regime is in place. That's what Kennedy wanted for Cuba. And that's what Putin actually got for the Crimea.

27 posted on 03/04/2014 7:51:47 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right
Here's the way I see it. The Soviet Union meddled in America's back yard (Cuba), so Kennedy took action. Now it's America that's meddling in Russia's back yard, so Putin took action.

The USSR's meddling in Cuba consisted of placing nuclear-tipped missiles there aimed at the United States. Hardly equivalent to any US "meddling" in Ukraine.

28 posted on 03/04/2014 7:52:19 PM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: Leaning Right
I do not see where there is any difference.

And therein lies your problem.

29 posted on 03/04/2014 7:54:32 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: luvbach1
The USSR's meddling in Cuba consisted of placing nuclear-tipped missiles there aimed at the United States. Hardly equivalent to any US "meddling" in Ukraine.

You're absolutely correct about that! No argument from me. But what matters is not how you or I see the situation. What matters is how the Russians see it.

We need to be aware of reality, certainly. But we must also be aware of the Russians' version of reality.

30 posted on 03/04/2014 8:01:32 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: ExCTCitizen

The only good thing I can say about Kucinich, is that he has a good looking wife. He can certainly be B. S. Crazy.


31 posted on 03/04/2014 8:10:33 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: mac_truck
The US State Dept. admits spending roughly $5 Billion on this type of direct meddling in Ukraine's internal affairs.

Oh, lovely. I don't think I have to repeat how I feel about State under Hillary and Johneffin'. More later and a BTT.

32 posted on 03/04/2014 8:36:58 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Tailgunner Joe

FOLLOW THE MONEY! National Endowment for Democracy has long been known as a CIA front organization. Guess who else funds with NED... Soros! So do ya think this was a slick little Obama/Soros operation to stick it to Putin while the Olympics were going on and he had to play nicey nice. A little pay back for Syria? Then Putin says I’ll be damned if I lose my bases in Crimea. Are we that stupid to think Putin would just walk away from Crimea? Then all we are left with from our brilliant “one move” strategy is to do the big indignant act. So the score is now: Obama zero Putin two.


33 posted on 03/04/2014 9:08:21 PM PST by DenverCossack
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ya Dennis explain this
Putin’s invasion. Within scarcely a week after deposing the crook. Well orchestrated effort.Invaders fully briefed wearing camoflaged unmarked uniforms units .Russian government media has opponents portrayed as Nazis miss interpreting gold armbands with a cyrillic letter S (svoboda) (freedom) claiming the english viewers they are swastikas.Camp followers here defending Putin actions. Heavy armored unit suddenly assembled and off loaded by ferry . Totally preplanned.

Move comes as a surprize ? (sarc)


34 posted on 03/04/2014 9:13:58 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: doc1019
He was redistricted out of Congress in 2012 and has been a Fox contributor. Harder to be heard when in private life.
35 posted on 03/04/2014 9:33:19 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: tet68
Kucinich is right. We had a hand in instigating the insurrection that toppled the Ukrainian regime.
36 posted on 03/04/2014 9:34:33 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

I agree too. Yanukovich was democratically elected, and his police faced daily incineration from Molotov cocktails and incitement from armed neo-Nazi protesters.


38 posted on 03/05/2014 12:24:50 AM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: yldstrk
I agree with him

I do too. I have no doubt that the CIA is fomenting this crap throughout the world. The problem is that the CIA is great at stirring stuff up, but incompetent in dealing with the aftermath.

It's also incompetent in picking its targets.

39 posted on 03/05/2014 1:16:24 AM PST by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: Red White and Blue patriot
Well, you’ll fit in nicely with the rest of the blame-America-first crowd here. You mean the crowd of compulsive neocon "patriots" in here has not whined to the mods and gotten all of them banned? Shame on you.
40 posted on 03/05/2014 3:12:35 AM PST by AK_47_7.62x39 (There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam. -- Geert Wilders)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, Kucinich is telling he truth about what really happened.

This in Ukraine was another screw up Obama style like the screw up in Egypt.

This has been a pattern.


41 posted on 03/05/2014 3:23:54 AM PST by dforest
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To: mac_truck

That is exactly how the guy I was listening to yesterday described what has happened.


42 posted on 03/05/2014 3:25:31 AM PST by dforest
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To: yldstrk

Well, who doesn’t know that supporting 65 pro-democracy and economic development agencies is morally equivalent to ...NO, morally inferior to ordering the killing of 100+ civilians, landing 20,000 unmarked troops and seizing airports, ports and public buildings? Of course it’s all America’s fault!

/S

Psst, the Ukrainains’ rejection of Yukun-whatver(SP) was due to him reneging on an agreement to sign an EU treaty and instead signing one with Russia; jailing his political opponent, the former PM; and ordering the shootings of political protestors. But it’s our ‘meddling’ that got them worked up? Get over yourself.


43 posted on 03/05/2014 3:30:19 AM PST by Justa
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This guy:

http://www.bajassociates.com/bajbio.html

He knows a little about geopolitics. He said this is exactly what has happened in Ukraine.


44 posted on 03/05/2014 3:32:06 AM PST by dforest
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He may be right. Just who or what is the US anymore?


45 posted on 03/05/2014 3:33:58 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Dennis Kucinich knows eastern Europe. One reason he has been marginalized and ridiculed is that he doesn't follow the globalist playbook. Remember....Kucinich was maneuvered out of the MoveOn endorsement because they hyped Obama as more progressive and anti-war.

Is there any doubt that the US is behind all of these "peaceful protests" that have toppled governments and left nothing but the destruction of civilization in their place? The only question is who stands to benefit from all of this.

Dennis Kucinich is far left, for sure. The ptb also dismiss the far right. In most ways the far left and the far right are closer to each other than they are to the muck in the middle, both parties.

Do I support Dennis Kucinich? You bet I do. When I encountered something that was an absolute need for veterans, he was on it and got it done. He was even on the phone from the floor of the HOR to me while this initiative was being passed.

And something else. Kucinich's district was dismantled with Republicans in charge of redistricting. It was split between mostly Akron and Toledo. It was a district that the 'pubs could've had when Kucinich stepped down. He was the only one who fought for jobs for Cleveland. Doesn't it tell you something that both dems and 'pubs are still in the game of destroying a decent man?

End of rant. Except for one PS: a lot of what saved Cleveland from being Newark or Detroit is stuff he put in place as mayor and in the HOR.

46 posted on 03/05/2014 3:52:29 AM PST by grania
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To: Justa

The ability of the “intervene in everything” to mindlessly regurgitate the talking points fed to them by the neocons is a marvel to watch.


47 posted on 03/05/2014 4:36:27 AM PST by AK_47_7.62x39 (There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam. -- Geert Wilders)
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To: grania

Ron Paul liked him and he was against the invasion of Iraq.

No further argument is needed for a wide swathe of freepers.


48 posted on 03/05/2014 4:41:56 AM PST by AK_47_7.62x39 (There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam. -- Geert Wilders)
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To: Justa

I know there were tensions over the EU agreement and Putin trying to lure them into some Asian economic set up. But I believe we set up the current crisis. And I am not the only one.

There have been news stories about the west funding the thing.


49 posted on 03/05/2014 4:43:42 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Russia's invasion of Ukraine was spurred by American behind-the-scenes actions

Putin hasn't invaded anyone. You'll know it if or when he does.

50 posted on 03/05/2014 4:49:19 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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