Posted on 03/06/2014 10:35:35 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
A knowledgeable Ukrainian source in Stanford, Calif, told WND the “real power in Kiev and much of Western Ukraine today belongs to several rival neo-Nazi factions whose masked, well-armed adherents are busy looting abandoned properties and shaking down businesses for money to support their ‘revolution.’”
“They have already made territorial demands to each of the countries bordering the Ukraine, including the NATO members Poland, Hungary and Romania, and they have declared their intention to acquire nuclear weapons,” the source said.
Other European neo-Nazi parties, such as Jobbik in Hungary and the Golden Dawn in Greece, are “amateurs compared to Ukraine’s Svoboda and Right Sector,” said the source.
The Ukrainian groups use “the same slogans and the same Nazi symbols they used in 1941-1944, when they butchered 200,000-300,000 Poles and Jews, and in 1945-1954, when they butchered in the most gruesome ways imaginable tens of thousands of peaceful Ukrainian citizens whose only crime was to refuse joining their ranks.”
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/russians-u-s-siding-with-neo-nazis/#xFA3FH1mjdwiZEM5.99
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The Svboda and Communist parties have about the same representation in their Parliament (~10%). Tell me again why we should be particularly worried about one over the other?
Here’s an old article from 2005 about them: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20050103&slug=ukraine03
I second what you said. RT News is beating the drum that the pro-Western Ukrainians are all ‘ultra-nationalists’ (as if most Russians are not) or ‘fascists’ which is a very emotional term for Russians and it’s typically used to describe ANYONE that the Russian government/media doesn’t like. For instance: Obama is being called a ‘fascist’ in the Russian media right now.
It’s also noteworthy that while the Russian language media is bashing on alleged ‘Nazis’ they’re also not missing a beat by bashing on Western Jews for ‘meddling’ in Ukraine.
Trivia: A couple English lanuguage Russian sites are referring to the pro-West Ukrainians as “EUkrainians” - which I find pretty clever!
I’m not sure I buy this narrative. Russia is a master in the art of propaganda.
How does rebuilding Russian empire and Russian power help us?
How does Ukraine splintering off and being alone, hurt us in our future dealings with our old enemy, Russia?
Maybe you knee jerk ‘50’s Cold Warriors should take a look here:
Ukranian fascists are far more than a pale shadow of their pro-nazi WWII “freedom fighters” and Putin is not Stalin. I’m laying 10 to 1 that half of the readers here will turn “Putin is not Stalin” into “this guy is a paid agent of the FSB” Take yer ding dong blinders off and stop living in the past.
>>How does rebuilding Russian empire and Russian power help us?
>>How does Ukraine splintering off and being alone, hurt us in our future dealings with our old enemy, Russia?
This is all about NATO moving ABM systems closer to Russia. Kruschev tried something similar with ICBMs in Cuba and we went apoplectic for good reason. If you don’t subscribe to the “spheres of influence” doctrine then you shouldn’t be too upset if North Korea or China move ABMs or ICBMs to Mexico. Believe me, if anything like that were contemplated by Mexico, you’d see a regime change brought about by CIA funded and propelled Mexican “patriots” in a heartbeat.
We have a cartoon picture of the game board and its players. Nothing is as it seems. Invisible hands run all through contemporary geopolitics and our interpretive frameworks belong in the carnival.
No, I don’t have a cartoon view of American interests, but you do seem to have a strong leaning to anti-American, pro-Soviet interests.
It is why you ignored the questions.
How does rebuilding Russian empire and Russian power help us?
How does Ukraine splintering off and being alone, hurt us in our future dealings with our old enemy, Russia?
>>No, I don’t have a cartoon view of American interests, but you do seem to have a strong leaning to anti-American, pro-Soviet interests.
No, I have a strong leaning against destabilizing the region and helping a fascist resurgence in the Ukariane. Here’s a link about this that you probably won’t bother to visit:
http://tinyurl.com/lhg7bnt
>>It is why you ignored the questions.
>>How does rebuilding Russian empire and Russian power help us?
The USA has suffered far far more harm from it’s internal political warfare than from ANYTHING the Ruskies can do to us. Your question is worthless because it fails to admit to the failures of the GOP to dominate the political scene in this country. I’ll retort by asking you how the sam hell losing elections helps us? How does losing control of the media help us? How does losing control of academia help us? How does losing control of our military and intel agencies help us. How does losing control of our financial institutions help us. As far as the “what helps us” battle goes, you are fighting a side show. Leave Russia to her sphere of influence. Hell we can’t even control our own domestic sphere of influence. You want to conduct business with no inventory. Our foreign policy is an intellectual Ponzi scheme.
Wow, you really are avoiding the questions.
How does rebuilding Russian empire and Russian power help us?
How does Ukraine splintering off and being alone, hurt us in our future dealings with our old enemy, Russia?
Wow, you really are avoiding the questions.
How does rebuilding Russian empire and Russian power help us?
How does Ukraine splintering off and being alone, hurt us in our future dealings with our old enemy, Russia?
Try to get the point- we are beyond help. Got it? Nothing we can do will help us. Nothing. The game has been lost by conservatives as they are presently constituted. I’m serious. That’s my answer. Get used to it.
What we are doing is arm waving and waiting to become fully obsolete. We have a glimmer of hope IF AND ONLY IF we stop rubber stamping Wall St.’s whims, put bankers in jail, abolish the Fed, call unanimously and loudly for Obama’s impeachment, stop doing business with the World Bank, the IMF and the BIS, repudiate all KKK and nazi elements with whom we associate (don’t be disingenuous on this point), repudiate Social Darwinism and begin to live authentic Christian values in a Christian manner, period. We screwed the pooch as “the Party of Lincoln” by not actively engaging in the struggle for integration. Don’t be disingenuous on this point.
My best buddy in college was a Goldwaterite YAF member (Young Americans for Freedom) and I still have his missive about the evils of race miscegenation in my memory. This was a mainstream conservative Republican youth group and it was racist, period. Meanwhile the commies were busing to Mississippi to battle the KKK Dixiecrats and register Blacks to vote. This is a stain on our party.
Republicans somehow managed to abandon their founding principles and allowed them to be exploited by soap box Marxists. Huge mistake. Stupid mistake. Republicans allowed the international banking mafia to print our money and then LOAN it to us for an interest charge! Unbelievable. How did that happen!? Unless you can answer that for me, this conversation is going nowhere because you don’t have the insight into history to understand how we got here a day late and a dollar short.
We gave the initiative to the Marxists across ALL cultural fronts while the modern electronic world sneaked up and bit us on the ass. Well, son, this is the price you pay for being stupid, for losing your way, for keeping the 3rd world in economic bondage. Hell, Ho Chi Min read US history and thought the US would save him from French imperialism. Ha! Joke was on you Ho. And then it was on us as Viet Cong tanks drove into downtown Saigon in 1973.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident has been admitted to as a complete fabrication. Good grief! We DROVE Comrade Ho into the arms of Moscow and Beijing and freaking took over the job as imperialist leg breaker from the French. Eisenhower warned us all clearly and unequivocally to be wary of the “military-industrial complex” and we didn’t listen. We are going to get what we deserve unless we do what needs to be done and dismantle crooked Wall St. banking permanently. Over and out.
Rambling gibberish.
Rambling gibberish.
I rest my case.
You never could answer the question of how supporting the growth and aggressiveness of Russian empire helps America.
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