Posted on 03/10/2014 3:04:40 PM PDT by neverdem
Ignore the anti-competition NIMBYs, and finish the Keystone XL pipeline instead. Real estate values are dead for the next few decades anyway (see tagline).
Gazprom will soon be broke, high production cost and competition from Norway http://rt.com/business/russia-norway-gaz-europe-178/ and ME
check OGZPY for Gazprom http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=OGZPY and RTS for Moscow index http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=RTS.RS for the last few weeks.
and some graphs from a few days ago
http://www.bloomberg.com/infographics/2014-03-07/putin-debt-to-equity-hit-on-crimea-seizure.html
Thanks AdmSmith and neverdem.
I can testify to the fact that BURNING it sure is!
How many of those would ALSO be in expensive?
And monkeys might fly out of my butt.
President Palin (or Secretary of Energy Palin) would though.
Small ones cost about the same as erecting a windmill without the added cost of having to be rebuilt every 10 years like a windmill. 70+ years looks to be about the average lifespan of a well maintained hydro generator.
Even a small single generator dam with 10 feet of head produces the same amount of energy as windmill can produce at peak efficiency. A dam on the other hand produces that electricity all day every day 365 days per year. Larger dams produce more electricity than entire wind farms. The cost of hydro averages about 0.7¢ per kwh which is really about as good as it gets. Hydro also has the added benefit of actually producing wealth in the form of high dollar lakefront property, water recreation and fishing revenues.
The drawback of hydro is that it isn’t portable but much of the country already has it available but unused. Where it isn’t available coal and gas will still be available.
Overall I’d say we’re probably spending more on windmills right now than hydro would cost in the long term but wind mills are going to continue to cost year after year with ever growing costs.
There’s a reason the greenies are hot to tear out all the dams in the country.
What if the dispute escalates and Moscow stops the flow of gas? Experts have said Western Europe would probably not be that badly affected. "That wouldn't affect the EU very much," said Jonas Grätz of the Center for Security Studies (CSS) in Zurich, adding a cut would hit eastern nations like Hungary and Bulgaria more than states in Western Europe, where the gas reservoirs are still filled to about 60 percent - enough for up to four months."There's a glut on the international gas markets," said Claudia Kemfert, an energy expert with the Berlin-based German Institute for Economic Research (DIW). But Kemfert said in the long run, Europe is insufficiently prepared to purchase a third of the gas it needs elsewhere. "That is true in particular for countries in Southeast Europe that buy large amounts of gas in Russia."
If transit via Ukraine were blocked, Russian gas could instead flow through the Nord Stream Pipeline that takes natural gas from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea. Then, there's the Yamal-Europe natural gas pipeline which runs across Belarus and Poland to Germany. Should Russia halt all shipments, tankers could bring liquid natural gas to Europe from the Middle East. But Germany, for one, doesn't have a terminal to unload such tankers. In case of a longer disruption, gas buyers could also turn to Algeria and Norway.
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Russia is not likely to cut gas supplies to Europe. "Russia heavily depends on energy deliveries to Europe," Kemfert said. "Some 60 percent of Russia's state income is due to oil, gas and coal sales - and a large part of that goes to Europe."
Grätz added that "a different approach was needed to be taken to Russia's dependence on the European market." One possibility, he said, would be the strict implementation of European market rules on all dealings with Gazprom. Russian President Vladimir Putin has often used the energy giant to serve his own geopolitical goals. If European countries cut imports of Russian energy, it would negatively impact Gazprom as 60 percent of its revenue comes from the European market.
"When Gazprom has problems then Putin will also have problems because he needs the company in order to achieve projects in Russia, such as Sochi, and the supply of gas to rural regions as well as using the company as a means to conduct foreign policy," Grätz said.
The timing might be just right for Europe to cut its dependence on Russian gas, and for America to reach for self-reliance in energy.
European Union officials are reviewing an antitrust complaint against OAO Gazprom (OGZD), the Russian state-controlled gas company, as they weigh how the two-year-old dispute will affect the conflict in Ukraine, according to people familiar with the case.
The EU suspects Gazprom of abusing its market power to impose unfair prices in central and eastern Europe by linking what it charges for long-term natural gas contracts to oil prices. The commission is also concerned the Russian company may have prevented gas from being traded between countries and hindered the customers from find new energy providers.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-05/gazprom-complaint-said-to-be-reviewed-by-eu-amid-ukraine-crisis.html
Unleash Europe’s antitrust case against Gazprom. A report is due in the coming weeks, with the potential to levy billion-dollar fines and trigger customer lawsuits against the gas giant on which so much of Putin patronage is founded. Embargo Gazprom LNG tankers (it recently bought its fifth) from Western ports.
Withdraw Europe’s support for pipelines Mr. Putin wants to build. These, by way of the Black Sea and the Baltic Sea, aim to reduce Ukraine’s leverage as transit path for gas exports that generate much of his regime’s income. Mr. Putin might like to shut off the gas but he can’t. He needs the money.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304815004579418841727205308
Sounds like a lot of these dams are quite small - merely enough juice for a single home or farm.
10 feet of head only tells us the drop; not the volume.
I have 12’ of drop across my property; but only about 1 foot is usable; flowing from the Lake of Death...
Obviously you are utterly and completely clueless but I’m guessing its deliberate.
The smallest of them would power thousands of homes.
Guess all you want, but not very much information was given here: A year or so back the DOE produced a list of some 800 dams that could be effective power generators.
Oh???
Go away and don’t post your stupidity to me any more.
I’m not going to argue with a child who behaves like a liberal simpleton.
You’re debating an engineering question — an issue which can be resolved by facts and mathematical modeling. There’s no reason to resort to personal attacks. Political leanings (assumed or actual) have nothing to do with it.
In the particular case mentioned by Elsie, in her just previous post, Elsie is correct. The site she linked to provides a “Hydropower Equation” (click on the link, within the site). If you plug in the head, the flow rate, and an efficiency factor (0.5 is a good estimate); you’ll be able to calculate the output of any hydro electric setup (setting aside a lot of possible complexities that arise in some of the larger setups). Ten ft. of head, and 1,000 gpm through a turbine/generator with a 0.5 efficiency does indeed yield 1 kW output.
I’m not really concerned with arguing with children. I mentioned a minimal and like a child she ran with it and apparently you’re going to do the same.
You can both post to someone else till you quit using your sippy cup.
Give your head a shake, take a few deep breaths, and go back and actually read what I wrote. I hope you'll then realize that you had no call to attack me.
One of the best features of Freerepublic -- compared to many, many other Internet forums -- is the relative civility. While debates can, and often do become heated; the ad hominem is generally eschewed.
As for the hydro power vs. wind power debate -- I actually agree with much of what you said. Once you've reread my previous post, you'll see that I was focusing in on just one thing -- the micro-hydro setup Elsie referred to. You'll also notice that the issue was easily resolved, by the simple expediency of plugging numbers into a formula, and cranking out the answer. Perhaps, you were too steamed up about the rest of your debate with Elsie to see that, when you replied to me.
One would think that if a person cannot take a bit of extra information without feeling threatened...
Good plan. The Russia’s position as a raw material exporter is one of the factors driving its Soviet revanchism, as it puts the government in charge of the bulk of its economy, and relieves the pressure to attract foreign investment.
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