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Ukraine appeals to West as Crimea turns to Russia
Reuters ^ | March 11, 2014 | Andrew Osborn and Alastair Macdonald

Posted on 03/11/2014 2:48:17 PM PDT by Mariner

SEVASTOPOL/KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine's government appealed for Western help on Tuesday to stop Moscow annexing Crimea but the Black Sea peninsula, overrun by Russian troops, seemed fixed on a course that could formalize rule from Moscow within days.

With their own troops in Crimea effectively prisoners in their bases, the new authorities in Kiev painted a sorry picture of the military bequeathed them by the pro-Moscow president overthrown two weeks ago. They announced the raising of a new National Guard to be drawn from volunteers among veterans.

The prime minister, heading for talks at the White House and United Nations, told parliament in Kiev he wanted the United States and Britain, as guarantors of a 1994 treaty that saw Ukraine give up its Soviet nuclear weapons, to intervene both diplomatically and militarily to fend off Russian "aggression".

But despite NATO reconnaissance aircraft patrolling the Polish and Romanian borders and U.S. naval forces preparing for exercises in the Black Sea, Western powers have made clear that, as when ex-Soviet Georgia lost territory in fighting in 2008, they have no appetite for risking turning the worst East-West crisis since the Cold War into a military conflict with Moscow.

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To: Mariner; Marguerite
"Ukraine's PM, heading for talks at the White House and United Nations wants the US and Britain, to intervene both diplomatically and militarily to fend off Russian "aggression".

Party's over!..these guys want to go home now and let the rest of the world pick up their mess! Sounds like have no intentions of finishing what they started....they poked the Bear and now they want to claim Agreements bind us to them... they want us to put our military men on the line against Russia?.....I don't think so....


21 posted on 03/11/2014 5:05:10 PM PDT by caww
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
If a referendum for secession ever passes in Quebec, the PQ will demand a recount. I suspect most of British Canada would love to dump that millstone, and fast.

The last thing they want is to separate from the gravy train that is the rest of Canada. Quebec already has one of the most inhospitable business climates in the world. If it were an independent country it wouldn't have the rest of Canada to prop it up.

22 posted on 03/11/2014 5:05:18 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Mariner

Is the puppet government in Kiev willing to resign and go back to the international agreement that was negotiated and signed on February 21st?

Crimea river.


23 posted on 03/11/2014 5:08:13 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Then there is this they ‘all’ broke...

“The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances” 1994

......... a political agreement signed by Russia, America and United Kingdom one of the requirements was:

“Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.”

So now agreements are suppose to matter...they are all making rules as they go....period.


24 posted on 03/11/2014 5:10:47 PM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind

You’re absolutely right!


25 posted on 03/11/2014 5:12:16 PM PDT by caww
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To: SZonian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzpW3u8XR6s


26 posted on 03/11/2014 5:26:09 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Mariner

I don’t want one American serviceman’s life put at risk for one moment at the orders of Obastard. Not one more life.


27 posted on 03/11/2014 5:30:41 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: VanDeKoik
“The prime minister, heading for talks at the White House and United Nations, told parliament in Kiev he wanted the United States and Britain, as guarantors of a 1994 treaty that saw Ukraine give up its Soviet nuclear weapons, to intervene both diplomatically and militarily to fend off Russian “aggression”.” Thanks, Clintoon.

One of the worst agreements ever signed.

28 posted on 03/11/2014 5:33:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Mariner
1} Soros

2)Nazis.

3) Everything's clear. A guy on the radio told me.

29 posted on 03/11/2014 5:36:33 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Mariner
Crimea has only been part of Ukraine for 50 years.

It was given to them by a Premier.

It can be taken away by a Premier.

They rejected Russia.

Tough crap.

30 posted on 03/11/2014 5:40:52 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: caww

“Sounds like have no intentions of finishing what they started....they poked the Bear and now they want to claim Agreements bind us to them... they want us to put our military men on the line against Russia?.....I don’t think so....”

As I wrote several days ago:

After the fall of Soviet Union, the US and NATO believed that they owned the world and acted accordingly, in a ruthless way, destabilizing the whole planet Earth.

And here they stumbled upon a tough bone they can’t chew at - V.Putin. They can’t make war to him - he has nukes. They can’t use the gimmick called UN against him, he has veto power in the Security Council. They can’t blackmail him, he keeps Europe by its energy needs’ balls and Boeing by its need of rare metals. They can’t ruin him, Russia’s soil and reserves being filthy rich, with only 10% of this richness exploited (until the freezed permafrost will melt). Wait until Putin industrialises Siberia.

Besides , he’s got on his side the rising economy stars India and China.
Those three can counterbalance NATO and US in the future. And the US cannot count on the EU, which reduced drastically the military budgets in the last 50 years and will go on the way of the other Union - the Soviets - by desintegrating. The national feelings in the European countries are back. People hate being bossed by the Brussels Comission, an unelected body. They want their countries back.


31 posted on 03/11/2014 5:47:00 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Ingtar
Thank you Ingtar

Yes, the Light Brigade met their fate in Crimea.

32 posted on 03/11/2014 6:38:11 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SeekAndFind
" I call it a portent of things to come"

Me too.

And we will eventually have to be ready to take up arms over it.

33 posted on 03/11/2014 6:39:50 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

“Yes, the Light Brigade met their fate in Crimea.”

“When the last survivors had trailed in, the remnants of the Light Brigade re-formed on a slope looking southward over Balaclava. The charge had lasted twenty minutes from the moment the trumpet sounded the advance to the return of the last survivor. Lord Cardigan rode forward. ‘Men, it is a mad-brained trick, but it is no fault of mine’, he said in his loud, hoarse voice. A voice answered, ‘Never mind, my lord; we are ready to go again’, and the roll-call began, punctuated by the melancholy sound of pistol-shots as the farriers went round despatching ruined horses.

Some 700 horsemen had charged down the valley, and 195 had returned. The 17th Lancers was reduced to thirty-seven troopers, the 13th Light Dragoons could muster only two officers and eight mounted men; 500 horses had been killed...”


34 posted on 03/11/2014 7:41:31 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
And they were the finest cavalry, with the finest horses and weapons, in the world.

Backed by the best gunnery and infantry in the world.

They were a little light in numbers and only moderately supplied, but had seen unrivaled success worldwide and most were veterans of previous wars.

35 posted on 03/11/2014 8:47:50 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro’ the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

Lord Tennyson - The charge of the Light Brigade


36 posted on 03/11/2014 9:15:13 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Mariner

“And they were the finest cavalry, with the finest horses and weapons, in the world”

Battle which survived in history, notwithstanding the tragic defeat.
In poetry, movies, famous painting and the still fashionable Balaclava, the ski mask.
Also the first “ war live” reporting using the telegraph.


37 posted on 03/11/2014 9:22:57 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

No. It wasn’t a treaty and it is not considered legally binding by anyone. It was characterized as at the time as a “memorandum.”

Even if we had a treaty that demanded we take military action here, no sane leader would do so.


38 posted on 03/12/2014 1:07:31 AM PDT by Monmouth78
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