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Hong Kong pilot spots debris in Vietnamese waters
CCTV English ^ | 03-11-2014 0617 bjt | James

Posted on 03/11/2014 3:51:38 PM PDT by tcrlaf

The Civil Aviation Department of Hong Kong has received a pilot’s report that a large amount of debris was spotted in Vietnamese waters.

The pilot, flying a Hong Kong to Kuala Lumpur plane, says the debris is located about 60 kilometres southeast of Vietnamese city Vung Tau, some 500 kilometers from where the Malaysian jetliner lost contact with air traffic controllers. The department has submitted the message to the relevant authorities.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 777; china; crash; iran; jrt; malaysia; mh370; oilrig; oilrigworker; vietman; vietnam; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/11/2014 3:51:38 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

That is the story that was circulating last night..nothing ever came of it


2 posted on 03/11/2014 3:54:57 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: tcrlaf

Time to get some U.S. Navy ships in there with their sonar to locate the pingers on the black boxes.


3 posted on 03/11/2014 3:55:37 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: tcrlaf

Interesting that it’s civil aviation and not military.


4 posted on 03/11/2014 3:55:57 PM PDT by tractorman (I never miss a chance to tweak a liberal.)
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To: tcrlaf

Impossible. How could the plane have then been on the radar 100 miles away in Indonesia if it crashed off the Vietnamese coast


5 posted on 03/11/2014 3:56:08 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

It could be cover for a plane that assumed the flight data of MH370. The identity/race of the passengers floating up will be the key as to which flight it was.


6 posted on 03/11/2014 3:59:09 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: tcrlaf

bkm for future reference.


7 posted on 03/11/2014 4:01:55 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: tcrlaf

Mark.......


8 posted on 03/11/2014 4:04:13 PM PDT by Chuck54 (Budget? Don't need one. Did I mention I got Bin Laden& Ghaddafi? ....and I'm awesome.)
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To: Yo-Yo
Time to get some U.S. Navy ships in there with their sonar to locate the pingers on the black boxes.

On whose dime do you propose to task our Navy with this?

9 posted on 03/11/2014 4:04:29 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: txhurl

I can’t believe people are still talking about mechanical failures. A mechanical failure does not cause the pilot to pull a 180, fly not towards the nearest airport, but to Indonesia, with the transponder off.

A hijacking does. Either that or the pilots were on drugs, and that possibility is at least given some credence by the two Australian bimbos CNN interviewed.


10 posted on 03/11/2014 4:04:30 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: tcrlaf

bfl


11 posted on 03/11/2014 4:05:31 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Viennacon

If you are an airline and own expensive planes, you install anti-idiot measures in your planes to keep those idiots from ditching your $300 million planes.

Including remote-control software and protocols.


12 posted on 03/11/2014 4:06:57 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: LucyT; WildHighlander57; maggief

FYI


13 posted on 03/11/2014 4:07:41 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Viennacon

Every time they show that Mary Schiavo woman I want to punch her in the face..she refuses to believe for a second that its terrorism or a hijacking, keeps on going back to mechanical failure which I think anyone with an IQ above 5 does not believe is possible..yet she keeps on focusing on that, and says “Just like TWA 800 was a mechanical failure” LOL that was a missile that hit the plane of course she won’t admit that either


14 posted on 03/11/2014 4:12:24 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: txhurl

If Muslims have shown the ability to build anything unassisted, it’s a better quality of idiot.


15 posted on 03/11/2014 4:12:41 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: hoosiermama; txhurl; LucyT; maggief

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3132157/posts?page=6#6

Interesting, but wouldn’t an inside job and lying to the ATCs do the same thing?

and there would be no need to down another jetliner so this one could swap places...


16 posted on 03/11/2014 4:12:46 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: txhurl
Including remote-control software and protocols.

And when that knowledge becomes public, you go out of business.

17 posted on 03/11/2014 4:15:00 PM PDT by xone
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To: tcrlaf; WildHighlander57; hoosiermama; Old Sarge; null and void; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; ...
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18 posted on 03/11/2014 4:16:20 PM PDT by LucyT (If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: Viennacon

Timing. They still haven’t found it, it had the gas to be both places over time.


19 posted on 03/11/2014 4:16:27 PM PDT by xone
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Another lezbo know-nothing


20 posted on 03/11/2014 4:17:36 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Sarah Barracuda

“Every time they show that Mary Schiavo woman I want to punch her in the face..”

This is the same woman who destroyed a bunch of budding airlines, and tens of thousands of job,s after the Valujet crash screeching “how unsafe the new airlines are because of OLD AIRPLANES!, OLD AIRPLANES!!”

Meanwhile, I was sitting in the bar at St. Louis Airport, looking out on the oldest fleet flying in America at that time, TWA’s. No mention of that by her, of course.

I consider her an uninformed union hack.


21 posted on 03/11/2014 4:18:34 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Yo-Yo

That’s on the east coast of So. Vietnam, off the famous beach resort city. If the plane had crashed there, Vietnamese radar would have picked it up much earlier when it entered their air space either near Phou Quoc Island, CaMau on the tip of the Delta or off of Saigon.

Story doesn’t make any sense.


22 posted on 03/11/2014 4:20:22 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: tcrlaf

She’s a hack, for her to say that TWA 800 was caused by a “Mechanical failure” shows what kind of person she is..but hey, I guess these hacks are all used to lying to people with a straight face, Obama is still claiming if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor


23 posted on 03/11/2014 4:20:57 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Sorry, Sarah, but TWA800 WAS a mechanical failure. Quit drinking conspiracy Kool-Aid.


24 posted on 03/11/2014 4:28:01 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: xone

I am starting to think it was hijacked, Malaysian Airlines realized it, and Boeing remote-controlled it over the Malacca Straight back to landing in Beijing. Then the Iranians trashed the on-board communications and it did crash in Vietnam waters.

But it was interesting to work this who-dun-it. We’ll know soon enough.


25 posted on 03/11/2014 4:28:53 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: tcrlaf

Vung Tau....yes, small restaurant on Back Beach....fried rice topped with an egg followed by fresh sliced pineapple flamed with rum. Also R&R center for VC


26 posted on 03/11/2014 4:35:36 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: Viennacon
I can’t believe people are still talking about mechanical failures. A mechanical failure does not cause the pilot to pull a 180, fly not towards the nearest airport, but to Indonesia, with the transponder off. A hijacking does.

Yep...it gets tiresome when folks don't make that connection. I've tried to follow this as close as I can and I'm leaning towards the co-pilot as the culprit or co-culprit.
27 posted on 03/11/2014 4:36:59 PM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: txhurl

The planes already mostly fly themselves. Our military has this capability I’m sure its possible for a 777.


28 posted on 03/11/2014 4:39:31 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: diogenes ghost
No, it wasn't. Many conspiracy theories are bunkum. This one is not.

Over 200 eyewitnesses saw a missile streak up to hit flight 800. Two of them happened to be in a Navy plane (National Guardsmen), and one of those happened to be a missile identification expert.

29 posted on 03/11/2014 4:40:36 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: diogenes ghost; Sarah Barracuda

Yes flight 800 was the only 747 in history to suffer from spontaneous combustion.


30 posted on 03/11/2014 4:40:57 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tcrlaf

Well now Sean Hannity will get over his hysteria on this.


31 posted on 03/11/2014 4:41:20 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Lazamataz

“Two of them happened to be in a Navy plane (National Guardsmen), and one of those happened to be a missile identification expert. “

before his competency can be established we must know his party affiliation.


32 posted on 03/11/2014 4:42:38 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Lazamataz

So who shot the missile and how did they keep it quiet?


33 posted on 03/11/2014 4:43:18 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Viennacon

>”How could the plane have then been on the radar 100 miles away in Indonesia if it crashed off the Vietnamese coast”<

The Radar signature you are referring to wasn’t the Plane’s Transponder signal.

The other Radar signature could have been anything.


34 posted on 03/11/2014 4:46:02 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: driftdiver
"Yes flight 800 was the only 747 in history to suffer from spontaneous combustion."

Are you really trying to say a tiny spark in a tank cannot bring down an aircraft in a catastrophic manner?

'Cuz I damned sure know better.

And eyewitnesses of fiery aerial explosions at night can be wildly wrong. Again, I know from personal experience.

35 posted on 03/11/2014 4:49:27 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I totally agree with you. There was no mid air breakup for any reason or they would have found tons of debris. The plane is intact unless it crashed somewhere far away from Malaysia. I also agree on TWA 800. It was shot down. There is a woman and her husband that I think were complicit at least in the cover-up.


36 posted on 03/11/2014 4:54:32 PM PDT by lwoodham (Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.)
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To: AppyPappy

We may never know the answers to those questions. They DIDN’T keep it quiet, the 200+ witnesses compiled their observations and it was (maybe still is) on a website who’s address escapes me now.

I also have a vivid recollection from that day. I happened to be home from work when the first reports went out that 800 went down. I happened to be watching TV, and I was fixated on the coverage. Within no more than 15 minutes — before ANYone speculated as to the cause — there was a cute little animation on MSNBC (back before it became a Propaganda channel of the White House) that showed it was a center fuel tank explosion, and how the lift from that explosion might make it seem like a missile streaking up.

The animation was watermarked, Property of the CIA.

That shocked me. How did they have this animation THAT quick and making THESE determinations and discounting a missile before it was even MENTIONED?

And why the CIA???? What the hell were they doing authoring animations to ‘explain’ airline incidents before the parts had even cooled down?

Later, the same animation was widely circulated, but now it had been rebranded: Property of the FAA.

That, alone, told me something heinous was up.


37 posted on 03/11/2014 4:55:57 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: diogenes ghost
And eyewitnesses of fiery aerial explosions at night can be wildly wrong.

Especially airborne National Guard missile identification experts.

38 posted on 03/11/2014 4:56:58 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

So there was a smoke trail from the sky to the ocean?
What a coincidence. The plane fell into the ocean.
I’m not buying the missile story due to Occams Razor. They were too high for a MANPAD and anything bigger would have attracted attention,


39 posted on 03/11/2014 4:57:49 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: lwoodham

The fact that TWO transponders were turned off(Something the 9/11 hijackers did as well) shows this was deliberate..Let’s say for the sake of argument that this was some catastrophic mechanical failure, it would have crashed in the sea of China, NOT flown hundreds of more miles in a totally different direction, if there a failure the plane could not fly..the plane flew, hundreds of miles, so someone took control of that plane, was the co-pilot allowing someone else to be in the cockpit and he took over the plane, who knows, but this was a deliberate takeover of the plane, only question is where is it now
TWA 800 got shot down by a missile..of course the media refuses to mention that because it doesn’t fit into their “Mechanical failure” theory..they will never admit it


40 posted on 03/11/2014 5:00:09 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: diogenes ghost
TWA800 WAS a mechanical failure. Quit drinking conspiracy Kool-Aid.

The US Navy has HUNDREDS of planes every day slamming on carrier decks --what if a spontaneous explosion happened on a CARRIER, loaded with fuel and ordnance..?

The US Navy rightfully wondered about that, and performed many test on their a/c after TWA800 --over 100 times then even dumped entire HIBACHIS full of briquettes, tossed flaming rags, etc into full tanks, 1/2 full tanks, almost empty tanks, and what did they get..?

Nada --not a single explosion.

Finally they very deliberately misted fuel of the same type in a high wind at a FLAMING RAG on a stake with video-cameras rolling --over 90% of the time the rag WENT OUT --it was extinguished.

Fiiiinally they did replicate a single explosion but after they measured the explosive energy produced they saw it would not so much as rupture the a/c's cargo container walls, to say nothing of blowing off the a/c's nose, which was the story.

Bomb or missile? That I don't know, but "spontaneous center fuel tank explosion"...?

It's ridiculous.

The Muslim war on the Imperialist West started well before 9-11, but the theme of Clinton's impending re-election was Peace & Prosperity --going gallivanting around the world in a search for punishing the responsible parties would have upset that.

Much as at Bengazi.

41 posted on 03/11/2014 5:04:15 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: txhurl

And, isn’t it time to use a datalink to store all that flight data AWAY from the plane? Why have to go look for the flight data recorders? Just open the file and have at it...


42 posted on 03/11/2014 5:11:19 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: AppyPappy
No, there was a rising smoke trail and exhaust from the ocean to the sky.

"I looked up because it sounded like thunder. I kept looking trying to figure out what it was. And that's when I saw a flare come off the water. The flare, trailing orange flame, shot up roughly at a 45 degree angle, then rapidly increased its angle of ascent. Then it appeared to strike something. This was the strangest thing I ever saw. Everyone calls it a 'missile theory,' but when you see something, you know what you see, and I didn't see a 'theory'." - Tom Dougherty, Flight 800 eye-witness; interviewed on Hard Copy, 1996

"We saw what appeared to be a flare going straight up. As a matter of fact, we thought it was from a boat. It was a bright reddish-orange color. Once it went into flames I knew that it wasn't a flare." - Lou Desyron, Flight 800 eye-witness; ABC World News Sunday; 07/21/96.

"It was what we would best describe as a boat flare, a reddish object going up. It went up and a few seconds later we saw an explosion in the sky. I can't say if it came off shore or on shore. At first, we thought it was a boat flare. It zigzagged a little. We thought it was strange. Then, several seconds later, we saw an eruption of fire. We never heard anything. We saw a fireball, and at that point we identified what was an aircraft. We could see it fluttering down. We were the third boat on Long Island to report the incident to the Coast Guard. It was something going up to it beforehand. Yes, I saw flaming debris go down. Something attracted us to the area before it exploded. And even my wife and my oldest daughter, we all were witnesses to it. There definitely was something there first before the aircraft went down." - Donald Eick, Flight 800 eye-witness; October 20, 1997; The Press-Enterprise, Riverside, CA.

And so on, more than 200 times.

43 posted on 03/11/2014 5:16:00 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: gaijin
going gallivanting around the world in a search for punishing the responsible parties would have upset that.

Much as at Bengazi.

Didn't finish that --Bengazi was almost a carbon-copy; a terrorist event more or less at the beginning of the final-stretch of the re-election of an incumbent liberal Democrat.

They'd claimed that AQ was on the ropes due to the fearless leadership of our Dear Leader, and Bengazi put the lie to that silly claim.

And so the great machine went into gear, sending all the King's Horses and Men hither and yon, arranging it so that a baaaad, dastardly Hollywood Jew --strike that-- bad Hollywood Koptic CHRISTIAN, had gone and slandered the wonderful name of Mohammed.

They called 5 film crews and set up kleig lights and arrested an innocent old guy wrapped in a towel in the middle of the night and paraded him before the world.

Hillary ADVERTISED her apoligy on the craziest parts of Pakistan, apparently in a bid to CALL ATTENTION to the arcane video and produce the type of wild violence that would support their claim of widespread protest and riots.

In both cases, TWA800 and Bengazi, we saw the operation of a Coverup Machine and the astounding lengths it would go in order to affect the outcome of a national election.

44 posted on 03/11/2014 5:17:26 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Lazamataz
Over 200 eyewitnesses saw a missile streak up to hit flight 800.

Along with about a dozen people CNN interviewed within hours after the crash who also saw a streak of light that left a jagged trail, from the ocean's surface to the plane itself.

I watched each and every one of those interviews that day.

(gee, I wonder what that jagged trail was ... lemme think, lemme think ..... SURFACE TO AIR MISSILE, THAT'S WHAT!)

45 posted on 03/11/2014 5:18:42 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: diogenes ghost
ITEM 35
A Hand grenade with a pin pull and cover with black electric tape drop in fuel tank -—this was used in laos in 69s
46 posted on 03/11/2014 5:20:26 PM PDT by ralph rotten
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To: Ben Hecks

“Vung Tau....yes, small restaurant on Back Beach....fried rice topped with an egg followed by fresh sliced pineapple flamed with rum. Also R&R center for VC”

Just looked at the area on Google Maps. The Bomb craters are unmistakable in the delta jungle.


47 posted on 03/11/2014 5:23:42 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: diogenes ghost

I’m saying the first 747 flew in 1969 and almost 1500 of them built and they are flying every day.

Flight is the only 747 to experience a “tiny spark in a fuel tank”. Could it happen, maybe.

Does the chance of that occurring outweigh the many eyewitnesses who saw a missile. Some of them trained and experience military people. Like the guy who flew choppers in the Army and saw numerous surface to air missiles.

Not a chance in hades.


48 posted on 03/11/2014 5:23:43 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: gaijin

“Nada —not a single explosion.”

Which any farm boy or lumberjack could have told them would be the case since Jet/Kerosene/Diesel (all closely combustion related) do not ‘explode’ like gasoline. Otherwise, every garage and mechanical work area for 100 years equipped with a parts washer would have been a ball of fire.

To say nothing of every oil/kerosene heater in existence...


49 posted on 03/11/2014 5:24:25 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Lazamataz

Ask yourself this. If that many people spotted it and reported it, why didn’t they find the shooter?

Occams Razor


50 posted on 03/11/2014 5:25:40 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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