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5-alarm fire burning at high-rise building on 4th Street near China Basin in San Francisco
abclocal.go.com ^ | 3/11/14

Posted on 03/11/2014 6:19:03 PM PDT by GSWarrior

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To: roadcat
Much higher than that.

I'm sure they can. Not sure what the SF Codes are but it also depends on the seismic area, The west coast being in Area 3 (the most severe), restricts the heights of wood framed construction.

61 posted on 03/11/2014 8:09:18 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: vette6387
Massive foundations and foundation to building connections that allow movement in a quake have kept our buildings standing.

After the 1989 earthquake, I was able to examine the damage and the repairs done to San Francisco City Hall. I managed a team responsible for removing computer equipment and wiring from the Data Center located in the basement. It had a tall ceiling. City Hall was raised on jacks, and large hydraulic shock absorbers were installed underneath. It was impressive seeing a full-city block-size building lowered onto these giant round shock absorbers. The engineers described how the building could move several feet in any direction during an earthquake, to absorb the shocks. A new floor was installed, raising the basement and giving it a short ceiling height, so the Data Center was moved to a new site. Sidewalks and stairs were adjusted so the building could move around.

62 posted on 03/11/2014 8:14:43 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Texaspeptoman

And the water tower with the now painted over sign.


63 posted on 03/11/2014 8:17:04 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

btt


64 posted on 03/11/2014 8:19:30 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: GSWarrior

My bet is that it’s an insurance job.


65 posted on 03/11/2014 8:21:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: vette6387

I don’t care about where it is. Or how many square feet it has. To call it a high rise, as in the headline, is a joke. The new State Farm complex in Texas is massive( 186 acres), but there isn’t a high rise in the bunch. Same for the Exxon complex (365 acres) being developed in Houston.


66 posted on 03/11/2014 8:24:14 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: gaijin

I think you’re right about that. All the class warfare by dirtbag OWSers...wouldn’t surprise me one bit that they set this fire.


67 posted on 03/11/2014 8:26:52 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: gaijin
Hard to find anyone to root for in Sodom.
68 posted on 03/11/2014 8:27:43 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: PapaNew

Remember the days of Embarcadero Fwy and the workingman’s district south of market? The aroma of Hills Brothers coffee roasting downtown?


69 posted on 03/11/2014 8:29:26 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: dragnet2

Not insurance. There is INSATIABLE appetite for housing in SF, especially in the China Basin / SOMA districts. These places would have been rented in nothing flat.


70 posted on 03/11/2014 8:31:18 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: exit82
"Green cladding" is probably Zip Sheathing. It's all the rage now for creating air-tight building envelopes to radically improve energy performance. You can get down to very few air-changes-per-hour (ACH) using Zip. Means far less infiltrated cold or hot air to have to heat or cool.


71 posted on 03/11/2014 8:38:46 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Doomonyou; exit82
Wood framed construction.

Wood framing on a high rise? Can’t imagine doing that.

It's San Francisco. Liquifaction.

Wood is flexible. Brick collapses in an earthquake.

They traded rigid for flexible. Earthquake for fire.

-PJ

72 posted on 03/11/2014 8:39:55 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Thanks, there is a one story wood framed medical building being built near me with this system. I did not know what it was called.


73 posted on 03/11/2014 8:43:40 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: PAR35

From what I see, the tallest building in Texas is The JP Morgan Chase Tower in Houston at 1,002 ft. The San Francisco Transbay Transit Tower (which is currently under construction) will be 1,070 ft when completed. But then Texas may still have structures that are taller but as yet unidentified because they don’t measure the piles of cow manure in Texas, right?


74 posted on 03/11/2014 8:44:36 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Political Junkie Too

Usually they compensate for earthquake movement in the foundation with shock absorbers and then with shear walls in the construction of the structure.

I just gave never seen a wood framed building more than about five stories high. And certainly not in a big city.

Guess I have to get out more.


75 posted on 03/11/2014 8:46:46 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Political Junkie Too

“Wood framing on a high rise? Can’t imagine doing that.

It’s San Francisco. Liquifaction.”

Right you are, and the 1989 earthquake dropped a bunch of three to five story stick-built apartment houses in the Marina, most of it built before WWII. The liquefaction of the subsoil coupled with these building having parking (and the associated multiple garage doors at ground level) brought them down. A number of them caught fire when the Natural Gas fuel was set off by water heater pilot lights and the like.


76 posted on 03/11/2014 8:50:56 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

You got a point there.

They should imprison the developers who could care less about infrastructure/water/roads etc, after they build their endless 3000 unit apartment buildings...


77 posted on 03/11/2014 8:53:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: vette6387

You can’t just build a building on top of fill these days. I imagine there are some LONG piles underneath all those buildings. I work in North San Jose and you hear the pile drivers running all over on North First Street and along 237.


78 posted on 03/11/2014 8:58:56 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Political Junkie Too
Liquifaction.

Only in the Marina district and a few other areas around the bay where it's fill. The 1906 fires were the result of broken water mains. back then everything was wood.

79 posted on 03/11/2014 9:02:40 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Doomonyou
So the stadium side of the bay is not fill but the marina side is? I do know that the marina side is fill from the remnants of abandoned sailing ships. Archaeologists had a field day finding old bottles and artifacts from 1880's era businesses built on the wharf.

And it's not just fill that causes it, it's the porousness of the rock. Both sides of the peninsula are on water.

What about the Mexico City earthquake? That wasn't fill, it was just dried lake bed porousness.

-PJ

80 posted on 03/11/2014 9:11:59 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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