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A Conservative Case for Marriage Equality and Zots
The Princeton Tory ^ | February 11, 2014 | Evan Draim

Posted on 03/13/2014 3:56:08 PM PDT by Aqua Buddhist

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To: Aqua Buddhist

Liar. You took a quote out of context. Try posting the entire two paragraphs Reagan made in connection with libertarianism.

R. Reagan was not a lib, nor did he favor what liberaltsrianism was.


41 posted on 03/13/2014 4:24:38 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Aqua Buddhist

Follows the homosexual agenda talking points word for word. If this guy is truly a “conservative Republican and Christian,” I’ll eat my hat.


42 posted on 03/13/2014 4:26:20 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Slings and Arrows
Does that include pedophiles and animal-violators?

Well, "all" seems pretty inclusive, don't you think?

Call me an old fuddy-duddy, but marriage is a gift from God, a holy union between a man and a woman. Any other unions or "partnerships" are not marriages.

43 posted on 03/13/2014 4:26:53 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Well put.


44 posted on 03/13/2014 4:26:58 PM PDT by luvie (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Try posting the entire two paragraphs

Dude, I had to abbreviate to "R. Reagan" because the sigline wouldn't hold the full name.

45 posted on 03/13/2014 4:28:02 PM PDT by Aqua Buddhist ("If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." --R. Reagan)
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To: Aqua Buddhist

If the food is human feces. What a load of CRAP.

“you are telling them that their relationship (and, by extension, their sexual orientation) is somehow inferior or “not as good” as your own.”

That’s exactly what we’re saying. How in the hell can you compare sodomy, which is an unnatural, biologically useless act, to the love of a husband and wife?

“Not only does the government lack the authority to make or enforce such a claim”

Then the government can have ZERO authority to make or enforce any such moral claim. The government cannot deny bestiality, incest, polygamy, necrophilia, heroin use, the list spirals on. These are all moral judgements.

I’m sick of this ‘separation of church and state’ garbage too. This concept has been so twisted and stretched that now a grieving family cannot put up a cross for their dead son on a roadside. It’s time somebody exposed this fraud.

Here’s a little history course. The Founding Fathers and early Americans based our legal structure largely on the British legal structure, by extension, the Magna Carta.

Allow me to quote.

“John, by the grace of God king of England, lord of Ireland, . . . to his archbishops, bishops, abbots, earls, barons, justiciars, foresters, sheriffs, reeves, ministers, and all his bailiffs and faithful men, greeting. Know that, through the inspiration of God, for the health of our soul and [the souls] of all our ancestors and heirs, for the honor of God and the exaltation of Holy Church, and for the betterment of our realm, by the counsel of our venerable fathers [11 named ecclesiastics], of our nobles [16 named nobles], and of our other faithful men”

So the basis of our legal system directly recognizes God as the inspiration of Civil Law. And not just any god, but the god of the Abrahamic tradition. Were some of the Founders deists, yes. That does not change the facts of the nation’s heritage and what the Founders sought to create.

They never referred to such a ‘separation’. Again, to people like Sheila Jackson Lee, this will go right over their heads, but there is a historical context to the Establishment Clause. That being that certain sects of Christianity were being ruthlessly persecuted across Europe during this period, where Protestants murdered Catholics, Catholics murdered Protestants, and there were a myriad of smaller denominations who were targeted for destruction by both.
The Founders saw this and recognized that the state’s enshrinement of a government church (i.e - the Church of England) was a detriment to the citizens and the faith itself. Persecution was rampant among the citizenry and corruption was rampant among the ecclesiastic and noble classes. But this did not mean they wanted a French style republic, where the revolution devolved into years of terror and desolation at the hands of a madman, where God was pushed out of society along with the priestly class.

This was not very complicated. The Founders clearly recognized that our rights come from our divine Creator, and most of them felt that that Creator was the entity who spoke to Moses and through Jesus Christ. The Establishment Clause was merely a clear declaration that the country was not to have a state church with tyrannical power to persecute others. It wasn’t a license for persecution by Jacobin malcontents! It wasn’t a call to expunge God from every area of our society. If that was what Washington wanted, then why the hell did he dismiss Lt. Frederick Gotthold Enslin from military service for the crime of attempted sodomy? Jefferson wanted him castrated! Sodomy is a very clearly Biblical crime. Its very name is a reference to the Biblical city of Sodom, destroyed by God for (among other reasons) the rampant sexual deviancy between men. Someone please explain this to me!

No Biblical statements on military dorms? No crosses in public places? No prayer for school children? Who the hell thinks the Founders intended this?! No, they would not approve same-sex marriage. They would have found the notion warrant for incarceration.

You can make all the damn appeals you like for this insane concept. By all means, appeal to the United Nations, appeal to the American Psychiatric Association, appeal to your ‘warm fuzzies’ for all I care. But DO NOT appeal to the Founders and the Constitution. It’s not in there. It never was.


46 posted on 03/13/2014 4:28:54 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Aqua Buddhist

I’d post it for you, but I’m in a smart phone and can’t cut and paste. But you know dam well what I asked you to do.

Trolls (probably a retread) like you, trying to link Reagan as a lib piss me off.

IBTZ


47 posted on 03/13/2014 4:33:39 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Night Hides Not

> Call me an old fuddy-duddy, but marriage is a gift
from God, a holy union between a man and a
woman. Any other unions or “partnerships” are not
marriages.

Hate speech! /s


48 posted on 03/13/2014 4:35:47 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: Aqua Buddhist
As Christians, we are taught to “love our neighbors as ourselves.” Since you most likely want the ability to gain the benefits of marriage for yourself and enter into an expression of commitment with the one whom you love, I believe it is inherently un-Christian to deny other adults that privilege. Also, we are all creatures of God- whether gay or straight- and God does not make mistakes

Your first problem is that you have taken one theological concept and are using it to buttress up a lot of ideas that anti-God, and Anti-Christ.

If you are going to wander off into the territory of using the Bible to support your position, first make sure you know what the Bible has to say IN ENTIRETY about that issue.

You cannot read one verse, one chapter of the Bible and base your position on that simple reading of the Bible.

The Bible is meant to be read in context, in it's entirety.

If you truly are interested in knowing what God thinks about Homosexuality, and thus Homo-Marriage, you'll need to start with Romans Chapter 1:18-32(Hint: it leaves no room for the imagination as to the utter sinfulness and evilness of those who are Homosexuals):

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Learn quickly my friend, or your lifetime here at FreeRepublic will be very short-lived.
49 posted on 03/13/2014 4:39:39 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Aqua Buddhist

“Dude?” IBTZ


50 posted on 03/13/2014 4:39:41 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Aqua Buddhist

BTW, there is no conservative case for Homo Marriage.

Only a very evil, selfish one.


51 posted on 03/13/2014 4:41:13 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Aqua Buddhist

Listen, you foil.

The ‘gay rights’ movement is steeped in ties to CPUSA and pedophile advocacy groups. Don’t believe me? Look up Harry Hay and the Mattachine Society


52 posted on 03/13/2014 4:41:31 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

May God have mercy, the faggotry are now invading FR! I wonder if they are Obama funded like the other scum and villainy who have infiltrated here?


53 posted on 03/13/2014 4:42:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Viennacon

I guess I must have missed that one. Is it before or after “Half-Blood Prince”?


54 posted on 03/13/2014 4:42:24 PM PDT by Aqua Buddhist ("If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." --R. Reagan)
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To: LUV W

Why thank you. I hope you are well.


55 posted on 03/13/2014 4:42:53 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Aqua Buddhist
Numerous studies have confirmed that gay parents are just as capable as heterosexual ones

This is a flat out lie.

Homosexual Parenting: Is It Time For Change? - AMERICAN COLLEGE OF PEDIATRICIANS

In summary, tradition and science agree that biological ties and dual gender parenting are protective for children.

New Study On Homosexual Parents Tops All Previous Research

The myths that children of homosexual parents are "no different" from other children and suffer "no harm" from being raised by homosexual parents have been shattered forever.

56 posted on 03/13/2014 4:43:15 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Fine as a frog’s hair. ;)


57 posted on 03/13/2014 4:44:02 PM PDT by luvie (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!)
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To: Aqua Buddhist

You ARE enjoying this, aren’t you?

It’s all fun and games. Until the lightning strikes.

Lolol


58 posted on 03/13/2014 4:45:39 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: TheOldLady

...yet another new sign-up trying to use the sodomite/gay marraige agenda to nudge FR a bit more to the left...


59 posted on 03/13/2014 4:45:39 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Aqua Buddhist

Are you denying its existence? Do a Google search, you moron. Harry Hay, (a pedophile) founded the Mattachine Society, the first homo ‘rights’ organizations. He was also a card carrying member of CPUSA.


60 posted on 03/13/2014 4:45:55 PM PDT by Viennacon
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