Missing MH370: Investigators Conclude Plane Was Hijacked, AP Reports

Malaysia Star ^ | Saturday March 15, 2014

[nickcarraway]

According to the Associated Press, a Malaysian government official has confirmed that investigators have concluded that one of the pilots or someone else with flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370.

The official, who is involved in the investigation, says no motive has been established and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken.

AP is reporting that the official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to brief the media. The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory: “It is conclusive.”

The aircraft’s communication with the ground was severed under one hour into its flight on March 8 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

[Yosemitest]

No ELTs, equals no crash of any type.
That aircraft landed somewhere.

[nuconvert]

“That aircraft landed somewhere.”

Maybe

Or ..... “The southern Indian Ocean, where investigators suspect missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 may have come down, is one place where a commercial airliner can crash without a ship spotting it, a radar plotting it or even a satellite picking it up.”
“The Indian Ocean, the world’s third largest, has an average depth of about 3600 metres”

I believe I read that the ELT is made to withstand depths of 600 meters.

We’ll have to wait & see.

[Yosemitest]

It takes more than three seconds to go from the surface of the water to 2,000 feet deep.
The ELT starts pinging as soon as it feels a sudden jar of a certain G-force or if it gets wet.
We would have a satellite location if it happened, even over the Indian Ocean.

[null and void]

They wouldn’t need a non-traceable plane for a local EMP or frank nuclear attack. There wouldn’t be any surviving serialized parts of an airframe that had a nuke go off in the cargo hold.

Whatever evil is planned, the planners expect that there could be enough of the 777 left to identify it.

Perhaps a MASSIVE nerve gas attack down the Bos-Wash corridor? Slam-a-dam at the AllSpark? Or?

[AdmSmith]

As Boeing is negotiation to legally sell spare parts to Iran, it is extremely unlikely that this was a way to get other spare parts.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/boeing-ge-seek-to-supply-iran-with-spare-plane-parts/

[Yosemitest]

Then (after all ... it's just speculation) they'd have to get the VX back, that Iraq sent to Syria.

No, I still believe they're after nukes, either the new ones from Iran, or the old ones under Pakistan's control.


The FACT is that the last know and verifiable position of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was on

Jet Route P628 Northwest to (http://skyvector.com/ on World Hi Chart) Port Blair (VOPB) Navaid

WHERE do you THINK they were going ~ on that Jet Route P628 Northwest bound?

[Yosemitest]

Interesting tidbit you linked to.
I just want to know WHERE Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 landed.

Any thoughts?

[Jim Noble]

Well, I THINK it landed in deep water.

I do WORRY about other potential destinations.

[AdmSmith]

Sorry, no idea.

[null and void]

Then (after all ... it's just speculation) they'd have to get the VX back, that Iraq sent to Syria.

huh? Who is "they" in this context? Are you saying Iraq is the destination?

No, I still believe they're after nukes, either the new ones from Iran, or the old ones under Pakistan's control.

It may well be, but a one way, nuke set off in the plane mission would not require an untraceable plane. One cannot read the serial numbers off of metal vapor.

The FACT is that the last know and verifiable position of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was on

Jet Route P628 Northwest to (http://skyvector.com/ on World Hi Chart) Port Blair (VOPB) Navaid

WHERE do you THINK they were going ~ on that Jet Route P628 Northwest bound?

The link opens a map centered on my current location, I am unable to answer your question as I don't have a clue what Jet Route P628 Northwest is.

[Big Horn]

The pilots names were suspect.

[Yosemitest]

"They" ~ is the Muslim Terrorists who will have control of that aircraft.

When you open up that map, enlarge it to the world view, then select "World Hi" and focus in on Malaysia and Indonesia to the west side,
and enlarge until you can read the numbers of the Jet Routes.
Find P628 and follow it northwest bound.

[null and void]

They were headed to Port Blair?

Why would “they” need to involve two more countries, Syria and Iraq in the plot?

Anyone skilled in the art of making pesticides can adapt those skills to WMD agents.

Its not like we haven’t trained tens of thousand of muslims in our chemical engineering schools since 9/11!

[Yosemitest]

"OVER" Port Blair Navaid is more accurate.

I just guessing ~ based on the known chemical weapons.

[null and void]

*shug* It's where P628 ends. Thought I'd pull your chain a little...

My guess, assuming it's not in the bottom of a muddy waterlogged crater in the Mekong delta, is it's in Pakistan.

Just because obama has been systematically murdering Pakistanis on Pakistani soil using drones controlled from US soil does not give Pakistan the right to nuke a drone control center on US soil.

[Yosemitest]

"Just because obama has been systematically murdering Pakistanis on Pakistani soil
using drones controlled from US soil
does not give Pakistan the right to
nuke a drone control center on US soil."

Interesting perspective.

Let's go off the deep end for a second and alternative version, even though the last known position of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 does NOT agree with this scenario.

" ... Interesting to note, this report says, was that Flight 370 was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama, this report continues, was that within 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”

Both Kennedy and Reynolds, this report says, were employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by US Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL’s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and has long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.

Upon GRU “assests” confirming that this “highly suspicious” cargo was aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on 8 March, this report notes, Moscow notified China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS) of their concerns and received “assurances” that “all measures” would be taken as to ascertain what was being kept so hidden when this aircraft entered into their airspace.

However, this report says, and as yet for still unknown reasons, the MSS was preparing to divert Flight 370 from its scheduled destination of Beijing to Haikou Meilan International Airport (HAK) located in Hainan Province (aka Hainan Island<).

Prior to entering the People Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands, this report continues, Flight 370 “significantly deviated” from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to Diego Garcia.

Critical to note about Flight 370’s flight deviation, GRU experts in this report say, was that it occurred during the same time period that all of the Spratly Island mobile phone communications operated by China Mobile were being jammed.

China Mobile, it should be noted, extended phone coverage in the Spratly Islands in 2011 so that PLA soldiers stationed on the islands, fishermen, and merchant vessels within the area would be able to use mobile services, and can also provide assistance during storms and sea rescues.

As to how the US Navy was able to divert Flight 370 to its Diego Garcia base, this report says, appears to have been accomplished remotely as this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft is equipped with a fly-by-wire (FBW) system that replaces the conventional manual flight controls of an aircraft with an electronic interface allowing it to be controlled like any drone-type aircraft.

However, this report notes, though this aircraft can be controlled remotely, the same cannot be said of its communication systems which can only be shut down manually; and in the case of Flight 370, its data reporting system was shut down at 1:07 a.m., followed by its transponder (which transmits location and altitude) which was shut down at 1:21 a.m.

First, I don't believe this story.
BUT with the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF running things, I wouldn't put it in the "NOT POSSIBLE" file just yet.

WHY go to the trouble ( ? )

of shipping "a 'highly suspicious' cargo load" across the ocean, just to load it on an aircraft and fly it to China,
when you could have flown it from its origination point,
or just ship it to China on the MV Maersk Alabama to start with?

[Yosemitest]

What do you think of this?

'Democracy is dead': 'Fanatical' missing airliner pilot pictured wearing political slogan T-shirt

It looks like an overall summary of what's been discussed here at Free Republic dot com.

But what is of use to me is this statement towards the end of his article.

" A satellite was able to pick up a ‘ping’ from the plane until 08:11 local time,
more than seven hours after it lost radar contact,
although it was unable to give a precise location.
Mr Razak went on to say that based on this new data, investigators ‘have determined the plane’s last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible corridors –
north from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan through to northern Thailand,
and south from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean. "

Now take that information and the arc ping map (important to view this map at this link for more details) along with the jet route map, and you can find possible links.
We find BISHKEK MANAS, Kyrgyzstan and Manas has a 13,800-foot long runway, built for Soviet bombers.

That led to some interesting possibilities.

[zipper]

No ELTs, equals no crash of any type. That aircraft landed somewhere.

I don't think that's conclusive. Air France 447 crashed into the ocean and wasn't found for nearly two years, by side-scan sonar, and only because they had a (relatively) good idea where it was, from the previously spotted floating debris field.

[zipper]

Automatic Dependent Surveillance - Broadcast would be okay, as long as you didn't give up primary radar.

A perfect example of WHY isan "Air Traffic Control Kill" in 1987 at Kunsan AB, ROK, when a controller had his primary turned down too low and had no "grass" on his D-Brite with a very low ceiling. He ASSUMED the flight of two F-16s on final, 1 mile in trail, had it's transponder code on the lead aircraft (which was actually on the second aircraft). After a flight of 2 F-16s landed and was rolling out on the runway to exit, he assumed he had enough space between them and the flight on final that he could launch another flight of 2 F-16s for takeoff. He put the flight of 2 F=16s into position and hold on the runway and was watching the flight on landing roll, waiting for them to exit the runway. Before the second one exited the runway, there was a loud explosion at the approach end of the runway where the 2 F-16s had been waiting for takeoff clearance. The lead F-16 of the flight of 2 on final had broken out of the low ceiling in a flair and not seen the 2 F-16s on the runway waiting for takeoff clearance, and was on RAPCON's frequency and not Towers'. Of course the second F-16 on final was sent around.

Interesting to hear that take on that 1993 accident at Kunsan. The pilot that survived (crashed into the departing F-16 that was at 88 knots) was promoted to O-6 in 2009, despite the fact that he was slammed for continuing that approach without sufficient cues in the accident report.

But back to topic, ADS is in widespread use now, one of the greatest aids to ATC ever. It's not used as a replacement for conventional transponders or radar. Everyone still has transponders with mode C. ADS enables ATC to keep continuous contact via SATCOM link overwater, like a normal transponder under radar coverage over land. Problem is, not quite everyone has it (I don't think Vietnam does, I need to check on that) so coverage is still a little spotty. So when I hear the media say they lost ACARS and lost their transponder, I wonder if they just weren't crossing the FIR into Vietnam airspace, ops normal, and the ADS disconnected (as it should). As for the transponder, at some point away from Malaysia the transponder will be out of range, the same as if it were turned off. Normally crews change the transponder code to a common code 30 minutes after the coast-out fix anyway, with the assumption that they're out of range.

CPDLC, similar take on that, gets pilots (except for backup) off the HF, no voice reports, best thing since squelch for the HF radios!

[AdmSmith]

I, like you, do not believe the story about Maersk. It is a typical Russian propaganda story. Unfortunately, it seems to have a tragic component. http://wtkr.com/2014/03/05/source-video-shows-maersk-alabama-contractors-on-the-town-before-deaths/

Live info without the crackpot theories http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2014/mar/17/mh370-crew-of-missing-plane-investigated-for-more-than-a-week-live-updates