Missing MH370: Investigators Conclude Plane Was Hijacked, AP Reports

Malaysia Star ^ | Saturday March 15, 2014

[saywhatagain]

You put alot of effort into your theory. Me? Am too simple too be imaginative. Just give me facts and then will draw a conclusion

But let me play. So in your theory, whats the purpose or motive? So far it would appear the hijacking has been a failure.

If they land at a secondary airport such as you illustrate, then what? Most likely can not fly it out due to lack of fuel and runway length? Again, what is to be gained?

Third question. You say you have time spent in the Air Force. First, thank you for your sacrifice. Now if the commander came in and said what was said at the presser. Gentlemen, we are looking for a missing aircraft. The suspected routes are . . . And he proceeds to give three diametrically opposite routes.

Am pretty sure, you and all around would look at each other, mumble snafu or fubar, shake your heads and say he does not have a clue, they are just guessing. Tell me i am wrong

[maggief]

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/mh370-high-degree-certainty-communication-system-was-disabled-malaysian-

KUALA LUMPUR - There is a “high degree of certainty” that the data reporting system of Malaysia Airlines MH370 was disabled just before it reached the east coast of peninular Malaysia, Prime Minister Najib Razak said on Saturday.

But he reiterated that the authorities are still investigating the possiblilty of a hijacking and what caused the plane to deviate.

“Based on new satellite information, we can say with a high degree of certainty that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) was disabled just before the aircraft reached the East coast of peninsular Malaysia. Shortly afterwards, near the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic control, the aircraft’s transponder was switched off,” Mr Najib told a press conference.

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[Southack]

You don’t understand radio triangulation.

The Malaysian PM gave two search areas because only one radio (satellite) received the signals from MH370.

With only one receiver, the emitter could be at either of two locations...in opposite directions from each other.

One location is near Kazakhstan. The other possibility is in the South Indian Ocean.

[Geosmth]

I have been saying all along that someone took that plane with passenger to Osama Bin Laden on the anniversary of his birth! Mark my word... you heard it here first! 10 March 1957 is the date his birth.

[tcrlaf]

Your post wasn’t directed at me, but I’ll defend mine.

Cocos Island runway is large enough for landing and takeoff, and lies outside of normal transit radar coverage, controlled by a totalitarian, backward country, that isn’t friendly to outsiders.
.
Tiny population of just a few hundred people, remote in the extreme, and no real communication with the outside world, let alone electricity.

Did an inexperienced hijacker/pilot lose control on landing at an airport with no electronic aids?

[saywhatagain]

Very good. Thank you. So, they still do not have clue where to look

In that span of distance, information from only 1 satellite? And how many exchange of signals in that period of time.

You are correct, I know nothing about radio triangulation.

[maggief]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/15/malaysian-pms-full-statement

Malaysian PM’s full statement
Read Najib Razak’s dramatic statement about missing flight MH370 in full

Saturday 15 March 2014 03.26 EDT

EXCERPT

Today, based on raw satellite data that was obtained from the satellite data service provider, we can confirm that the aircraft shown in the primary radar data was flight MH370. After much forensic work and deliberation, the FAA, NTSB, AAIB and the Malaysian authorities, working separately on the same data, concur.

According to the new data, the last confirmed communication between the plane and the satellite was at 8:11AM Malaysian time on Saturday 8th March. The investigations team is making further calculations which will indicate how far the aircraft may have flown after this last point of contact. This will help us to refine the search.

Due to the type of satellite data, we are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with the satellite.

However, based on this new data, the aviation authorities of Malaysia and their international counterparts have determined that the plane’s last communication with the satellite was in one of two possible corridors: a northern corridor stretching approximately from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to northern Thailand, or a southern corridor stretching approximately from Indonesia to the southern Indian ocean. The investigation team is working to further refine the information.

[KGeorge]

& here

PM Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak’s press statement on MH370

Read more at: http://english.astroawani.com/news/show/pm-datuk-seri-najib-tun-razaks-press-statement-on-mh370-31877

I think there’s a video, too.

Also an MAS (?) captain just gave a live statement “making a lot of sense”...looking for it on the site...

[Smokin' Joe]

Start with the possible.

Then look at the probable.

But do not discard anything until it is proven not to be the case. There are plenty of places to hide if the locals are willing.

You may be on to something, though.

Motive, means, opportunity...

[caww]

....”Which raises questions about which military or civil authorities, acting with or without the official sanction of their governments might be involved, should the aircraft have been successfully diverted?”......

Which, (though I haven’t followed this closely), would definitely be my thoughts if indeed it has landed somewhere....and what country would gain by holding 239 people hostage the most...and where would they put them if it landed? Assuming it did land...and not crashed somehwere.

[saywhatagain]

Ok. So you have an 8,000 foot runway. Average just less than 1 commercial flight per day. 600 inhabitants. Pretty sure if it landed there, we all would know by now. But in any case, the plane lands and then what?

[Yosemitest]

"So in your theory, whats the purpose or motive?
... If they land at a secondary airport such as you illustrate, then what?"

When dealing with Muslims, assume the worst. To motive to terrorist is to cripple "and/or" destroy the United States first and Israel second.

HOW?
Have you ever heard of an Electro Magnetic Pulse attack?
A stolen Boeing 777 is large enough to deliver even a crude nuclear weapon.
Do you think that IF they went through this much pre-planning, that they would NOT ALREADY have enough fuel waiting for them at the designated bare field to refuel the aircraft?

But most people cannot allow their minds to even conceive such EVIL.
But Muslim Extremists can.

This was a well planned terrorist operation,

and IF the mechanics were in on it and the ELT's were removed before the flight was boarded, at the first takeoff point,
THEN a crash/ditching is possible, as well as a shoot-down.

But with as much as we already know, this much planning does NOT go into the destruction of that aircraft.
They had other planned uses for this much preplanning,
and a repainting of that aircraft to appear like a different airline, to allow them entry into another country, under "false emergency conditions" to deliver some other type of "attack" is highly possible.

Now it's also possible that during their "STEALING OF" Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, they had a real emergency and a real accident,
and that would lead to another long set of responses.

"Now if the commander came in and said what was said at the presser.
Gentlemen, we are looking for a missing aircraft.
The suspected routes are . . .
And he proceeds to give three diametrically opposite routes.


Am [ I'm ] pretty sure, you and all around would look at each other, mumble snafu or fubar, shake your heads and say he does not have a clue, they are just guessing.

Tell me I am wrong"

You ARE wrong.
That's a normal military diversion tactic, meant to throw your enemy off target, and make yourself less predictable.

In a military situation,

you always put your mindset into the enemy's position, so as
to do the worst possible damage ... at the worst possible time,
... and at the worst possible location,
... in order "TO WIN" .

[maggief]

More on the home search ...

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/mh370-malaysian-police-search-home-missing-planes-pilot-official-2014031

KUALA LUMPUR (REUTERS) - Police began searching the home of the pilot of the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 on Saturday, after the country’s prime minister confirmed the plane was suspected to have been deliberately diverted, a senior police official told Reuters.

Police officers arrived at the home of the captain, 53-year-old Zaharie Ahmad Shah, on Saturday afternoon, shortly after Prime Minister Najib Razak ended his news conference.

[Yosemitest]

CORRECTION:

... When dealing with Muslims, assume the worst.
To The motive to terrorist is to cripple "and/or" destroy the United States first and Israel second. ...

[saywhatagain]

Thank you for sharing.

So the airplane was aloft for 6 hours and 30 minutes. Which is just about the same (slightly less) than the planned flight with their reserves.

So a simple person like me thinks, pilot incapacitation, (rapid decompression) (think quantas flight 30 oxygen bottle,) enough time and wherewithal to gain control of the airplane, re engage the autopilot and engage heading select and lose consciousness ( think helios flight 522) . Airplane drones on until running out of fuel and the rest is history.

If its a hijacking, obviously they do not have a clue after taking control

[Yosemitest]

To solve this mystery we need to focus more on the pilot and copilot.

I would want to know more about the computer history of the personal 777 flight simulator that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah self-built.

What was the most practiced route he flew with his simulator?

What was his most common practiced landing destination?

Does the government have that simulator to gleam all the history it can off of it ?

[KGeorge]

Saw that, but there was no link, so I wasn’t sure where the poster got his info.
About time.

Praying they get a clue.

[ronnie raygun]

Load it with explosives and send it right up into normal air traffic on its way to its final destination.

[Smokin' Joe]

Possible motives:

Hostages/plane for ransom.

Hostages for technical expertise or other knowledge (forced labor/interrogation).

Plane to re--purpose for terrorist or other (illegal) use.

Something in the cargo hold we don't know about.

This assumes a high probability of recovering the aircraft, occupants, and/or cargo intact.

A terrorist act would generally rely on the destruction of the aircraft, the occupants or contents, and possibly objects on the ground or at sea. (Find a naval group, declare an in-flight emergency and intention to ditch the aircraft, and go Kamikaze, for instance, or something more on the order of 9/11).

The latter was not done, as far as we know, so the intent may be to recover the aircraft and/or contents, successful or not.

That does not preclude later use as a terrorist device, and the wait, a paint job, and reprogramming to spoof towers into believing the aircraft was another plane would take time, time which would get people to let their guard down as they begin to assume the plane is lost.

By leaving the question open of whether or not the aircraft, passengers, and contents survived, eventually the assumption may well be that they were lost and not recovered.

For someone after an aircraft to re-purpose (assumed lost), or the knowledge of those on board (assumed lost), or the contents of the cargo hold (also assumed lost), it would be far, far better to let the world think the plane had gone down--no claims of "responsibility", no ransom.

Which would mean occupants not found to be useful would likely not survive very long.

[saywhatagain]

Very good. At least it has logic and flow to it.

And yes i can assume the worse. 9 years living several hundred miles from some of the worst atrocities muslims bestow on people, here in Thailand, Malay province.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts