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CURL: We completely overhauled American health care to insure 4.2 million people?
The Washington Times ^ | March 16, 2014 | Joseph Curl

Posted on 03/16/2014 4:24:19 PM PDT by jazusamo

The number bounced around for years — 46 million.

President Obama said it in August 2009: “I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”

He said it dozens more times, including in June 2013: “We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children.”

The Obama administration pumped the number with official reports. The White House Council of Economic Advisers said, “Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance.” The Census Bureau got in on the act, too, saying some 48 million Americans lacked health insurance.

It was official: Nearly 15 percent of America’s 313 million citizens had no coverage and were, as Mr. Obama loved to say over and over to hype the fear, “one illness away from financial ruin.”

So, he created Obamacare. The crux of the biscuit: The United States would completely change its entire health care system to make sure those 46 million got insured. Well, at least that’s what every rational American thought. If there are 46 million uninsured, and the president and Congress are overhauling the system, it must be to solve the whole problem — not just part of it.

But last week came word that with just 15 days left for people to enroll for federal coverage, just 4.2 million had. The math is simple: That’s just 9 percent of the supposedly 46 million uninsured.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obama; obamacare; obamalies

1 posted on 03/16/2014 4:24:19 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

4.2 mil.. Does that equal the number who have already lost their insurance beecause of obamadeathcare?

Of the 4.2 mil. how many are medicaid? How many are heavily subsidized?


2 posted on 03/16/2014 4:27:13 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
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To: jazusamo

More to purloin.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 4:28:25 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: jazusamo

The Left is spinning this as a stunning victory...”MILLIONS of people” have been enrolled! Whoopee!!! /s


4 posted on 03/16/2014 4:28:28 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: jazusamo
From the sounds of it the whole thing is dead. People are being advised to seek private health care insurance. Sounds like Obamacare as it stands will be equivalent to Medicaid.
5 posted on 03/16/2014 4:28:29 PM PDT by jetson
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To: jazusamo

All Obamacare has done is to place insurance further outside the reach of even more people. What good is health insurance if you can’t afford it?


6 posted on 03/16/2014 4:28:52 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: jazusamo
no... they did it to pave the way to single payer
7 posted on 03/16/2014 4:30:30 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: jetson

Is prison the answer? Maybe deportation. These anti-Free-America criminals need justice...serious Justice.


8 posted on 03/16/2014 4:30:37 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Graybeard58

I thought precisely that about the millions losing policies when reading the piece and it doesn’t say.


9 posted on 03/16/2014 4:31:16 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: jazusamo
CURL: We completely overhauled American health care — to insure 4.2 million people?

Maybe.

How many of those were already insured?
How many of those did they shuffle off to Medicaid?

10 posted on 03/16/2014 4:32:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Chode

I agree, this was a scam by the RATS from the start.


11 posted on 03/16/2014 4:34:26 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: Graybeard58

How many have paid vs just signed up. The fact that they signed up means nothing if they haven’t paid.


12 posted on 03/16/2014 4:35:11 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: jazusamo
As I recall we are the 27th richest country in the world. Australia is the richest PP.... or is Obamination talking GDP... he not being an economist etc etc? If O had any credibility, his contention here is a lie, but I repeat myself. I think O was counting the Illegals (22 million) plus a flood thereof), welfare recipients, uneducated, libtards and all others too damned lazy to work. I had to pay all of my own doctor's bills since I was 16, not 26!
13 posted on 03/16/2014 4:37:25 PM PDT by Tuketu (The Dim Platform is splinters bound by crazy glue., The Tea Party is the solvent)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
All Obamacare has done is to place insurance further outside the reach of even more people. What good is health insurance if you can’t afford it?

I remember the days before a $10,000 deductible and when the entire bill was the amount of a co-pay.

That was before the government decided they needed to regulate the cost of health care.

14 posted on 03/16/2014 4:44:25 PM PDT by Slyfox (When Jesus sees a momma holding her little baby, it reminds him of his own momma.)
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To: jazusamo

It wasn’t an overhaul, it was an ambush.


15 posted on 03/16/2014 4:44:50 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Jonty30
How many have paid vs just signed up. The fact that they signed up means nothing if they haven’t paid.

Extend it further - How many may make that first monthly payment, see the second payment due and say, "you mean I gotta pay for this every month" hell no! Further when they try using their obamadeathcare, they find that it pays zilch until they pay the first $5K to $10K.

obama keeps putting of the inevitable (unconstitutionally), he will be out of office when the real s### hits the fan.

I hope that republican ads pound on the fact that not one republican voted for this farce.

Increase our lead in the House, take over the Senate and impeach the low life bastard as soon as the newly elected members are sworn in in Jan,2015.

16 posted on 03/16/2014 4:46:24 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
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To: jazusamo
"— to insure 4.2 million people?

Not really.
It has ALWAYS been solely about acquiring more power and control over the American people.

17 posted on 03/16/2014 4:46:34 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Jonty30

Anyone with a working brain who knows the wastrel youth of today should have been able to figure out why Obamacare never had the slightest chance of working.

The people they are utterly dependent on are, by and large, the least likely to cough up any money to make it work. The whole idea is foreign to them.

ME? You want ME to PAY? WTF? Dude! I am a member of the entitlement generation! I don’t give money to other people, they give money to me!

Those with a moderate amount of earned disposable income are even less likely because they’re young, in good health, and figure if something catastrophic happens they’ll get treated at the emergency room. Anything less, they’ll self medicate or pay cash at a doc in the box.

If some serious disease crops up, they’ll sign up the day they head to the hospital. The only people signing up are those with preexisting conditions who know they will be getting much more in treatment than they will be paying in premiums — and they are very unlikely to be on time with their payments.

The other group are those that are that are so rich that they don’t plan to use Obamacare anyhow. If THEY get sick they go to private clinics, see highly paid specialists, and use their credit cards on the way out the door.


18 posted on 03/16/2014 4:46:58 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Jonty30

Who says you are an illegal alien FReeper and why?


19 posted on 03/16/2014 4:47:41 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
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To: jazusamo

“We completely overhauled American Healthcare to insure 4.2 million people”

Why yes we did.


20 posted on 03/16/2014 4:51:31 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: jazusamo
100%
21 posted on 03/16/2014 4:55:21 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: jazusamo

Obama — we had to destroy it to save it.


22 posted on 03/16/2014 5:06:53 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Jonty30

Had a doc appointment the other day and he gave me a stat I hadn’t heard yet. In California millions have signed up and most even paid their first months premium. 90 something percent didn’t make the 2nd payment. No clue where he got that number but he is a pretty smart, knowledgeable guy.


23 posted on 03/16/2014 5:07:47 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Graybeard58

See my post #23. Heard that Thursday.


24 posted on 03/16/2014 5:09:08 PM PDT by sheana
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To: jazusamo

the original number - btween 15-30 million - begs the same question? and it was asked in a loud shouting voice then!


25 posted on 03/16/2014 5:13:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Does this mean, as implied that 100% of the 4 million people who signed up for Osuckcare were the previously uninsured? Or are most of them people who lost their insurance because of Ocrapocare, or people who had insurance but discovered it can be converted to “free”?


26 posted on 03/16/2014 5:14:35 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: dsrtsage

They sure as hell did “overhaul” the health care in America and now they have a train wreck on their hands with no good way to fix it.


27 posted on 03/16/2014 5:20:00 PM PDT by DaveA37
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To: sheana
Yep, people will not voluntarily continue to pay for garbage month after month. Only the free loaders who get medicaid will be content. People who have never been insured before haven't a clue what "deductible" or "co pay" means.
28 posted on 03/16/2014 5:23:05 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 13: 33)
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To: TigersEye
How many of those were already insured? How many of those did they shuffle off to Medicaid?

How many of the 4.2 million enrollees (that is all the 4.2 million represents - enrollees, not insured people), actually made a purchase and paid the first premium?

29 posted on 03/16/2014 5:31:20 PM PDT by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: jazusamo
Last 'graph of the article:Amen!

But me must always remember the real reason for nobamacare.

30 posted on 03/16/2014 5:35:06 PM PDT by upchuck (South Carolina Representative Trey Gowdy for Speaker of the House!!!)
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To: Go Gordon

Yep, that too. That 4.2 million figure (which is pathetic anyway) would sure be whittled down if we could see the real numbers behind it. The 0bamacrats are all liars.


31 posted on 03/16/2014 5:37:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: jazusamo

No, we overhauled the healthcare system to put insurance companies out of business and to empower the us federal government with complete control over the lives of formerly free Americans.

Funny how people can’t keep their eye on the ball, and that’s why we lost.


32 posted on 03/16/2014 5:41:21 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Graybeard58

“what deductible or co-pay means”

That is the sad truth. We are a self-insured company. It always amazes me that people think that if they pay the premium...everything is paid for. It also amazes me that they consider our very low deductible and copay (in today’s world) outrageous. Add that to the fact that the company pays the bulk of their premiums.

It leaves me shaking my head. And wanting to say...If you can find better and cheaper..rock on fool.


33 posted on 03/16/2014 5:51:46 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Graybeard58

most of the people who have enrolled lost coverage they previously had.

Very few people who had no coverage before have signed up.


34 posted on 03/16/2014 6:02:28 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

quote “What’s more, it turns out many of those signing up to the program already had insurance. “Few uninsured Americans are gaining coverage under Obamacare,” CNN reported in early March. Just 27 percent of the enrollees were previously uninsured, according to a survey conducted in February by McKinsey & Co.”

um... so if only 27% of the 4 million are people who didn’t have insurance before... that means we did all this to give only 1 million people access to insurance!

wow


35 posted on 03/16/2014 6:18:37 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo :" It wasn’t an overhaul, it was an ambush."

I call Bull $h!t !! It was criminal : " Bait and Switch "
If you like your doctor , you can keep your doctor "
If you like your healthplan, you can keep your healthplan"
If you like your hospital, you can keep your hospital "
or as Nazi Pelousey said :" Embrace the suck !! "

36 posted on 03/16/2014 6:23:01 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: jazusamo
“We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children.” - Obama

This above is a lie too. No different than, 'You can keep your doctor if you like your doctor.'

Most of the 46 million were happy with the free medical care offer by emergency rooms all over the United States.

Here's how it worked... Person walks in with runny nose and a slight fever. Doctor in Emergency room see patient, gives a prescription for cold medicine, charges the guy $8,000 for the visit ( YES, EIGHT THOUSAND dollars) and the hospital writes it off their taxes. This was inner city medical care - NO COST, NO PREMIUMS, NO INSURANCE FORMS, NO HASSLE. ALL FREE.

THAT system could have been reformed easily to give better health care to the poor at a cheaper cost for taxpayers. But Dems were in a big fat hurry... and they're stupid...

37 posted on 03/16/2014 6:32:41 PM PDT by GOPJ (From a bellwether to an "oh-whateverrrr" in less than a single news cycle. -freeper Fightin Whitey)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You don’t seem to get it. The purpose of Obamacare is to drive the insurance companies out of business so the Democrats can step in and take over.


38 posted on 03/16/2014 6:32:43 PM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: Frank_2001
The Left is spinning this as a stunning victory...”MILLIONS of people” have been enrolled! Whoopee!!! /s

Dems neglect to mention there are fines for NOT signing up AND the IRS is the collection agency. Details that the MSM leaves out too...

39 posted on 03/16/2014 6:34:19 PM PDT by GOPJ (From a bellwether to an "oh-whateverrrr" in less than a single news cycle. -freeper Fightin Whitey)
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To: Graybeard58; jazusamo

That 4.2 million looks like “new” Medicaid plus the 26 year old “kids” who qualify for inclusion on their parent’s policies.

Here in Washington state, our reporting agency breaks the Medicaid number down into three parts.

I’ll guess the same Medicaid procedure is followed nationally:

(1) Medicaid Renewals
(2) Previously Eligible - First Time Applicants
(3) Now Eligible Because Of New Medicaid Rules

The Internet application form for paid policies has no check off box for “Previously Not Insured.”

As far as I know, it is impossible to determine that number using the data they have.

The author gets one thing absolutely right:

Almost no healthy kids will apply for insurance unless it is free!


40 posted on 03/16/2014 6:50:42 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

26 years old ... I was on my own, working and paying off my college loans at that age. I had a job that offered health insurance.

Why won’t we let kids grow up?


41 posted on 03/16/2014 7:02:18 PM PDT by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: libertylover

Oh, I get it. The Rats are already saying that people don’t want Obamacare repealed, they want it “fixed”. And guess who has the solution?


42 posted on 03/16/2014 7:30:57 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: jazusamo
"to insure 4.2 mil "---and uninsure about 10 mil.

vaudine

43 posted on 03/16/2014 8:26:07 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: jazusamo

To try to cover those 46 million we needed to destroy the rest of the health care system.

(Liberal Logic)


44 posted on 03/16/2014 8:28:05 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“All Obamacare has done is to place insurance further outside the reach of even more people. What good is health insurance if you can’t afford it?”

Exactly and the policies are crap.


45 posted on 03/16/2014 8:29:05 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Cloverfarm

RE: “Why won’t we let kids grow up?”

Too dangerous.

They might become Conservatives.

Think of the heartache!


46 posted on 03/16/2014 10:11:09 PM PDT by zeestephen
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