btw, I dont take intelligent discussion as a flame war; intelligent discussion is a good way to get all ideas properly vetted and developed.
This isn’t America. I don’t expect some people to get it. But, this isn’t America. It is America in name only (AINA). The old and original America has metamorphasized into a hideous ugly beast. See my post #36.
Also, anytime a country goes through a revolution, or civil war, the result is that it becomes a new country - for better or worse. The name may or may not change, but it will be different, usually radically different.
Also, the process of what lead up to the conflict could be as a result of a change in the government of the country where the people needed to resist. Just like Germany was a different Germany before Hitler, during Hitler, and after Hitler. They could have just as easily had changed the name because it was a different country, with a different “constitution”, each time during those phases. They may have wanted to keep the name due to an emotional attachment, or to use the name to create a patriotic fervor. “For the fatherland.” Resistance to Hitlers Nazi Germany was a correct behaviour.
For this specific reason and definition, I can say correctly say, that “America” is toast.
America was an entity created on paper - the constitution. That entity is no longer valid.
I believe it is important to realize what I am pointing out. Then way we have an understanding of the proper methods to deal with the hideous fed beast.
I dont disagree in principle with what most of you are saying. I just want to make sure we understand it as fully as we can. So we can make smart decisions. The hideous fed beast wants to create an emotional fervor. They like that. It is part of what they do to continually feed on its people. Get ready, but think it through.
NFHale uses Nazi Germany as a case study, there was appropriately “German Resistance, ..and a Dutch Resistance. And Yugoslavian Resistance. And Finnish Resistance. And yes, a French Resistance.” That entity of Hitlers Nazi Germany, is not the same as the previous Germany, nor is it the same as post Nazi Germany. They are different. The analogy, I believe, would be that in America right now, we are in a Nazi time period at the point where the Nazi’s are just getting started and are slowly turning up the heat.
I am also saying that some of the individual states get what I am saying. Read also the end of my post #32 discussing using the states. Some states will support the fed beast, and some wont. It will be easier for states to roll over and let the feds take complete control. But in some states, the government wont want to let the fed usurp their authority. You can see that happening now. These states will use their government power and “righteous” authority to keep the fed beast away. I believe we need to work with these states as much as possible, encourage them, help them. I believe as individuals we should always prepare just as everyone has described here.
For this reason, I agree with all of you. Be prepared. And, identify and work with the states that want to keep the fed beast away.
“I don’t expect some people to get it” you say? Oh listen to you! Wow! Aren’t you the smart guy! Not get it? If we do not agree with you we do not get it? Yeah, we FReepers you are writing those words to here are all to slow to ‘get’ your point is that it? Listen up noobie, trying to talk down to other FReepers isn’t looked at very well here, especially when it is coming from some n00b stating, “But this isn’t America, It is America in name only”. BULLSQUEEZE! It is still America, the greatest nation on God’s green earth, and always will be unless we allow ourselves to be over taken by the quitting surrender monkeys and their ilk. This old boy ain’t rollin’ over I can tell ya that!
Then by all means, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Go away. If you have nothing to offer but more boring "gloom despair and agony on me" defeatism and hand wringing, then by all means, find another country. I am getting sick and freaking tired of hearing my so-called countrymen, those that I defended for 11 years in the US Army, waving the surrender flag. It sickens me, in fact. If you have nothing to offer but more of the same ol' "America is finished" defeatism, then by all means, feel free to not say it...we have enough of that mindset already on this forum.
What we need are solutions. What we need are words of encouragement for you wavering so-called conservatives. If you have no stomach for a fight, if you have no dedication to the principles upon which our Republic was founded, if you have so little pride in yourself that you're willing to sit idly by while the tyrants control you like a puppet, then this quote is for you:
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
Does that make you mad? Does it upset you? Good...quit whining and start offering solutions.
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If there is a beast on this thread it's you,,,, the "pessimist beast". You've already proved to us involved in this thread that your the one that doesn't get it. And by the way,,,, you DO NOT speak for me in regards to "our children". Our, meaning my wife's and mine. Our daughters who are both home schooled, are quite capable of handling anything or anybody that gets in their way. They've got goals and they will occur right here in a free America.
Also, anytime a country goes through a revolution, or civil war, the result is that it becomes a new country - for better or worse. The name may or may not change, but it will be different, usually radically different.
You've thrown in the towel and in the same verse you anticipate a civil war. What country are you writing about first off? I suggest you remain on the subject of this thread which regards America and our own unique problems. We took care of business once before and we will again. You see,,,, most of us have faith in America and in the up-coming ballot box so hopefully the cartridge box won't be necessary. I believe the "Tea Party" has made great strides in orchestrating the results of the mid-terms which will merely change personal rather America. It was and always will be America and Obama is about to see change the he WON'T believe.
America was an entity created on paper - the constitution. That entity is no longer valid.
Your off the wall again. America was made by "we the people" who then devised the Constitution to replace displacements such as Obama who said that "You didn't make that". Having said that I must inquire under what set of laws do YOU live by?
I just want to make sure we understand it as fully as we can.
We the people understand,,,, what's your problem? May we be of assistance in any way, we sure hate to see folks in the dark.
Anyway the rest of your response was as about as clear as the Mississippi river after a severe rainstorm and I won't waste anymore time on it. Besides, my daughters just reloaded what looks like a couple thousand rounds of 45's and they are demanding that I take them to the local gin mill and buy them a couple of beers and a couple games of pool.
In conclusion may I suggest that, since you've already thrown in your towel, that you keep out of OUR (meaning the rest of us one this thread) way and concentrate on getting really real. Nuff said.