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Ukrainian Government Refuses To Remove Troops From Crimea, Prepares For War
Kyiv Post ^ | March 17, 2014

Posted on 03/17/2014 11:17:11 AM PDT by Strategy

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To: piytar

lol

Obama is a pansy, he wont do anything

Obama talks loudly and carries no stick.


61 posted on 03/17/2014 12:46:07 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

news flash, WE are the only ones enslaved.

heck I read the other day, some guy out in the country couldn’t even build a stock pond without the EPA threatening him with $20,000 a day fines.

Our government is out of control, and is actively pushing abortion and sodomy abroad. Face it, WE are now the evil empire and us conservatives are stuck behind enemy lines.


62 posted on 03/17/2014 12:48:40 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: meatloaf

well since 90%+ of the population of Crimea wants nothing to do with the rioters that took over Kiev... I imagine the only ones holding guns behind every blade of grass will be those in Crimea fighting for their freedom from the terrorists in Kiev.


63 posted on 03/17/2014 12:50:56 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: piytar

Nope, not once he is awakened from his long winter slumber.


64 posted on 03/17/2014 12:58:52 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed...)
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To: Husker24

Ukraine owes Russia a pile of money. Putin may very well say “pay up or give up”.


65 posted on 03/17/2014 1:05:43 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ctdonath2
Ukraine owes Russia a pile of money. Putin may very well say “pay up or give up”.

How long until China does the same to the US?

66 posted on 03/17/2014 1:07:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Strategy

Ukraine might want to consider the fate of Fort Sumter: a military presence in a seceded region.

Pulling out may suck mightily, but continued presence is just asking for trouble. Think carefully about whether trouble is desired...


67 posted on 03/17/2014 1:09:37 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

That 90%+ number by itself tells you the vote was bogus. The ballot had two choices, none of which was remaining in Ukraine. If you doubt the bogus vote look up the history of the Tatars and their percentage, 15%, of the population. Don’t forget to look up the percentage of ethnic Ukrainians who live in the Crimea. In a truly honest election my guess is it would have been 50/50. Of course in communist countries the elections usually are a sure thing. North Korea is an example. Dear Leader got 100% of the vote. I imagine every voter showed up for that election too.

Russia has been conducting an extensive propaganda effort leading up to the elctions strarting when the demonstrations got out of hand in their view. Part of that is aimed at convincing us we’re looking at another Iraq or Afghanistan. Ukraine’s could turn out to be another Afghanistan for the Russians.

I say we send the Ukrainians all the weapons left over from Ghadaffi and wish them luck. If our SEALS can interdict an oil tanker at the request of the Libyan government, I think we need a quid pro quo. Turn Ukraine into another Russian Afghanistan, Proxy wars work. We’ve BTDT. We don’t need to put boots on the ground to bleed the Russians.


68 posted on 03/17/2014 1:11:47 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Problem is: that 90% know choosing sovereign independence will be soon followed by voluntary annexation into a larger state.

I do assume any Texas Freeper understands this.


69 posted on 03/17/2014 1:12:22 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: meatloaf

NATO will fight Russia to the last Pole.


70 posted on 03/17/2014 1:14:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

China is not in a position to enforce the second part.
Russia can, in contrast, take total control of Ukraine in a matter of days (and practical control in hours).


71 posted on 03/17/2014 1:14:20 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ctdonath2
China is not in a position to enforce the second part.

Yet.

72 posted on 03/17/2014 1:14:43 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Strategy

Your call but you do it alone.


73 posted on 03/17/2014 1:16:17 PM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: dfwgator

Takes boots on the ground.
China can’t even get boots on the ground 40 miles away.
There’s a difference between vacating/vaporizing ground vs. occupying it.


74 posted on 03/17/2014 1:17:25 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ctdonath2

Will that be true in 20 years?


75 posted on 03/17/2014 1:18:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Red White and Blue patriot
Did you know he rides bears?

And great white sharks.


76 posted on 03/17/2014 1:29:44 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Strategy

Don’t know how many will follow the orders.

Many Ukrainian troops are confused on who is running the show .


77 posted on 03/17/2014 1:35:38 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
You do know that most of our supplies going to Afghanistan go through Russia now right?

Since we invaded Pakistan and killed Osama, that route isn't open any more.

Lets not start another land war in Asia till we find out a way to supply our guys currently there.

78 posted on 03/17/2014 1:38:39 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: meatloaf

funny, I see nothing but happy people in the streetsof Crimea celebrating the vote.

and I see nothing but thugs in Kiev who’ve occupied and burned down the city after deposing the Democratically elected government.

are you sure you are not the one being manipulated by propaganda?


79 posted on 03/17/2014 1:39:00 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: caveat emptor

DREAMY


80 posted on 03/17/2014 1:41:12 PM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Better dead than Red. Putin = Hitler 2014)
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