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Eyes on Crimea, China makes its move
Asia Times ^ | Mar 17, '14 | Donald K Emmerson

Posted on 03/17/2014 3:16:02 PM PDT by nickcarraway

While much of the world was busy watching Russia swallow Crimea, few realized that an also dangerous territorial tit-for-tat had begun to unfold earlier this month more than 5,000 miles away in the South China Sea.

At Second Thomas Shoal, a handful of Philippine marines have long been stationed and re-provisioned on the rusting deck of the BRP Sierra Madre, a Philippine naval ship half-sunk into the reef in 1999. Ever since, the vessel and the marines have served to embody Manila's claim of sovereignty over the shoal. More recently, China has tried to raise the salience of its own claim by intensively patrolling the area.

On March 9, 2014, China made a move to end the status quo at the shoal. For the first time in 15 years, Beijing stopped Manila from delivering supplies to the Sierra Madre. The Chinese Coast Guard forced two Philippine ships to turn away. Manila answered the blockade by successfully dropping food and water to the marines by air. It was then up to Manila whether to send in another supply ship or plane, and up to Beijing whether to leave it alone, chase it away, sink it, or shoot it down.

China claims that the Philippine ships were "loaded with construction materials" to build up Manila's position. Manila says the ships were merely trying to re-provision the marines "to improve the conditions there," not "to expand or build permanent structures on the shoal."

A dozen years ago China and the 10 states in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), including the Philippines, signed a "2002 Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea," or DoC. The signers undertook "to resolve their territorial and jurisdictional disputes by peaceful means, without resorting to the threat or use of force."

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoasia; bhorussia; china; crimea; putinsbuttboys; redchina; russia; surrendermonkeys; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko

1 posted on 03/17/2014 3:16:02 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

the US is weak and the bad guys know it


2 posted on 03/17/2014 3:25:50 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: nickcarraway

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/crimea_01.shtml 1853

The Crimean War, famed for the ‘Charge of the Light Brigade’, would fundamentally alter the balance of power in Europe and set the stage for World War One.


3 posted on 03/17/2014 3:30:40 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: nickcarraway

Taiwan, here we come.


4 posted on 03/17/2014 3:36:49 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: GeronL
Several House Republicans called today for a 15% across the board cut to DoD mechanics, nurses, engineers, etc. Almost half of the targeted employees in DoD are veterans. The Republicans helped give us Sequestration, which punishes the military with $650 Billion in cuts, on top of $487 Billion in cuts they also agreed to in 2012. We are in a worse position than in 1938. By then, FDR had gotten the message and was starting to massively re-arm America. Obama and the Republicans are doing exactly the opposite.
5 posted on 03/17/2014 3:39:52 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: nickcarraway

If the Pinoys want US help, they need to make a stand. That means inflicting casualties and losing men. Until that happens, I don’t see Uncle Sam jumping in - at least under Obama. Once the Chinese start killing Filipino troops in large numbers, public opinion will shift towards the PI. Before that happens, most Americans are gonna be pretty blase about bloodless land grabs half the world away, mutual defense pact or not.


6 posted on 03/17/2014 3:43:25 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: SkyPilot

how about cutting the bureaucracy instead?


7 posted on 03/17/2014 3:46:05 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: nickcarraway

This one is dangerous to american interests and Obama will fold. Taiwan and Japan will be next to be pushed around, certainly before the great Hussein is out.


8 posted on 03/17/2014 3:46:08 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: SkyPilot
The Republicans helped give us Sequestration, which punishes the military with $650 Billion in cuts, on top of $487 Billion in cuts they also agreed to in 2012. We are in a worse position than in 1938.

The US is spending 3% of GDP on defense, and that number is not only the largest in dollar terms - it is also almost 1/3 of the world's defense budgets combined. In 1938, it was spending 1% of GDP and was one of the lowest in the world in both absolute and relative terms.

9 posted on 03/17/2014 3:48:52 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: nickcarraway
It's healthy to have our military dependents treaty allies realize that, pact or no pact, American support is not guaranteed, so it would be wise for them to maintain independent military capabilities, not simply as a deterrent, but as a force that has to maintain their sovereignty if Uncle Sam unilaterally abrogates the defense pact.
10 posted on 03/17/2014 3:53:20 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: SkyPilot

What percentage of money the U.S. spends on defense is completely wasted?


11 posted on 03/17/2014 3:58:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Zhang Fei

Their weapons are cheaper and they will use theirs. So cost parity isn’t really much of an issue.


12 posted on 03/17/2014 4:01:45 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: nickcarraway

All that is needed now is a major distraction... like a big quake in California ... and both Russia and China will make their real moves.


13 posted on 03/17/2014 4:09:25 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: nickcarraway

His act of leaning over into the hot mic and MAKING LEAGUE with a dictator against the American people sent a VERRRRRY important message to all world baddies:

You know what they’re doing now? They’re simply RELYING on his bad behavior, making good on Obama’s own ILL WILL.

They’re TAKING HIM UP ON IT.

It’s pretty simple.


14 posted on 03/17/2014 4:14:42 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin
GIVE ME FLEXIBILITY:

An act seen by ALL the baddies in the world.

15 posted on 03/17/2014 4:17:47 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Bogey78O
Their weapons are cheaper and they will use theirs. So cost parity isn’t really much of an issue.

Actually, they're not significantly cheaper, due to development costs and lack of overseas sales (Iraq paid $46m apiece for F-16's vs Pakistan's $38m each for J-10's), and they've been pretty reluctant to use force. For instance, they paid Somali pirates $4m rather than attempt a rescue. So far, they've been big on symbolic shows of force but no actual force.

16 posted on 03/17/2014 4:24:14 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

It’s really not an issue of dollars, it is who can win on the ground, who has the will to fight and win.

And by not being overwhelmingly powerful, we invite a China or Russia to do something we thought they’d be afraid to try.

That’s why 3% isn’t enough, if it isn’t really enough in Taiwan, or Korea, or the South China Sea.


17 posted on 03/17/2014 5:28:52 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Zhang Fei
If the Pinoys want US help, they need to make a stand. That means inflicting casualties and losing men.

Yep, that'll do it. Kinda like in Benghazi.

18 posted on 03/17/2014 6:31:47 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Williams
It’s really not an issue of dollars, it is who can win on the ground, who has the will to fight and win.

What power can compete against our new gay and lesbian fighting force? (unless someone breaks a fingernail or something) It would be funny if not so tragic.

19 posted on 03/17/2014 6:38:49 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Colorado Doug
Yep, that'll do it. Kinda like in Benghazi.

Actually, that would be Misrata.

20 posted on 03/17/2014 7:07:18 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: nickcarraway

Ping to China on the Move.


21 posted on 03/18/2014 1:50:31 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Fred Nerks

Ping to China on the Move


22 posted on 03/18/2014 1:50:56 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: nickcarraway
By pulling America out from its role as a global power, Obama created a power vacuum. Nature abhors vacuums, and it is inevitable that opportunistic malefactors will rush in. Obama and even his wretched "foreign policy" team had to be able to foresee this, which means it was his intention to arrange for it to happen.
23 posted on 03/18/2014 8:57:20 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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