Shades of East/West Germany.
Posted on 03/18/2014 5:28:37 AM PDT by McGruff
Ukraine despatched tanks into the rolling terrain of the Donbas basin on Monday, putting its biggest guns back on the scene of the biggest armoured clash in history.
It was in this bleak but fertile landscape along what is now Ukraine's border with Russia that the Red Army routed Nazi Panzers to turn the course of the Second World War.
But as Ukraine's dilapidated tank units moved to muddy berms in the fields south of Donetsk city as part of face-saving mobilisation, the guns of T-64 and T-72 models were this time pointed towards Russia.
In responding to a reported Russian military build-up, however, Ukraine's military immediately ran into groups of activists who tried to obstruct their movements. In the village of Elenvola on the edge of the great plain, there was anger at the manoeuvres from their own countrymen.
"Russians and Ukrainians don't want to fight each other," said Ivan Inozemev, a prison warder. "We would be happy to be part of Russia if that's what happens."
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Ah yes, Western Ukraine, where the Poles were kicked out after the end of WWII.
“I have several college classmates that were A-10 pilots. I guess they are lying. Because they all told me about blowing up tanks.”
I wrote, “They weren’t all destroyed by air.”
Er... What part of that sentence ignores our awesome A-10 pilots? Jeez.
Can’t argue with your analysis. Spot on.
My Polish relatives seemed happy to fight over ANYTHING!
They are pilots.
They told me that anything that was blown up, was blown up by A-10s.
Pilots wouldn’t exaggerate would they?
[I mis read your statement, sorry.]
We spent 5 billion on this mess, funding and developing the Ukrainian EU crowd and their firebombs, ambassadors handing out donuts.
Coincidently, I just read that constructing a full size Great Pyramid replica would coast about 5 billion and take around 4 to 5 years using modern methods.
I seriously wish we would have built a Pyramid instead of funding the Ukraine EU Right Sector movement. Especially since we cant visit Egypt any more.
1. Commit their tanks to combat against the Russians. Th is, IMO, "stand and die"
2. Destroy the tanks in place, pull out their troops, fight an unconventional, asymmetric war.
3. Pull troops and armor back across the Ukraine. Trade land for time...see what develops.
That's really all there is. None are great..However, from, best to worst options, in order, it's last to first..
Depends where the basketball game is being played
Shades of East/West Germany.
4. Contribute to my modern Pyramid project? That would be the hippest choice,,
“The Ukraine we support may well be a fiction, invented by Soros, the EU, and a small minority in Lwow and its hinterlands who SHOULD be free of Russia.”
If Russia stops overnight its imports from Ukraine, its GDP drops 30%.
If Russia stops overnight delivering oil and natural gas to Ukraine - 67% of its energy, Ukraine wakes up in the dark with the whole economy at stand-still.
“Depends where the basketball game is being played”
Lol, so true.
I expect Putin any day now will point out that people here have petitions to split California into 4 states..
The border tanks are their second and third line models. They’re saving their best for maneuver warfare. They also have respectable SAMs and home-grown detection systems whose capability may be unfamiliar to the Russians.
Don’t let THAT get in the way of a fun new war. And certainly don’t think further, that it might be a reason that the Ukrainian president had that in mind when he decided not to sign the EU agreement and flush that part of his economy.
Again, they would figure out a way to resist.
Resist, OK...I’m down with that. God bless ‘em. But to die foolishly, for nothing..no way..
If they did they probably said, "damn, I wish we had some decent anti-tank weapons." We should have been sending them LAWs, TOWs and Javelins, in non-provocative numbers all along.
Now, we'd better start sending them this:
I don’t disagree, but they will figure out a way to resist tyranny.
I just hope it’s not us in 20 years.
Russian air power does not equate to US Air power. The Russians did very poorly in Chechnya where they fought much more lightly armed troops. Some ZSU 24’s and Grail rockets will keep the Frogfoots at bay.
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